Never-ending nightmare for Windows 11 newbie, please help.


theres no need to do that, simply disconnect from the internet.
 

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    Win7
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    i5-8400
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    gigabyte b365m ds3h
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    2x8gb 3200mhz
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    benq gw2480
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    bequiet pure power 11 400CM
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    cryorig m9i
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    win7
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    pentium g5400
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    gigabyte b365m ds3h
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    1x8gb 2400
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    xfx pro 450
@JDHinAL

Pretty sure you want to load those rst drivers

full instructions with screenshots at hp site.

The same instructions for dell tigerlake machines. Might be easier to follow
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Win7
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    i5-8400
    Motherboard
    gigabyte b365m ds3h
    Memory
    2x8gb 3200mhz
    Monitor(s) Displays
    benq gw2480
    PSU
    bequiet pure power 11 400CM
    Cooling
    cryorig m9i
  • Operating System
    win7
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    pentium g5400
    Motherboard
    gigabyte b365m ds3h
    Memory
    1x8gb 2400
    PSU
    xfx pro 450
@JDHinAL

Pretty sure you want to load those rst drivers

full instructions with screenshots at hp site.

The same instructions for dell tigerlake machines. Might be easier to follow
@SIW2

Based upon my long-ago experience, I have a very healthy respect for drivers and their impact on a computer!

After my recent WU driver brawl on this HP laptop, I updated the five drivers HPSA recommended even though all of my drivers had just been updated by WU. After affirming, no drivers were either missing or conflicting, I backed up all of the drivers onto a USB stick.

I also tried to cross-reference the recommended drivers from the HP software and driver support website for my laptop against what I saw in Device Manager. Some of the driver versions were the same, however, some were different than those on HP. I assume the different driver versions were from WU.

Note: When I finally asked the second support subscription company I have about this discrepancy, they said to always use drivers recommended by WU. This is contrary to everything I have previously known about drivers, but, hey, I've been living in an antiquated reality, so what do I know? lol

Long story short, in the end, I unzipped each and every most recent driver sofpaq from HP using 7-zip. From there, I went to Device Manager and clicked driver update for each and every driver and pointed it to my driver backup folder. No drivers were updated during this process. Thus, I'm assuming my drivers at the time of that particular reset were correct. However, I'm not 100% certain that my sofpaq drivers from HP would necessarily know to override WU's drivers. All I know for certain is that I currently have no missing drivers and no driver conflicts. What I don't truly know is if one driver version might be a smidge better than another.

I have read tons and attempted to do tons with this laptop. Lots of it is getting jumbled in my head. If I am understanding your response, my newest reset drivers are:

Intel RST VMD Controller 9A0B
Intel RST VMD Managed Controller 09AB
Microsoft Storage Spaces Controller

Honestly, because Device Manager isn't showing any issues, I haven't actually compared my current drivers against my recently backed up drivers from my previous reset.

Are these the drivers you were referencing, and do they look good to you? It would be awesome if I could get rid of my restart blinking and get my USB transfer speeds on par to my old Toshiba laptop!

Many sincere thanks for all of your insight and input! I appreciate any help at all! A true case in point, I only recently discovered that 7-zip will unzip HP's sofpaqs! To someone as ignorant as I am, this bit of info was a tremendous gift!
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 22H2 22621.2428
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP ENVY Laptop 17-ch0xxx
    CPU
    Intel Core i7-1165G7 @ 2.80GHz
    Motherboard
    Insyde F.16
    Memory
    2 * 16GB SK Hynix 3200MHz
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel Iris Xe Graphics
    Sound Card
    Realtek High Definition Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    17.3" Integrated Monitor
    Screen Resolution
    1920 * 1080
    Hard Drives
    1TB SSD Samsung NVMe
    PSU
    Unknown
    Case
    Unknown
    Cooling
    Unknown
    Keyboard
    Integrated Keyboard
    Mouse
    M650 Logitech (Bluetooth)
    Internet Speed
    Unknown
    Browser
    Edge is default, but I browse with Chrome 99.9% of the time.
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
    Other Info
    I purchased this CTO laptop directly from HP in December 2021. However, I didn't unbox it and set it up until August 2023. Thus, in spite of its older specs now, it is a new laptop to me... along with all of Windows 11's learning curves and problems.
theres no need to do that, simply disconnect from the internet.
That didn't work at least for me. For some reason Windows 11 Pro didn't have a driver for my laptop's WiFi. Since it wasn't connecting to the Internet the setup refused to go any further until I connected to the Internet. I had to pick up my laptop and move it into the room with the router and connect the computer to it using an Ethernet cable. I was then able to continue with the setup.

What is the big deal about connecting to the Internet? The Windows 11 setup goes much faster because it is able to download needed updates during the setup. Besides, you have to connect to the Internet eventually because it still needs a bunch of updates after the setup is done.

I have installed Windows 11 at least a dozen times (both Home and Pro). Using my trick I was always able to start with a local account. I find disconnecting from the Internet during the setup is simply a wasted of time. Note, if my laptop didn't have Ethernet then I would have had to use one of the other workarounds to get past the Internet requirement.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    ASUS TUF Gaming A15 (2022)
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 7 6800H with Radeon 680M GPU (486MB RAM)
    Memory
    Micron DDR5-4800 (2400MHz) 16GB (2 x 8GB)
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA RTX 3060 Laptop (6GB RAM)
    Sound Card
    n/a
    Monitor(s) Displays
    15.6-inch
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080 300Hz
    Hard Drives
    2 x Samsung 980 (1TB M.2 NVME SSD)
    PSU
    n/a
    Mouse
    Wireless Mouse M510
    Internet Speed
    1200Mbps/250Mbps
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Malwarebytes
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom build
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 7 3700X
    Motherboard
    ASUS PRIME X370-PRO
    Memory
    G.SKILL Flare X 32GB (2x16GB) DDR4
    Graphics card(s)
    ASUS ROG-STRIX-RTX3060TI-08G-V2-GAMING (RTX 3060-Ti, 8GB RAM)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung S23A300B (23-in LED)
    Screen Resolution
    1080p 60Hz
    Hard Drives
    2TB XPG SX8200 Pro (M2. PCIe SSD) || 2TB Intel 660P (M2. PCIe SSD) ||
    PSU
    Corsair RM750x (750 watts)
    Case
    Cooler Master MasterCase 5
    Cooling
    Corsair H60 AIO water cooler
    Mouse
    Logitech K350 (wireless)
    Keyboard
    Logitech M510 (wireless)
    Internet Speed
    1200 Mbps down / 200 Mbps up
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge, Chrome
    Antivirus
    Malwarebytes (Premium)
    Other Info
    ASUS Blu-ray Burner BW-16D1HT (SATA) || Western Digital Elements 12TB USB 3.0 external hard drive used with Acronis True Image backup software || HP OfficeJet Pro 6975 Printer/Scanner
@SIW2

Based upon my long-ago experience, I have a very healthy respect for drivers and their impact on a computer!

After my recent WU driver brawl on this HP laptop, I updated the five drivers HPSA recommended even though all of my drivers had just been updated by WU. After affirming, no drivers were either missing or conflicting, I backed up all of the drivers onto a USB stick.

I also tried to cross-reference the recommended drivers from the HP software and driver support website for my laptop against what I saw in Device Manager. Some of the driver versions were the same, however, some were different than those on HP. I assume the different driver versions were from WU.

Note: When I finally asked the second support subscription company I have about this discrepancy, they said to always use drivers recommended by WU. This is contrary to everything I have previously known about drivers, but, hey, I've been living in an antiquated reality, so what do I know? lol

Long story short, in the end, I unzipped each and every most recent driver sofpaq from HP using 7-zip. From there, I went to Device Manager and clicked driver update for each and every driver and pointed it to my driver backup folder. No drivers were updated during this process. Thus, I'm assuming my drivers at the time of that particular reset were correct. However, I'm not 100% certain that my sofpaq drivers from HP would necessarily know to override WU's drivers. All I know for certain is that I currently have no missing drivers and no driver conflicts. What I don't truly know is if one driver version might be a smidge better than another.

I have read tons and attempted to do tons with this laptop. Lots of it is getting jumbled in my head. If I am understanding your response, my newest reset drivers are:

Intel RST VMD Controller 9A0B
Intel RST VMD Managed Controller 09AB
Microsoft Storage Spaces Controller

Honestly, because Device Manager isn't showing any issues, I haven't actually compared my current drivers against my recently backed up drivers from my previous reset.

Are these the drivers you were referencing, and do they look good to you? It would be awesome if I could get rid of my restart blinking and get my USB transfer speeds on par to my old Toshiba laptop!

Many sincere thanks for all of your insight and input! I appreciate any help at all! A true case in point, I only recently discovered that 7-zip will unzip HP's sofpaqs! To someone as ignorant as I am, this bit of info was a tremendous gift!

@JDHinAL

Pretty sure you want to load those rst drivers

full instructions with screenshots at hp site.

The same instructions for dell tigerlake machines. Might be easier to follow
@SIW2

Sheesh! I just followed your HP link and I do remember seeing that at some point because it involved the issue with Intel's TigerLake; however, because I originally had no substantial reason to use MCT instead of reset, I basically dismissed it in anticipation that Intel would eventually find a Microsoft approved fix for the issue! Thank you bunches and bunches for pointing my attention back to it!!!

I am going to have to carefully study HP's tut, along with Dell's, and figure out if I can successfully navigate the complexities involved. At this point I am becoming inclined to go to my original subscription support provider with the 4 day turn-a-round time frame and say, "Give it your best shot!" However, with a fresh frame of mind tomorrow, maybe I can muster better than that because I really do want to learn!

Many super sincere thanks for your additional research and for politely nudging me towards a much needed action! If I decide to go it without the help of Big Box, I feel certain you saved me a lot of heartache!

*Edited to better reflect my past thoughts and actions.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 22H2 22621.2428
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP ENVY Laptop 17-ch0xxx
    CPU
    Intel Core i7-1165G7 @ 2.80GHz
    Motherboard
    Insyde F.16
    Memory
    2 * 16GB SK Hynix 3200MHz
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel Iris Xe Graphics
    Sound Card
    Realtek High Definition Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    17.3" Integrated Monitor
    Screen Resolution
    1920 * 1080
    Hard Drives
    1TB SSD Samsung NVMe
    PSU
    Unknown
    Case
    Unknown
    Cooling
    Unknown
    Keyboard
    Integrated Keyboard
    Mouse
    M650 Logitech (Bluetooth)
    Internet Speed
    Unknown
    Browser
    Edge is default, but I browse with Chrome 99.9% of the time.
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
    Other Info
    I purchased this CTO laptop directly from HP in December 2021. However, I didn't unbox it and set it up until August 2023. Thus, in spite of its older specs now, it is a new laptop to me... along with all of Windows 11's learning curves and problems.
That didn't work at least for me. For some reason Windows 11 Pro didn't have a driver for my laptop's WiFi. Since it wasn't connecting to the Internet the setup refused to go any further until I connected to the Internet. I had to pick up my laptop and move it into the room with the router and connect the computer to it using an Ethernet cable. I was then able to continue with the setup.

What is the big deal about connecting to the Internet? The Windows 11 setup goes much faster because it is able to download needed updates during the setup. Besides, you have to connect to the Internet eventually because it still needs a bunch of updates after the setup is done.

I have installed Windows 11 at least a dozen times (both Home and Pro). Using my trick I was always able to start with a local account. I find disconnecting from the Internet during the setup is simply a wasted of time. Note, if my laptop didn't have Ethernet then I would have had to use one of the other workarounds to get past the Internet requirement.
@MisterEd

Your method was entirely relatable to me. I would go so far as to call it easy-peasy.

Who really knows why one thing works for one person but not another?

For instance, during my original OOBE set up I tried to Bluetooth connect my Samsung phone to my laptop at least 10 times before I finally succeeded. And before finally succeeding, I had to look up a visual tut. Come to find out, as multiple windows were popping up on both my laptop and my phone at the same time, I was inadvertently responding to one of them out of order. Thus, the multiple failures. During my subsequent resets I haven't gone far enough to try to connect my phone again, but I feel almost certain that if those windows pop up in the same order as they did before, then I will experience another failure without the tut to guide me. Too bad I didn't save the tut link! lol

Many warm thanks for your first-hand experience. It might be just what I need when the time comes!
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 22H2 22621.2428
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP ENVY Laptop 17-ch0xxx
    CPU
    Intel Core i7-1165G7 @ 2.80GHz
    Motherboard
    Insyde F.16
    Memory
    2 * 16GB SK Hynix 3200MHz
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel Iris Xe Graphics
    Sound Card
    Realtek High Definition Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    17.3" Integrated Monitor
    Screen Resolution
    1920 * 1080
    Hard Drives
    1TB SSD Samsung NVMe
    PSU
    Unknown
    Case
    Unknown
    Cooling
    Unknown
    Keyboard
    Integrated Keyboard
    Mouse
    M650 Logitech (Bluetooth)
    Internet Speed
    Unknown
    Browser
    Edge is default, but I browse with Chrome 99.9% of the time.
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
    Other Info
    I purchased this CTO laptop directly from HP in December 2021. However, I didn't unbox it and set it up until August 2023. Thus, in spite of its older specs now, it is a new laptop to me... along with all of Windows 11's learning curves and problems.
@SIW2

Sheesh! I just followed your HP link and I do remember seeing that at some point because it involved the issue with Intel's TigerLake; however, because I originally had no substantial reason to use MCT instead of reset, I basically dismissed it in anticipation that Intel would eventually find a Microsoft approved fix for the issue! Thank you bunches and bunches for pointing my attention back to it!!!

I am going to have to carefully study HP's tut, along with Dell's, and figure out if I can successfully navigate the complexities involved. At this point I am becoming inclined to go to my original subscription support provider with the 4 day turn-a-round time frame and say, "Give it your best shot!" However, with a fresh frame of mind tomorrow, maybe I can muster better than that because I really do want to learn!

Many super sincere thanks for your additional research and for politely nudging me towards a much needed action! If I decide to go it without the help of Big Box, I feel certain you saved me a lot of heartache!

*Edited to better reflect my past thoughts and actions.
It is not only MCT.

It is the same if you download the iso direct from microsoft, which is preferable because it includes install.wim rather than the more compressed install.esd. Though it still needs the RST drivers loaded to see the disk when installing from booted media.

According to the DELL link the RST drivers are also needed for their 12th and 13th gen machines

Havent seen dell or hp mention the 14th gen, but presumably will be the same
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Win7
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    i5-8400
    Motherboard
    gigabyte b365m ds3h
    Memory
    2x8gb 3200mhz
    Monitor(s) Displays
    benq gw2480
    PSU
    bequiet pure power 11 400CM
    Cooling
    cryorig m9i
  • Operating System
    win7
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    pentium g5400
    Motherboard
    gigabyte b365m ds3h
    Memory
    1x8gb 2400
    PSU
    xfx pro 450
It is not only MCT.

It is the same if you download the iso direct from microsoft, which is preferable because it includes install.wim rather than the more compressed install.esd. Though it still needs the RST drivers loaded to see the disk when installing from booted media.

According to the DELL link the RST drivers are also needed for their 12th and 13th gen machines

Havent seen dell or hp mention the 14th gen, but presumably will be the same
@SIW2

The drivers I listed came from my current Device Manager via Storage Controllers. They are the closest drivers to what I think you are referencing. To be honest, I get terribly befuddled when it comes to drivers. Device Manager seems to allocate them to a particular usage area and call them by a particular name, whereas HP's driver info is rather vague in comparison. For the most part, I feel like I'm in a crapshoot when it comes to drivers. Hence, I typically only look for errors and hope for the best going forward if no immediate issues are found.

I concur. As I understand it, only TigerLake has an issue... meaning none before it nor after it... to date.

It is very late my time... not only am I feeling absolutely brain dead, but I am also seeing double. I will revisit your thoughts tomorrow when I am refreshed.

Many thanks for your continued input!
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 22H2 22621.2428
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP ENVY Laptop 17-ch0xxx
    CPU
    Intel Core i7-1165G7 @ 2.80GHz
    Motherboard
    Insyde F.16
    Memory
    2 * 16GB SK Hynix 3200MHz
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel Iris Xe Graphics
    Sound Card
    Realtek High Definition Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    17.3" Integrated Monitor
    Screen Resolution
    1920 * 1080
    Hard Drives
    1TB SSD Samsung NVMe
    PSU
    Unknown
    Case
    Unknown
    Cooling
    Unknown
    Keyboard
    Integrated Keyboard
    Mouse
    M650 Logitech (Bluetooth)
    Internet Speed
    Unknown
    Browser
    Edge is default, but I browse with Chrome 99.9% of the time.
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
    Other Info
    I purchased this CTO laptop directly from HP in December 2021. However, I didn't unbox it and set it up until August 2023. Thus, in spite of its older specs now, it is a new laptop to me... along with all of Windows 11's learning curves and problems.
My subsequent questions of concern are:

1.) If I reinstall using MCT, will my OEM license still be valid?
Yes
2.) In the old days, using any reinstall method outside of the now defunct HP recovery partition would cause a computer not to be recognized by HP ever again. Thereby, effectively, locking a user out of any new driver updates. Primarily for this reason, I have stayed within the reset options from Settings. Will my laptop still be recognized by HP if I use the MCT?
Yes
3.) Bypassing the Internet during reinstallation will result in a local account. Again, I have no issue with this as a solid starting point. I will check out your link for switching to a Microsoft account from a local account to see if I did something wrong the first time around when I got the managed by your organization issue. However, I strongly suspect that issue was caused by BloatyNosy.
If you're going to use a Microsoft account, there is no need to install as local. Go ahead and install as Microsoft account.
4.) Without thoroughly reviewing the tutorials you have kindly pointed me to, I am concerned if I have to go into the BIOS to change my boot order. The BIOS feels like a dark and mysterious place... much like the registry... that I should probably avoid unless I have absolute breadcrumbs to undo anything I do. lol
You don't need to change BIOS boot priority to boot from a USB drive. During post launch the Boot Menu by pressing F? . Some computers is F12 others are F8 and I think HP is F9. Some you press Esc and a small menu appears with some options, including Boot Menu.
"The generic HP boot menu keys are Esc and F9. The key to access HP laptop boot menu on most models is Esc (HP Pavilion boot menu is no exception). The universal HP BIOS keys are Esc, F10, and F1"
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Thank you very much for your time and suggestions!

A reset isn't a clean install as you use the installation files already on the computer.
 
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System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 7 HP 64 - Windows 11 Pro - Lubuntu
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    custom build
    CPU
    i5 6600K - 800MHz to 4400MHz
    Motherboard
    GA-Z170-HD3P
    Memory
    4+4G GSkill DDR4 3000
    Graphics Card(s)
    IG - Intel 530
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung 226BW
    Screen Resolution
    1680x1050
    Hard Drives
    (1) -1 SM951 – 128GB M.2 AHCI PCIe SSD drive for Win 11
    (2) -1 WD SATA 3 - 1T for Data
    (3) -1 WD SATA 3 - 1T for backup
    (4) -1 BX500 SSD - 128G for Windows 7 and Lubuntu
    PSU
    Thermaltake 450W TR2 gold
    Keyboard
    Old and good Chicony mechanical keyboard
    Mouse
    Logitech mX performance - 9 buttons (had to disable some)
    Internet Speed
    500 Mb/s
    Browser
    Firefox 64
  • Operating System
    Windows 7 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Asus Q550LF
    CPU
    i7-4500U 800- 3000MHz
    Motherboard
    Asus Q550LF
    Memory
    (4+4)G DDR3 1600
    Graphics card(s)
    IG intel 4400 + NVIDIA GeForce GT 745M
    Sound Card
    Realtek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    LG Display LP156WF4-SPH1
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    BX500 120G SSD for Windows and programs
    & 1T HDD for data
    Internet Speed
    350 Mb/s
    Browser
    Firefox 64
It is not only MCT.

It is the same if you download the iso direct from microsoft, which is preferable because it includes install.wim rather than the more compressed install.esd. Though it still needs the RST drivers loaded to see the disk when installing from booted media.

According to the DELL link the RST drivers are also needed for their 12th and 13th gen machines

Havent seen dell or hp mention the 14th gen, but presumably will be the same
I can't understand why Microsoft did not integrate the RST drivers into the installation files. To get it worst, Intel don't deliver the driver files (*.cat, *.inf, *.sys etc). It delivers an exe file and you need to extract the files from it.
- Download the latest RST driver
- Open a Power Shell window and type:
path/SetupRST.exe -extractdrivers SetupRST_extracted
Replace parh with the path where you downloaded the SetupRST.exe
Ex.: C:\Users\Name\Download\SetupRST.exe -extractdrivers SetupRST_extracted
 
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My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 7 HP 64 - Windows 11 Pro - Lubuntu
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    custom build
    CPU
    i5 6600K - 800MHz to 4400MHz
    Motherboard
    GA-Z170-HD3P
    Memory
    4+4G GSkill DDR4 3000
    Graphics Card(s)
    IG - Intel 530
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung 226BW
    Screen Resolution
    1680x1050
    Hard Drives
    (1) -1 SM951 – 128GB M.2 AHCI PCIe SSD drive for Win 11
    (2) -1 WD SATA 3 - 1T for Data
    (3) -1 WD SATA 3 - 1T for backup
    (4) -1 BX500 SSD - 128G for Windows 7 and Lubuntu
    PSU
    Thermaltake 450W TR2 gold
    Keyboard
    Old and good Chicony mechanical keyboard
    Mouse
    Logitech mX performance - 9 buttons (had to disable some)
    Internet Speed
    500 Mb/s
    Browser
    Firefox 64
  • Operating System
    Windows 7 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Asus Q550LF
    CPU
    i7-4500U 800- 3000MHz
    Motherboard
    Asus Q550LF
    Memory
    (4+4)G DDR3 1600
    Graphics card(s)
    IG intel 4400 + NVIDIA GeForce GT 745M
    Sound Card
    Realtek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    LG Display LP156WF4-SPH1
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    BX500 120G SSD for Windows and programs
    & 1T HDD for data
    Internet Speed
    350 Mb/s
    Browser
    Firefox 64
I provided the HP driver files for winpe in a zip. Post #8 and attached again below:

➡️ HP-winpe-18.36.2-plus-19.50.0.zip

The DELL recommended winpe RST drivers have slightly higher numbers so are presumably more recent. I have included the DELL recommended drivers in my custom winpe on the assumption they will work for other oem machines, acer, lenovo etc. I expect they will also work on HP machines, but I haven't got a hp 11th, 12th, or 13th gen machine to test on.
 
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My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Win7
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    i5-8400
    Motherboard
    gigabyte b365m ds3h
    Memory
    2x8gb 3200mhz
    Monitor(s) Displays
    benq gw2480
    PSU
    bequiet pure power 11 400CM
    Cooling
    cryorig m9i
  • Operating System
    win7
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    pentium g5400
    Motherboard
    gigabyte b365m ds3h
    Memory
    1x8gb 2400
    PSU
    xfx pro 450
I just did an extraction using a RSTsetup.exe and it has many drivers

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@SIW2, I suppose I would use AHCI. Could you please explain the other options and why they are different from the ones from your link
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 7 HP 64 - Windows 11 Pro - Lubuntu
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    custom build
    CPU
    i5 6600K - 800MHz to 4400MHz
    Motherboard
    GA-Z170-HD3P
    Memory
    4+4G GSkill DDR4 3000
    Graphics Card(s)
    IG - Intel 530
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung 226BW
    Screen Resolution
    1680x1050
    Hard Drives
    (1) -1 SM951 – 128GB M.2 AHCI PCIe SSD drive for Win 11
    (2) -1 WD SATA 3 - 1T for Data
    (3) -1 WD SATA 3 - 1T for backup
    (4) -1 BX500 SSD - 128G for Windows 7 and Lubuntu
    PSU
    Thermaltake 450W TR2 gold
    Keyboard
    Old and good Chicony mechanical keyboard
    Mouse
    Logitech mX performance - 9 buttons (had to disable some)
    Internet Speed
    500 Mb/s
    Browser
    Firefox 64
  • Operating System
    Windows 7 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Asus Q550LF
    CPU
    i7-4500U 800- 3000MHz
    Motherboard
    Asus Q550LF
    Memory
    (4+4)G DDR3 1600
    Graphics card(s)
    IG intel 4400 + NVIDIA GeForce GT 745M
    Sound Card
    Realtek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    LG Display LP156WF4-SPH1
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    BX500 120G SSD for Windows and programs
    & 1T HDD for data
    Internet Speed
    350 Mb/s
    Browser
    Firefox 64
Dont ask me, the drivers in my zip are the ones supplied by HP for both winpe win10 and win11.

Dell rst drivers for winpe win10 are not exactly the same versions as dell rst drivers for winpe win11.

➡️ dell-rst-winpe11.zip
 
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My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Win7
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    i5-8400
    Motherboard
    gigabyte b365m ds3h
    Memory
    2x8gb 3200mhz
    Monitor(s) Displays
    benq gw2480
    PSU
    bequiet pure power 11 400CM
    Cooling
    cryorig m9i
  • Operating System
    win7
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    pentium g5400
    Motherboard
    gigabyte b365m ds3h
    Memory
    1x8gb 2400
    PSU
    xfx pro 450
You need ALL the files that were extracted. Each folder has drivers for different components of IRST.
Put all those folders you extracted into a master folder on external drive. You point to the master folder during install.

Step by step with screenshots how to insert drivers during windows install here. It's a Dell article but steps for any brand machine are exactly the same.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 22631.3155
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Optiplex 7080
    CPU
    i9-10900 10 core 20 threads
    Motherboard
    DELL 0J37VM
    Memory
    32 gb
    Graphics Card(s)
    none-Intel UHD Graphics 630
    Sound Card
    Integrated Realtek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Benq 27
    Screen Resolution
    2560x1440
    Hard Drives
    1tb Solidigm m.2 +256gb ssd+512 gb usb m.2 sata
    PSU
    500w
    Case
    MT
    Cooling
    Dell Premium
    Keyboard
    Logitech wired
    Mouse
    Logitech wireless
    Internet Speed
    so slow I'm too embarrassed to tell
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Defender+MWB Premium
  • Operating System
    Windows 10 Pro 22H2 19045.3930
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Optiplex 9020
    CPU
    i7-4770
    Memory
    24 gb
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Benq 27
    Screen Resolution
    2560x1440
    Hard Drives
    256 gb Toshiba BG4 M.2 NVE SSB and 1 tb hdd
    PSU
    500w
    Case
    MT
    Cooling
    Dell factory
    Mouse
    Logitech wireless
    Keyboard
    Logitech wired
    Internet Speed
    still not telling
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Defender+MWB Premium
If you're going to use a Microsoft account, there is no need to install as local. Go ahead and install as Microsoft account.
In order to bypass OneDrive's auto-syncing, I will be installing as a local account. Afterwards, I will convert it to my Microsoft account.
You don't need to change BIOS boot priority to boot from a USB drive. During post launch the Boot Menu by pressing F? . Some computers is F12 others are F8 and I think HP is F9. Some you press Esc and a small menu appears with some options, including Boot Menu.
"The generic HP boot menu keys are Esc and F9. The key to access HP laptop boot menu on most models is Esc (HP Pavilion boot menu is no exception). The universal HP BIOS keys are Esc, F10, and F1"
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I had to go the Esc and F9 route when I used the HP Cloud Recovery Tool. It was terribly confusing for me because the menu didn't show my USB stick by name. There was a bit of verbiage in front of it... maybe EFI or something similar... then enough was written after it for me to deduce that was probably my USB stick. Besides, nothing else seemed to fit. lol
A reset isn't a clean install as you use the installation files already on the computer.
The reset part of this is still a bit confusing to me.

1.) I thought the HP Cloud Recovery Tool was a clean install of Windows, but with HP drivers, software, bloatware, and trialware added to it.

2.) I understood that doing a local reset via Settings would use my existing system files. However, I thought doing a reset via Settings and using the Cloud option would give me a clean install of Windows because it downloaded fresh system files from either HP or Microsoft... but, again, with all of HP's stuff included.

3.) In hindsight, are the HP Cloud Recovery Tool and the Cloud option in reset via Settings actually exactly one in the same... but with different methods of installation?

4.) Additionally, I thought system files were only "recycled" if I chose local install. So... does the HP Cloud Recovery Tool and the reset via Settings using the Cloud option actually install fresh system files or not?

Sincere thanks for your all your help!

EDIT: P.S. I should note here that I'm not referencing, or confusing, the MCT with any of the above. I understand that MCT is entirely outside of HP. I am just trying to develop a better understanding of reset via Settings and the HP Cloud Recovery Tool as it applies to my HP laptop. In hindsight, trying to stay within the confines of HP might be contributing to my issues.
 
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My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 22H2 22621.2428
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP ENVY Laptop 17-ch0xxx
    CPU
    Intel Core i7-1165G7 @ 2.80GHz
    Motherboard
    Insyde F.16
    Memory
    2 * 16GB SK Hynix 3200MHz
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel Iris Xe Graphics
    Sound Card
    Realtek High Definition Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    17.3" Integrated Monitor
    Screen Resolution
    1920 * 1080
    Hard Drives
    1TB SSD Samsung NVMe
    PSU
    Unknown
    Case
    Unknown
    Cooling
    Unknown
    Keyboard
    Integrated Keyboard
    Mouse
    M650 Logitech (Bluetooth)
    Internet Speed
    Unknown
    Browser
    Edge is default, but I browse with Chrome 99.9% of the time.
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
    Other Info
    I purchased this CTO laptop directly from HP in December 2021. However, I didn't unbox it and set it up until August 2023. Thus, in spite of its older specs now, it is a new laptop to me... along with all of Windows 11's learning curves and problems.
I just checked one my driver backup folders, and this is what is present for IRST. This is an unzipped sofpaq that I downloaded last week from HP Support for my HP laptop model. The sofpaq is: sp138539. The name of the main folder that it's located in is my paraphrased description, and release date, of the driver inside as per HP's description. The original sofpaq is also in the folder.

Through my many resets, I have relied entirely on the reset process to put all of my drivers where they belong... and to not miss installing any. Currently, Device Manager isn't reporting any errors. But...

If I wanted to verify that all of the bits of IRST are properly installed in Device Manager, how could I do it?

Thanks so much for your continuing help!


Screenshot 2023-11-15 120449.png
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 22H2 22621.2428
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP ENVY Laptop 17-ch0xxx
    CPU
    Intel Core i7-1165G7 @ 2.80GHz
    Motherboard
    Insyde F.16
    Memory
    2 * 16GB SK Hynix 3200MHz
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel Iris Xe Graphics
    Sound Card
    Realtek High Definition Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    17.3" Integrated Monitor
    Screen Resolution
    1920 * 1080
    Hard Drives
    1TB SSD Samsung NVMe
    PSU
    Unknown
    Case
    Unknown
    Cooling
    Unknown
    Keyboard
    Integrated Keyboard
    Mouse
    M650 Logitech (Bluetooth)
    Internet Speed
    Unknown
    Browser
    Edge is default, but I browse with Chrome 99.9% of the time.
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
    Other Info
    I purchased this CTO laptop directly from HP in December 2021. However, I didn't unbox it and set it up until August 2023. Thus, in spite of its older specs now, it is a new laptop to me... along with all of Windows 11's learning curves and problems.
I thought the HP Cloud Recovery Tool was a clean install of Windows, but with HP drivers, software, bloatware, and trialware added to it.

I have downloaded recovery media for win10 ( not for win11) via the recovery tool.
It is installation media with oem drivers and unwanted crud included.
Dell recovery downloads an iso file into a temp folder, which it then extracts to usb stick
HP cloud recovery downloads 2 wim files into a temp folder, which it then extracts to usb stick

Don't confuse the drivers in your current installation with winpe specific drivers. They are not necessarily the same. Often winpe drivers will only include the parts that are needed for boot.wim/winre.wim/winpe.wim and the inf files can be different and apply different registry settings.

You can get away with using the normal os drivers in winpe for some things ( e.g. network card drivers) but I dont recommend it for boot critical drivers - use the winpe specific drivers.
 
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My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Win7
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    i5-8400
    Motherboard
    gigabyte b365m ds3h
    Memory
    2x8gb 3200mhz
    Monitor(s) Displays
    benq gw2480
    PSU
    bequiet pure power 11 400CM
    Cooling
    cryorig m9i
  • Operating System
    win7
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    pentium g5400
    Motherboard
    gigabyte b365m ds3h
    Memory
    1x8gb 2400
    PSU
    xfx pro 450
I just checked one my driver backup folders, and this is what is present for IRST. This is an unzipped sofpaq that I downloaded last week from HP Support for my HP laptop model. The sofpaq is: sp138539. The name of the main folder that it's located in is my paraphrased description, and release date, of the driver inside as per HP's description. The original sofpaq is also in the folder.

Through my many resets, I have relied entirely on the reset process to put all of my drivers where they belong... and to not miss installing any. Currently, Device Manager isn't reporting any errors. But...

If I wanted to verify that all of the bits of IRST are properly installed in Device Manager, how could I do it?

Thanks so much for your continuing help!


View attachment 77860

This is a view of Storage Controllers in Device Manager's current state:

Screenshot 2023-11-15 123745.png
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 22H2 22621.2428
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP ENVY Laptop 17-ch0xxx
    CPU
    Intel Core i7-1165G7 @ 2.80GHz
    Motherboard
    Insyde F.16
    Memory
    2 * 16GB SK Hynix 3200MHz
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel Iris Xe Graphics
    Sound Card
    Realtek High Definition Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    17.3" Integrated Monitor
    Screen Resolution
    1920 * 1080
    Hard Drives
    1TB SSD Samsung NVMe
    PSU
    Unknown
    Case
    Unknown
    Cooling
    Unknown
    Keyboard
    Integrated Keyboard
    Mouse
    M650 Logitech (Bluetooth)
    Internet Speed
    Unknown
    Browser
    Edge is default, but I browse with Chrome 99.9% of the time.
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
    Other Info
    I purchased this CTO laptop directly from HP in December 2021. However, I didn't unbox it and set it up until August 2023. Thus, in spite of its older specs now, it is a new laptop to me... along with all of Windows 11's learning curves and problems.
I just checked one my driver backup folders, and this is what is present for IRST. This is an unzipped sofpaq that I downloaded last week from HP Support for my HP laptop model. The sofpaq is: sp138539. The name of the main folder that it's located in is my paraphrased description, and release date, of the driver inside as per HP's description. The original sofpaq is also in the folder.

Through my many resets, I have relied entirely on the reset process to put all of my drivers where they belong... and to not miss installing any. Currently, Device Manager isn't reporting any errors. But...

If I wanted to verify that all of the bits of IRST are properly installed in Device Manager, how could I do it?

Thanks so much for your continuing help!
I would say that F6 folder has the drives for installation.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 7 HP 64 - Windows 11 Pro - Lubuntu
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    custom build
    CPU
    i5 6600K - 800MHz to 4400MHz
    Motherboard
    GA-Z170-HD3P
    Memory
    4+4G GSkill DDR4 3000
    Graphics Card(s)
    IG - Intel 530
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung 226BW
    Screen Resolution
    1680x1050
    Hard Drives
    (1) -1 SM951 – 128GB M.2 AHCI PCIe SSD drive for Win 11
    (2) -1 WD SATA 3 - 1T for Data
    (3) -1 WD SATA 3 - 1T for backup
    (4) -1 BX500 SSD - 128G for Windows 7 and Lubuntu
    PSU
    Thermaltake 450W TR2 gold
    Keyboard
    Old and good Chicony mechanical keyboard
    Mouse
    Logitech mX performance - 9 buttons (had to disable some)
    Internet Speed
    500 Mb/s
    Browser
    Firefox 64
  • Operating System
    Windows 7 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Asus Q550LF
    CPU
    i7-4500U 800- 3000MHz
    Motherboard
    Asus Q550LF
    Memory
    (4+4)G DDR3 1600
    Graphics card(s)
    IG intel 4400 + NVIDIA GeForce GT 745M
    Sound Card
    Realtek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    LG Display LP156WF4-SPH1
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    BX500 120G SSD for Windows and programs
    & 1T HDD for data
    Internet Speed
    350 Mb/s
    Browser
    Firefox 64
You seem to be confusing the installation on your disk with the bootable installation media.

When installing in the traditional way, the installation media is booted ( e.g. from usb stick ) and a little guy called boot.wim is loaded into random access memory.

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So you have a tiny version of windows running ram. That is called winpe.

From there you can begin the setup routine which asks where you want to install windows and then it partitions the selected disk ( if necessary) and it applies the contents of the big install.wim ( or install.esd) to the selected disk.

The problem arises because the winpe in boot.wim cannot see the disk unless you add the appropriate drivers to it.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Win7
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    i5-8400
    Motherboard
    gigabyte b365m ds3h
    Memory
    2x8gb 3200mhz
    Monitor(s) Displays
    benq gw2480
    PSU
    bequiet pure power 11 400CM
    Cooling
    cryorig m9i
  • Operating System
    win7
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    pentium g5400
    Motherboard
    gigabyte b365m ds3h
    Memory
    1x8gb 2400
    PSU
    xfx pro 450

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