More speculation: Is 32-bit Windows dead?


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If I'm not mistaken, I think that OEMs can no longer get 32-bit Windows for new systems, but it was still available for customers to install on existing older systems.

I wonder if Microsoft will finally kill off 32-bit Windows with Win 11.

Some people might hate me for saying this, but personally, I would love to see them dump 32-bit Windows.
 

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Yes, MS have stated that they will no longer supply x86 Windows to OEMs as RTM, only x64. They have also stated that they will continue to provide x86 media for Windows 10 for home users.

Will Windows 11 only be x64? No one knows, but it seems plausible. My little netbook with a maximum RAM capability of 2GB is going to be very upset if that's the case, it's quite happy at the moment running x86 21H1. It really struggles to support x64 :(
 

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    Windows 11 Home
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    Acer Aspire 3 A315-23
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    fully 'Windows 11 ready' laptop. Windows 10 C: partition migrated from my old unsupported 'main machine' then upgraded to 11. A test migration ran Insider builds for 2 months. When 11 was released on 5th October it was re-imaged back to 10 and was offered the upgrade in Windows Update on 20th October. Windows Update offered the 22H2 Feature Update on 20th September 2022. It got the 23H2 Feature Update on 4th November 2023 through Windows Update.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro (and all my Hyper-V VMs).

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 4GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Beta as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 4GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus the Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds as a native boot .vhdx.
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    unsupported machine: Legacy bios, MBR, TPM 1.2, upgraded from W10 to W11 using W10/W11 hybrid install media workaround. In-place upgrade to 22H2 using ISO and a workaround. Feature Update to 23H2 by manually installing the Enablement Package.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro (and all my Hyper-V VMs).

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 4GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Beta as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 4GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus the Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds as a native boot .vhdx.
It's a natural progression that technology moves on, the processors driving our home computers since the early 1980's have progressed tremendously - and they will continue to do so - 128 Bit, 256 Bit, and so so on so it does not make sense to make software for obsolete hardware for ever.

Of course there are still those who like to keep the history alive though this is not always cheap to do

 

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There's no one will know this.. Except Windows 11 Devs (maybe?)

Microsoft get rid of 32-bit install on OEMs, and it is available for home users.

I have an PC running Pro 64-bit, so if I upgraded my PC, or say 32-bit will be unavailable.
 

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Hi there
Time it's gone.

I'm sure very few people would lament the passing of the 32 bit system.-- no point on continuing to develop systems for these old archaic architectures. People still have > 5 years to continue to use 32 bit systems on W10 and of course Virtual Machines can run these things until the "End of the Universe".

I'm surprised why it's taken so long for next gen of 128 bit chips to appear -- everybody knows that you can't keep improving performance by increasing the number of processors on a board -- 16 CPU's working as an MP aren't as efficient as 16 single processors -- there comes a point that the overhead in the OS in managing these multi-processors to work in tandem takes a signficant part of the OS overhead.

Cheers
jimbo
 

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I'm asking this only because I don't know the answer:

Would going to 128-bit actually improve performance? I had thought that going to a higher number of bits simply allowed you to address more memory space. With a 32-bit CPU you can address only 4GB of space. With 64-bit addressing you can already address (in theory) 16.8 million terrabytes.

So would 128-bit actually also provide a performance boost?
 

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    Win11 Pro 23H2
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    Home Built
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    Intel i7-11700K
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    ASUS Prime Z590-A
    Memory
    128GB Crucial Ballistix 3200MHz DRAM
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    No GPU - CPU graphics only (for now)
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    Realtek (on motherboard)
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    HP Envy 32
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    2560 x 1440
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    1 x 1TB NVMe Gen 4 x 4 SSD
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    Corsair HX850i
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    CODE backlit mechanical keyboard
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    Win11 Pro 23H2
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    Lenovo ThinkBook 13x Gen 2
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    Intel i7-1255U
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    16 GB
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    Intel Iris Xe Graphics
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    Realtek® ALC3306-CG codec
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    13.3-inch IPS Display
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    2 TB 4 x 4 NVMe SSD
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    USB-C / Thunderbolt 4 Power / Charging
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    Buttonless Glass Precision Touchpad
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    Backlit, spill resistant keyboard
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    WiFi 6e / Bluetooth 5.1 / Facial Recognition / Fingerprint Sensor / ToF (Time of Flight) Human Presence Sensor
Hi there
Time it's gone.

I'm sure very few people would lament the passing of the 32 bit system.-- no point on continuing to develop systems for these old archaic architectures. People still have > 5 years to continue to use 32 bit systems on W10 and of course Virtual Machines can run these things until the "End of the Universe".

I'm surprised why it's taken so long for next gen of 128 bit chips to appear -- everybody knows that you can't keep improving performance by increasing the number of processors on a board -- 16 CPU's working as an MP aren't as efficient as 16 single processors -- there comes a point that the overhead in the OS in managing these multi-processors to work in tandem takes a signficant part of the OS overhead.

Cheers
jimbo

Technically, just over 4 years - 14 Oct 2025. Windows 10 Home and Pro - Microsoft Lifecycle

But yes, people can (and will) still hold out on them even after that date - just because.

I'm asking this only because I don't know the answer:

Would going to 128-bit actually improve performance? I had thought that going to a higher number of bits simply allowed you to address more memory space. With a 32-bit CPU you can address only 4GB of space. With 64-bit addressing you can already address (in theory) 16.8 million terrabytes.

So would 128-bit actually also provide a performance boost?

I think it would depend upon the hardware also. A larger bus width could lead to so many different benefits overall, as well as challenges. Power consumption, larger and / or more dynamic caching, virtualization and multi-threading / SMT, so many different things that may be in the pipeline with the next jump.

I've actually not read an article about the next jump recently, I think I need to go do some research.
 

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    MSI MEG X570 GODLIKE
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Good points, all. Thanks, John!
 

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    Win11 Pro 23H2
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    Intel i7-11700K
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    ASUS Prime Z590-A
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    128GB Crucial Ballistix 3200MHz DRAM
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    HP Envy 32
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    2560 x 1440
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    1 x 1TB NVMe Gen 4 x 4 SSD
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    Corsair HX850i
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    Noctua NH-D15 chromax.black cooler + 10 case fans
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    CODE backlit mechanical keyboard
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    Intel i7-1255U
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    Realtek® ALC3306-CG codec
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    Buttonless Glass Precision Touchpad
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    Backlit, spill resistant keyboard
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    1Gb Up / 1Gb Down
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    WiFi 6e / Bluetooth 5.1 / Facial Recognition / Fingerprint Sensor / ToF (Time of Flight) Human Presence Sensor
Good A.I and totally immersive V.R systems and "human type" Robotics requires an enormous amount of processing power and fast (almost instantaneous) memory plus many concurrent CPU threads to work. To do a lot of these on current 64 MP systems satisfactorily just won't hack it - apart from the memory limitations the number of multi processor systems required would just overwhelm the OS in just managing the processors. Note gaming can be a good visual experience but I'm thinking of a different order of magnitude here --think of something like Startrek's Holodeck. - Or an interesting example was right at the start of that TV series Alex-rider episode Point Blanc "Stormbreaker" when a Russian Hacker rigged up a VR projector so when the Boss of the company opened the lift (elevator - US) door it looked normal even though in reality there was just the shaft and the boss fell through the shaft.

This is where the next stage of development will come from - and of course the video processors themselves will need to be of a different order of magnitude to even the best today on PC's. Genuine Holographic experience too requires inordinate amounts of processing power.

Hollywood is often at the forefront of the ideas even though the actual hardware required could take many years to become reality.

Cheers
jimbo
 
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    2 X Intel i7
Answer: Yes. Requires a 64-Bit Processor.
 

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    Windows 11 RP 22631
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    PC/Desktop
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    N/A
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    AMD Ryzen 5 5600
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    ASUS B450M-GAMING/BR
    Memory
    2x16GB DDR4-3200 CL16
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    MSI RTX 3060 12GB
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    Realtek HDA
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    LG 24MK400, LG 24GN600
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    1920x1080 + 1920x1080
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    Kingston A400 960GB
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    SanDisk SSDNow 480GB
    Western Digital SN750 500GB
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    Corsair CX750M
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    Cougar Archon 5MM5
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    2x 120mm
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    Sharkoon SGK3 Kailh Blue
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    Logitech G305
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    500/500 (FTTH)
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    Windows Defender
not just any 64bit CPU - one that is at least dual-core as noted here.
TBH, that should have been a requirement for Win10. Have you ever tried running W10 on a single core processor? I have - swimming in treacle comes to mind.....
 

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  • OS
    Windows 11 Home
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    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Aspire 3 A315-23
    CPU
    AMD Athlon Silver 3050U
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Radeon Graphics
    Monitor(s) Displays
    laptop screen
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768 native resolution, up to 2560x1440 with Radeon Virtual Super Resolution
    Hard Drives
    1TB Samsung EVO 870 SSD
    Internet Speed
    50 Mbps
    Browser
    Edge, Firefox
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    Defender
    Other Info
    fully 'Windows 11 ready' laptop. Windows 10 C: partition migrated from my old unsupported 'main machine' then upgraded to 11. A test migration ran Insider builds for 2 months. When 11 was released on 5th October it was re-imaged back to 10 and was offered the upgrade in Windows Update on 20th October. Windows Update offered the 22H2 Feature Update on 20th September 2022. It got the 23H2 Feature Update on 4th November 2023 through Windows Update.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro (and all my Hyper-V VMs).

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 4GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Beta as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 4GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus the Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds as a native boot .vhdx.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
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    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Lattitude E4310
    CPU
    Intel® Core™ i5-520M
    Motherboard
    0T6M8G
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics card(s)
    (integrated graphics) Intel HD Graphics
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768
    Hard Drives
    500GB Crucial MX500 SSD
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    unsupported machine: Legacy bios, MBR, TPM 1.2, upgraded from W10 to W11 using W10/W11 hybrid install media workaround. In-place upgrade to 22H2 using ISO and a workaround. Feature Update to 23H2 by manually installing the Enablement Package.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro (and all my Hyper-V VMs).

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 4GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Beta as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 4GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus the Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds as a native boot .vhdx.
Nope. Thankfully.

My Core i7 965 EE was slow - but it had 4 cores and HT enabled, so it could move slightly faster than molasses down a hill.
 

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  • OS
    Windows 11 23H2 Current build
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HomeBrew
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 9 3950X
    Motherboard
    MSI MEG X570 GODLIKE
    Memory
    4 * 32 GB - Corsair Vengeance 3600 MHz
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 Ti XC3 ULTRA GAMING (12G-P5-3955-KR)
    Sound Card
    Realtek® ALC1220 Codec
    Monitor(s) Displays
    2x Eve Spectrum ES07D03 4K Gaming Monitor (Matte) | Eve Spectrum ES07DC9 4K Gaming Monitor (Glossy)
    Screen Resolution
    3x 3840 x 2160
    Hard Drives
    3x Samsung 980 Pro NVMe PCIe 4 M.2 2 TB SSD (MZ-V8P2T0B/AM) } 3x Sabrent Rocket NVMe 4.0 1 TB SSD (USB)
    PSU
    PC Power & Cooling’s Silencer Series 1050 Watt, 80 Plus Platinum
    Case
    Fractal Design Define 7 XL Dark ATX Full Tower Case
    Cooling
    NZXT KRAKEN Z73 73.11 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (3x 120 mm push top) + Air 3x 140mm case fans (pull front) + 1x 120 mm (push back) and 1 x 120 mm (pull bottom)
    Keyboard
    SteelSeries Apex Pro Wired Gaming Keyboard
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master 3S | MX Master 3 for Business
    Internet Speed
    AT&T LightSpeed Gigabit Duplex Ftth
    Browser
    Nightly (default) + Firefox (stable), Chrome, Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender + MB 5 Beta
  • Operating System
    ChromeOS Flex Dev Channel (current)
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Latitude E5470
    CPU
    Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-6300U CPU @ 2.40GHz, 2501 Mhz, 2 Core(s), 4 Logical Processor(s)
    Motherboard
    Dell
    Memory
    16 GB
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel(R) HD Graphics 520
    Sound Card
    Intel(R) HD Graphics 520 + RealTek Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Dell laptop display 15"
    Screen Resolution
    1920 * 1080
    Hard Drives
    Toshiba 128GB M.2 22300 drive
    INTEL Cherryville 520 Series SSDSC2CW180A 180 GB SATA III SSD
    PSU
    Dell
    Case
    Dell
    Cooling
    Dell
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master 3S (shared w. Sys 1) | Dell TouchPad
    Keyboard
    Dell
    Internet Speed
    AT&T LightSpeed Gigabit Duplex Ftth
Nope. Thankfully.

My Core i7 965 EE was slow - but it had 4 cores and HT enabled, so it could move slightly faster than molasses down a hill.
I have one of those chips and it felt fine, with a GeForce GTX 970, when playing Halo Custom Edition 1.0.10. Runs well with Windows 7.
Even when not as fast as a Matisse. Bloomfield sucks power when OC'ed, even when that probably varies with batch, but I can imagine a Core i7 920 OC'ed to 4.1 using 260W+ for the CPU chip alone! And this was rough data I saw, and I haven't even tried to raise the core multi yet for the 965! LOL!

But after disable C1E and EIST, it seemed snappy! The Bloomfields sure seem to lag with the "green features" enabled!

Mine felt fast in 2019. In fact, it looked like the video card was the bottleneck! I upgraded from a GTX 960 to a GTX 970 in 2019. (both Maxwell)

At least most of Asus' P6Ts are incompatible with the XFX Radeon RX 580, I discovered in 2019 by accident.

I had a mea culpa in 2019, because I assumed the Asus P6T Deluxe was faulty, when it wasn't and got an Asus P6T6 WS Revolution and then got brand new RAM-related BSOD codes!
(BAD_POOL_HEADER and PAGE_FAULT_IN_NON_PAGED_AREA when installing Windows 7)
Looked like I possibly have bad black RAM slots, but thankfully, looks like the usual RAM slots are fine. No such BSODs with the original 6 GB of triple-channel. And in December, 2020, I got a 12 GB triple-channel kit and still didn't get RAM-related BSODs when installing and updating Windows 7.
 
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System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro x64 23H2
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    Ryzen 9 5900X
    Motherboard
    ASRock B550 PG Velocita (UEFI-BIOS P3.40)
    Memory
    32 GB G.Skill F4-3200C16D-32GVR
    Graphics Card(s)
    Sapphire Nitro+ Radeon RX 6750 XT
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Alienware AW3423DWF OLED ultrawide
    Hard Drives
    Western Digital Black SN850 1 TB NVMe SSD
    PSU
    eVGA Supernova 750 G3
    Case
    Corsair 275R
    Internet Speed
    VTel FTTH 1 Gb down and 1 Gb up
  • Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    Ryzen 7 5800X3D
    Motherboard
    Asus ROG Strix B550-F Gaming (UEFI-BIOS version 3405, which fixes " LogoFail" bug according to Asus)
    Memory
    16 GB
    Graphics card(s)
    Sparkle Titan Arc A770 16 GB
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 970 Pro 512 GB NVMe SSD
    PSU
    eVGA Supernova 650 GQ
    Case
    Fractal Focus G
I got decent OC on my Bloomfield. I used the dummy OC in the mobo, giving me a boost to 3.6 GHz stable, but anything I tried over that and it would eventually fail miserably.

I was also one of the lucky ones in that my X58 mobo didn't go all stupid when installing OSs with all three DIMMs in place (except one very particular distro of Linux - I forget which, Wasn't Gentoo, wasn't Sabayon, ... maybe uBuntu?)

And yah - all of the power saving features were turned off on mine too. I originally bought an H60 CPU cooler, and replaced that with the H100 - never had an issue with keeping it reasonably cool.

I originally started with a pair of GTX 260s, then upgraded to the 560 TI 448 Core (and left one of hte 260s in as a PhysX dedicated card), then dropped the 260, made the 560 the dedicated PhysX card when I got the 970. I've since dropped the 560 because nVidia stopped supporting it and in order to use newer drivers I couldn't have that installed.

I never, ever understood, though, why an unlocked CPU even had power saving settings in the first place. That always blew my mind. I mean, it's unlocked - so you'd think that someone was gonna OC it.....at $990 retail at launch, what's the point of power savings? lol....

That 970 came to the new rig (along with the 960 MB SSD I now use exclusively for music storage). And the 1080p monitors.

Everything else is new. And I felt it immediately the first day I installed Windows on this rig.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 23H2 Current build
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HomeBrew
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 9 3950X
    Motherboard
    MSI MEG X570 GODLIKE
    Memory
    4 * 32 GB - Corsair Vengeance 3600 MHz
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 Ti XC3 ULTRA GAMING (12G-P5-3955-KR)
    Sound Card
    Realtek® ALC1220 Codec
    Monitor(s) Displays
    2x Eve Spectrum ES07D03 4K Gaming Monitor (Matte) | Eve Spectrum ES07DC9 4K Gaming Monitor (Glossy)
    Screen Resolution
    3x 3840 x 2160
    Hard Drives
    3x Samsung 980 Pro NVMe PCIe 4 M.2 2 TB SSD (MZ-V8P2T0B/AM) } 3x Sabrent Rocket NVMe 4.0 1 TB SSD (USB)
    PSU
    PC Power & Cooling’s Silencer Series 1050 Watt, 80 Plus Platinum
    Case
    Fractal Design Define 7 XL Dark ATX Full Tower Case
    Cooling
    NZXT KRAKEN Z73 73.11 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (3x 120 mm push top) + Air 3x 140mm case fans (pull front) + 1x 120 mm (push back) and 1 x 120 mm (pull bottom)
    Keyboard
    SteelSeries Apex Pro Wired Gaming Keyboard
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master 3S | MX Master 3 for Business
    Internet Speed
    AT&T LightSpeed Gigabit Duplex Ftth
    Browser
    Nightly (default) + Firefox (stable), Chrome, Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender + MB 5 Beta
  • Operating System
    ChromeOS Flex Dev Channel (current)
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Latitude E5470
    CPU
    Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-6300U CPU @ 2.40GHz, 2501 Mhz, 2 Core(s), 4 Logical Processor(s)
    Motherboard
    Dell
    Memory
    16 GB
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel(R) HD Graphics 520
    Sound Card
    Intel(R) HD Graphics 520 + RealTek Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Dell laptop display 15"
    Screen Resolution
    1920 * 1080
    Hard Drives
    Toshiba 128GB M.2 22300 drive
    INTEL Cherryville 520 Series SSDSC2CW180A 180 GB SATA III SSD
    PSU
    Dell
    Case
    Dell
    Cooling
    Dell
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master 3S (shared w. Sys 1) | Dell TouchPad
    Keyboard
    Dell
    Internet Speed
    AT&T LightSpeed Gigabit Duplex Ftth
I got decent OC on my Bloomfield. I used the dummy OC in the mobo, giving me a boost to 3.6 GHz stable, but anything I tried over that and it would eventually fail miserably.

I was also one of the lucky ones in that my X58 mobo didn't go all stupid when installing OSs with all three DIMMs in place (except one very particular distro of Linux - I forget which, Wasn't Gentoo, wasn't Sabayon, ... maybe uBuntu?)

And yah - all of the power saving features were turned off on mine too. I originally bought an H60 CPU cooler, and replaced that with the H100 - never had an issue with keeping it reasonably cool.

I originally started with a pair of GTX 260s, then upgraded to the 560 TI 448 Core (and left one of hte 260s in as a PhysX dedicated card), then dropped the 260, made the 560 the dedicated PhysX card when I got the 970. I've since dropped the 560 because nVidia stopped supporting it and in order to use newer drivers I couldn't have that installed.

I never, ever understood, though, why an unlocked CPU even had power saving settings in the first place. That always blew my mind. I mean, it's unlocked - so you'd think that someone was gonna OC it.....at $990 retail at launch, what's the point of power savings? lol....

That 970 came to the new rig (along with the 960 MB SSD I now use exclusively for music storage). And the 1080p monitors.

Everything else is new. And I felt it immediately the first day I installed Windows on this rig.
Hi there
Of course one should have "Safety Features" if you know what you are doing and want to take the risk and avoid using them but people (even experienced ones) can make mistakes - and on expensive gear - you don't want to blow it by accident.

Would you get on a plane if the Pilot said to you - your journey time will be cut by half but we've disabled all the safety features and equipment on board this aircraft to make this possible. !!!

Cheers
jimbo
 

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    Windows XP,7,10,11 Linux Arch Linux
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    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    2 X Intel i7
Hi there
Time it's gone.

I'm sure very few people would lament the passing of the 32 bit system.-- no point on continuing to develop systems for these old archaic architectures. People still have > 5 years to continue to use 32 bit systems on W10 and of course Virtual Machines can run these things until the "End of the Universe".

I'm surprised why it's taken so long for next gen of 128 bit chips to appear -- everybody knows that you can't keep improving performance by increasing the number of processors on a board -- 16 CPU's working as an MP aren't as efficient as 16 single processors -- there comes a point that the overhead in the OS in managing these multi-processors to work in tandem takes a signficant part of the OS overhead.

Cheers
jimbo
There is no rationale, yet, for 128 bit processors. The only real-world use is for 128-bit buses for GPUs to pass graphics data, and 128-bit registers to store (concurrent, lower-bit) integers for parallel processing. 128-bit processors have been possible for over 40 years, but the precision this technology offers is currently unnecessary, even for the most processor intensive processes. When a use for them becomes mainstream, the 128-bit processor (and 128-bit system-optimized compilers and languages) no doubt will also be available for all, but until then, 64-bit remains plenty. Apart from utilizing memory over 4 GB, 32-bit processors can still handle most current requirements, but it is simplest to standardize on 64-bit, making larger memory devices cheaper and future-proofed.

It's a bit like miniaturization, only worth continuing with while it is usable. Sure, we could build cell-phone technology into earbuds, but the battery life before needing to recharge would be a disadvantage, as would having to carry a touch screen around for any visual information exchange required.
 

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System One

  • OS
    Windows 11, update 21H2 29/06/2021 10.0.22000.51
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Apple iMac9,1
    CPU
    Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo E8435 @ 3.06GHz
    Motherboard
    Apple Inc. Mac-F2218FA9
    Memory
    8 GB DDR3
    Graphics Card(s)
    Nvidia GForce GT 130
    Sound Card
    Realtek HD audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Imac 2009 23"
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1200
    Hard Drives
    WDC WD1001FALS-40K1B0 SATA 1TB
    PSU
    Apple
    Case
    Aluminium (or is it Aluminum?)
    Cooling
    Fan
    Keyboard
    USB UK extended generic
    Mouse
    Novatech USB wheel optical mouse
    Internet Speed
    51.4 down 16.7 up ethernet
    Browser
    Chrome
    Antivirus
    MS Defender
    Other Info
    obtained secondhand from CEX 2018 £140
I remember seeing a video about what the path to 128-bit would entail, and there was a lot of talk about just how much more work would be needed to assure the data integrity / precision remained viable for a 128 bit CPU, IIRC. I'll try to see if I can find it again.
 

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  • OS
    Windows 11 23H2 Current build
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HomeBrew
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 9 3950X
    Motherboard
    MSI MEG X570 GODLIKE
    Memory
    4 * 32 GB - Corsair Vengeance 3600 MHz
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 Ti XC3 ULTRA GAMING (12G-P5-3955-KR)
    Sound Card
    Realtek® ALC1220 Codec
    Monitor(s) Displays
    2x Eve Spectrum ES07D03 4K Gaming Monitor (Matte) | Eve Spectrum ES07DC9 4K Gaming Monitor (Glossy)
    Screen Resolution
    3x 3840 x 2160
    Hard Drives
    3x Samsung 980 Pro NVMe PCIe 4 M.2 2 TB SSD (MZ-V8P2T0B/AM) } 3x Sabrent Rocket NVMe 4.0 1 TB SSD (USB)
    PSU
    PC Power & Cooling’s Silencer Series 1050 Watt, 80 Plus Platinum
    Case
    Fractal Design Define 7 XL Dark ATX Full Tower Case
    Cooling
    NZXT KRAKEN Z73 73.11 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (3x 120 mm push top) + Air 3x 140mm case fans (pull front) + 1x 120 mm (push back) and 1 x 120 mm (pull bottom)
    Keyboard
    SteelSeries Apex Pro Wired Gaming Keyboard
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master 3S | MX Master 3 for Business
    Internet Speed
    AT&T LightSpeed Gigabit Duplex Ftth
    Browser
    Nightly (default) + Firefox (stable), Chrome, Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender + MB 5 Beta
  • Operating System
    ChromeOS Flex Dev Channel (current)
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Latitude E5470
    CPU
    Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-6300U CPU @ 2.40GHz, 2501 Mhz, 2 Core(s), 4 Logical Processor(s)
    Motherboard
    Dell
    Memory
    16 GB
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel(R) HD Graphics 520
    Sound Card
    Intel(R) HD Graphics 520 + RealTek Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Dell laptop display 15"
    Screen Resolution
    1920 * 1080
    Hard Drives
    Toshiba 128GB M.2 22300 drive
    INTEL Cherryville 520 Series SSDSC2CW180A 180 GB SATA III SSD
    PSU
    Dell
    Case
    Dell
    Cooling
    Dell
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master 3S (shared w. Sys 1) | Dell TouchPad
    Keyboard
    Dell
    Internet Speed
    AT&T LightSpeed Gigabit Duplex Ftth
not just any 64bit CPU - one that is at least dual-core as noted here.
Interesting note though. If you go off the plain specs they leave there, my old Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 has double the min spec to run the OS. They need to specify the difference between the ARM, Intel, and AMD specs if they're going to drill down the chipsets the way they are in the hardware support listing.
 

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  • OS
    Windows 11
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    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom
    CPU
    Ryzen 9 3900X
    Motherboard
    ASUS X570-E ROG Strix Gaming
    Memory
    G.Skill Ripjaws V 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4-3200
    Graphics Card(s)
    PNY GTX 1070 XLR8 Gaming Overclocked Edition 8GB
    Sound Card
    HyperX Cloud II Gaming Headset
    Monitor(s) Displays
    1x Samsung Odyssey G5 35" & 4x LG 24" IPS LED's
    Screen Resolution
    1x 2560x1440 4x 1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    500GB Evo 860 SSD (OS)
    1TB Evo 860 m.2 (Games)
    2x 2TB FireCuda Solid State Hybrid Drive (SSHD) in RAID-0 (Software)
    2TB Toshiba (storage)
    PSU
    Corsair 750W Gold
    Case
    Cooler Master MasterBox MB511 ARGB
    Cooling
    Wraith Prism
    Keyboard
    Microsoft Natural Ergonomic 4000
    Mouse
    Anker 2000dpi Precision Gaming
    Internet Speed
    1200Gbps
    Browser
    Brave
    Antivirus
    BitDefender
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    Windows 11
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer G9-793-79v5
    CPU
    i7-7700HQ
    Motherboard
    Acer Challenger2_SKS (U3E1)
    Memory
    16GB DDR4 2400 (2x8)
    Graphics card(s)
    GTX 1070 8GB
    Monitor(s) Displays
    17.3" Full HD IPS display with NVIDIA G-SYNC technology
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    2x 120GB m.2 SSD's in RIAD-0 (OS)
    1x 250GB Evo 850
    Cooling
    Cooler Master Predator FrostCore
Should be. No reason why it is needed with the modern processors supported by Windows 11. 32bit apps can run in 64 bit OS.

If it weren't for some old games, I would be in favor of requiring 64 bit apps, like MacOS has done (they seem to take the lead on Windows, like compressed memory, rounded windows corners LOL).
 

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  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro x64
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    DIY Photoshop/Game/tinker build
    CPU
    Intel i9 1300KS
    Motherboard
    Asus ROG Maximus Z90 Dark Hero
    Memory
    64GB (2x32) G.skill Trident Z5 RGB 6400 MHZ 32-39-39
    Graphics Card(s)
    Asus ROG Strix 4070 Ti OC
    Sound Card
    Onboard Audio, Vanatoo Transparent One; Klipsch R-12SWi Sub; Creative Pebble Pro Minimilist
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Eizo CG2730, ViewSonic VP2768
    Screen Resolution
    2560 x 1440p x 2
    Hard Drives
    WDC SN850 1TB nvme, SK-Hynix 2 TB P41 nvme, Raid 0: 1TB 850 EVO + 1TB 860 EVO SSD. Sabrent USB-C DS-SC5B 5-bay docking station: 6TB WDC Black, 6TB Ironwolf Pro; 2x 2TB WDC Black
    PSU
    850W Seasonic Vertex PX-850
    Case
    Fractal Design North XL Mesh, Black Walnut
    Cooling
    EKWB 360 Nucleus Dark AIO w/Phanteks T30-120 fans, 1 Noctua NF-A14 Chromax case fan
    Keyboard
    Glorious GMMK TKL mechanical, lubed modded
    Mouse
    Logitech G305 wireless gaming
    Internet Speed
    380 Mb/s down, 12 Mb/s up
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Defender, Macrium Reflect 8 ;-)
  • Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Apple 13" Macbook Pro 2020 (m1)
    CPU
    Apple M1
    Screen Resolution
    2560x1600
    Browser
    Firefox

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