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The "not true Windows-To-Go" trick ... it seems to be a bit of a roundabout way of doing things.

@NavyLCDR said he wanted to do some checking/experimenting, I'm curious what he found.

Making two or three OS-backups ... If one fails , the other will succeed.

Yeah, in a classroom setting, there is a distinct possibility that one or more students fail to restore. That's the reason why I suggested to restore to an external SSD, as there would be no damage done if there is a failure to restore, just try again. If you restore back to the computer and it fails, then you may have a repair job to do instead of just try again.
 

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I did it! I did it! I did it! I did it! I did it!

I put Windows 10 on an external drive and booted from it!

I used Win to USB, though. I'm still going to work on getting vhd or vhdx.

It was a huge chore and I will need to do it a few more times before I can write the tutorial. But I now know I can do it.

I'm also going to put Win to Go on a 64 GB Flash Drive and see how that works.

I tried to put Win to Go on an external but Rufus wouldn't cooperate.
 

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WinToUSB is a nice tool but only free for Home. Have you done a Reflect restore yet as well?
 

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I would be very interested in a method of making a bootable clone on an external SSD, especially if it succeeds every time and can be made quickly. If it takes only 10 minutes, I would probably make a bootable clone every week, if it takes an hour or more, well, back to images.
 

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WinToUSB is a nice tool but only free for Home. Have you done a Reflect restore yet as well?
Exactly, @cereberus! So far, I'm testing, and found one thing I couldn't do. I don't remember right now what it was, but I'll find out when I have my "do it again" session. :)

No, I haven't tried Reflect Restore yet. I want to be sure of the bootable USB drive, be it a 64 GB Flash Drive or an external drive. Once I get that down, I'll do the restore.

At this point, I'm wondering if I can restore to a 64 GB Flash Drive.
 

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I would be very interested in a method of making a bootable clone on an external SSD, especially if it succeeds every time and can be made quickly. If it takes only 10 minutes, I would probably make a bootable clone every week, if it takes an hour or more, well, back to images.
Sorry to disappoint you @Haydon, but this solution is slower than molasses in January. It's so slow I threatened to take my genealogy teacher's class time for this task! That would give us 3 hours. Thing is, our Internet at the Sr. Center is also slower than molasses in January. It took forever and three days to download the ISO on my 100 mbps Internet connection. :(

All of that said, for us, the end result is just to test to see if we can restore our Macrium Reflect backup to the external hard drive or flash drive. So, for our purposes, speed isn't the object. Sure would be nice, though!
 

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Exactly, @cereberus! So far, I'm testing, and found one thing I couldn't do. I don't remember right now what it was, but I'll find out when I have my "do it again" session. :)

No, I haven't tried Reflect Restore yet. I want to be sure of the bootable USB drive, be it a 64 GB Flash Drive or an external drive. Once I get that down, I'll do the restore.

At this point, I'm wondering if I can restore to a 64 GB Flash Drive.
Sure, but make sure it is a fast usb3 flash drive but many only read/write at about 40 MB/s. Even an old spinner in a usb3 caddy will out perform that at something like 80-100 MB/s.

I have a San Cruzer Extreme that read/writes at around 100 MB/s but not actually much faster than an HDD. There are faster ones now but tbh, they are expensive (£40 for 128 GB) in "bangs per buck" compared with an SSD (4xcost per GB).

I bought a cheap 250 ssd (£25), and put that in a caddy - that read/writes much faster at 500 MB/s.

I also have a 1 TB NVME drive in a caddy - that blitzes along at 1 GB/s!

My advice (if money is not a major issue) is by a modest capacity SSD (say 250 GB) and install in a cheap USB3 caddy (say £5). The really fast usb flash drives are way over priced in £/GB. Only advantage over SSD is portability.

Of course US prices may be quite different (always cheaper).
 

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Sure, but make sure it is a fast usb3 flash drive but many only read/write at about 40 MB/s. Even an old spinner in a usb3 caddy will out perform that at something like 80-100 MB/s.

I have a San Cruzer Extreme that read/writes at around 100 MB/s but not actually much faster than an HDD. There are faster ones now but tbh, they are expensive (£40 for 128 GB) in "bangs per buck" compared with an SSD (4xcost per GB).

I bought a cheap 250 ssd (£25), and put that in a caddy - that read/writes much faster at 500 MB/s.

I also have a 1 TB NVME drive in a caddy - that blitzes along at 1 GB/s!

My advice (if money is not a major issue) is by a modest capacity SSD (say 250 GB) and install in a cheap USB3 caddy (say £5). The really fast usb flash drives are way over priced in £/GB. Only advantage over SSD is portability.

Of course US prices may be quite different (always cheaper).
Good info, @cereberus.

I forgot to mention that my 64 GB Flash Drive is USB 3. And yep, an external SSD drive is way out of our price range. :(
 

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Good info, @cereberus.

I forgot to mention that my 64 GB Flash Drive is USB 3. And yep, an external SSD drive is way out of our price range. :(
Regrettably most general purpose usb3 flash drives are not much faster than usb2 drives. The fast ones are very expensive. You will probably find an old spinner in an hdd out performs many (most of normal general purpose range) usb3 flash drives!

In my experience, usb flash drives are too slow unless you buy a really fast one. Having said that, slow this year = fast a couple of years or so ago - it is all relative.
 

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Regrettably most general purpose usb3 flash drives are not much faster than usb2 drives. The fast ones are very expensive. You will probably find an old spinner in an hdd out performs many (most of normal general purpose range) usb3 flash drives!

In my experience, usb flash drives are too slow unless you buy a really fast one. Having said that, slow this year = fast a couple of years or so ago - it is all relative.
I don´t agree. For example, a 64 GB Samsung Bar Plus, identified as "USB 3.1", costs $12. Definitely very much faster than a USB 2.0 UFD.
 

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Regrettably most general purpose usb3 flash drives are not much faster than usb2 drives. The fast ones are very expensive. You will probably find an old spinner in an hdd out performs many (most of normal general purpose range) usb3 flash drives!

In my experience, usb flash drives are too slow unless you buy a really fast one. Having said that, slow this year = fast a couple of years or so ago - it is all relative.
Well, phooey!

But still, speed won't be our objective, although it would be nice.

And, I can get three PNY 64 GB for $22.00, but I'm not sure about that yet. I'll have to test the one I have to be sure of the speed. It can't be so low as to be non-productive.
 

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I don´t agree. For example, a 64 GB Samsung Bar Plus, identified as "USB 3.1", costs $12. Definitely very much faster than a USB 2.0 UFD.
But will it be faster than an external hard drive?

I will be testing this shortly to see just how fast/slow it will be.
 

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I don´t agree. For example, a 64 GB Samsung Bar Plus, identified as "USB 3.1", costs $12. Definitely very much faster than a USB 2.0 UFD.
But still slow compared with really decent usb3 drives I bet.

I have usb3 drives that do 40 MB/s but older usb 2 drives could do 30 MB/s.

It is all relative.
 

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Sorry to disappoint you @Haydon, but this solution is slower than molasses in January. It's so slow I threatened to take my genealogy teacher's class time for this task! That would give us 3 hours. Thing is, our Internet at the Sr. Center is also slower than molasses in January. It took forever and three days to download the ISO on my 100 mbps Internet connection. :(

All of that said, for us, the end result is just to test to see if we can restore our Macrium Reflect backup to the external hard drive or flash drive. So, for our purposes, speed isn't the object. Sure would be nice, though!

Sorry to disappoint you @Haydon, but this solution is slower than molasses in January. It's so slow I threatened to take my genealogy teacher's class time for this task! That would give us 3 hours. Thing is, our Internet at the Sr. Center is also slower than molasses in January. It took forever and three days to download the ISO on my 100 mbps Internet connection. :(

All of that said, for us, the end result is just to test to see if we can restore our Macrium Reflect backup to the external hard drive or flash drive. So, for our purposes, speed isn't the object. Sure would be nice, though!
Why are you doing all of this, when would the students need to do this ?

Would it not be more important to teach them how to stay safe online, not get scammed or not click on everything ?
 

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Why are you doing all of this, when would the students need to do this ?

Would it not be more important to teach them how to stay safe online, not get scammed or not click on everything ?
Hi, Bob.

They will be doing this . . .

But first I need to be able to do this in my sleep once I decide on which method we'll use; external hard drive or flash drive.

Once that's accomplished I can write a tutorial for them. Each student gets a physical copy of the tutorial and we will go over the exact steps necessary in class.

IOW, I'll be doing the "show and tell" on the classroom computer and our 40" TV screen. The students will follow along step by step.

Teach gotta know the subject backward and forward in order to get the lesson across to the students.
 

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Why are you doing all of this, when would the students need to do this ?

Would it not be more important to teach them how to stay safe online, not get scammed or not click on everything ?

And what makes you think @Wynona does not teach that - that is probably Day 1 lessons!
 

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Why are you doing all of this, when would the students need to do this ?

Would it not be more important to teach them how to stay safe online, not get scammed or not click on everything ?
Oops, sorry to skip your second question . . . Guess I'm blind as a bat . . .

We've been at this for a long, long time, and covered online safety in the first few lessons. Further, I reinforce the importance of online safety every time we go online for something.

We may download Win to USB at some point . . . I will reinforce online safety by explaining that we should only download from the official site, rather than from an unknown site. And, we will have TotalVirus scan our downloads.

So, yeah, they're very cognizant of what not to do when online.
 

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All of that said, for us, the end result is just to test to see if we can restore our Macrium Reflect backup to the external hard drive or flash drive. So, for our purposes, speed isn't the object. Sure would be nice, though!
Restoring the MR backup to the external hard drive or flash drive can definitely be done in a 1 hour class. But I thought you wanted a bootable external medium? Making and verifying that could take (much) longer than an hour, I think.
 

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Restoring the MR backup to the external hard drive or flash drive can definitely be done in a 1 hour class. But I thought you wanted a bootable external medium? Making and verifying that could take (much) longer than an hour, I think.
Takes about 15 minutes using WintoUSB.
 

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Takes about 15 minutes using WintoUSB.
Well, in the context of this thread, it is not just making the bootable external medium. It is also restoring to that bootable external medium, then verifying it > turn off secure boot > change boot order > boot from the external medium that now contains OS, apps, user data > visit a website or something to demo that the 'new' machine works > change boot order back > turn on secure boot > show that the 'old' machine is back. Can it all be done in 1 hour? Possibly, but I have my doubts.
 

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