Placing an item on desktop (sometimes) displaces desktop icons


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I have an odd issue that I cannot seem to determine a cause for. Wondering if anyone else has noticed this, and more importantly, identified a solution.

Scenario:

Windows 11 22H2 with the latest (Nov 2022) updates. I have no shell enhancements or programs installed that should alter the desktop experience. Desktop settings are set to not sort icons, to align icons to grid, but NOT to auto arrange icons. PC is an 11th Gen i7-11700K using only the Intel XE graphics with 128GB RAM.

Let's assume that my desktop looks like the image below, with these icons positioned in the upper left corner:

IM1.jpg

Now, I drag an item to desktop as in the illustration below. Note that I am placing this item nowhere near the upper left corner of the screen.

IM2.jpg

However, for some reason this SOMETIMES causes all my icons to shift down one position as you see here:

IM3.jpg

Please note that this does not happen all the time. In fact, it's hard to reproduce it. In the screenshot I actually had to emulate the problem manually by moving the icons down one slot to illustrate the issue. But it happens often enough to be real annoying.

Now, if I save something else to the desktop (not by dragging it to a specific spot on the desktop), it will be placed in that upper left corner, ruining the organization that I have.

Has anyone seen this and identified a resolution?
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Win11 Pro 23H2
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Home Built
    CPU
    Intel i7-11700K
    Motherboard
    ASUS Prime Z590-A
    Memory
    128GB Crucial Ballistix 3200MHz DRAM
    Graphics Card(s)
    No GPU - CPU graphics only (for now)
    Sound Card
    Realtek (on motherboard)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    HP Envy 32
    Screen Resolution
    2560 x 1440
    Hard Drives
    1 x 1TB NVMe Gen 4 x 4 SSD
    1 x 2TB NVMe Gen 3 x 4 SSD
    2 x 512GB 2.5" SSDs
    2 x 8TB HD
    PSU
    Corsair HX850i
    Case
    Corsair iCue 5000X RGB
    Cooling
    Noctua NH-D15 chromax.black cooler + 10 case fans
    Keyboard
    CODE backlit mechanical keyboard
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master 3
    Internet Speed
    1Gb Up / 1 Gb Down
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    Edge
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
    Other Info
    Additional options installed:
    WiFi 6E PCIe adapter
    ASUS ThunderboltEX 4 PCIe adapter
  • Operating System
    Win11 Pro 23H2
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Lenovo ThinkBook 13x Gen 2
    CPU
    Intel i7-1255U
    Memory
    16 GB
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel Iris Xe Graphics
    Sound Card
    Realtek® ALC3306-CG codec
    Monitor(s) Displays
    13.3-inch IPS Display
    Screen Resolution
    WQXGA (2560 x 1600)
    Hard Drives
    2 TB 4 x 4 NVMe SSD
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    Buttonless Glass Precision Touchpad
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    Backlit, spill resistant keyboard
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    WiFi 6e / Bluetooth 5.1 / Facial Recognition / Fingerprint Sensor / ToF (Time of Flight) Human Presence Sensor
Could the icon cache file be corrupted? I can't reproduce your bug.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    11 Pro 23H2 OS build 22631.3374
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Swift SF114-34
    CPU
    Pentium Silver N6000 1.10GHz
    Memory
    4GB
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    SSD
    Cooling
    fanless
    Internet Speed
    13Mbps
    Browser
    Brave, Edge or Firefox
    Antivirus
    Webroot Secure Anywhere
    Other Info
    System 3

    ASUS T100TA Transformer
    Processor Intel Atom Z3740 @ 1.33GHz
    Installed RAM 2.00 GB (1.89 GB usable)
    System type 32-bit operating system, x64-based processor

    Edition Windows 10 Home
    Version 22H2 build 19045.3570
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 22631.2506
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP Mini 210-1090NR PC (bought in late 2009!)
    CPU
    Atom N450 1.66GHz
    Memory
    2GB
I made an account here specifically just to reply to this post. I am experiencing this same issue on Windows 11 22H2 Build 22621.1413. Have you found any solution to it yet? It doesn't happen often but it's extremely annoying when it does.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    Ryzen 7950x3D
    Motherboard
    Asus B650E-F
    Memory
    64GB G-Skill DDR5 6000
    Graphics Card(s)
    RTX 4090 FE
    Sound Card
    Creative X-Fi Titanium
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Asus XG279Q
    Screen Resolution
    2560x1440
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 990 Pro 2TB + Western Digital 5TB 7200
    PSU
    EVGA 850w-T2 Titanium
    Case
    Cooler Master HAF X
    Cooling
    Noctua NH-D15
    Keyboard
    Logitech G815
    Mouse
    Logitech G502
    Internet Speed
    85/85 Fiber
    Browser
    Google Chrome
Welcome to ElevenForum!

The best suggestion that I can give is to try turning off "Align icons to grid" like this:

Right click on the desktop, select view, uncheck Align icons to grid. Note that it is turned in the image below, you want to turn it off.

IM1.png
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Win11 Pro 23H2
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Home Built
    CPU
    Intel i7-11700K
    Motherboard
    ASUS Prime Z590-A
    Memory
    128GB Crucial Ballistix 3200MHz DRAM
    Graphics Card(s)
    No GPU - CPU graphics only (for now)
    Sound Card
    Realtek (on motherboard)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    HP Envy 32
    Screen Resolution
    2560 x 1440
    Hard Drives
    1 x 1TB NVMe Gen 4 x 4 SSD
    1 x 2TB NVMe Gen 3 x 4 SSD
    2 x 512GB 2.5" SSDs
    2 x 8TB HD
    PSU
    Corsair HX850i
    Case
    Corsair iCue 5000X RGB
    Cooling
    Noctua NH-D15 chromax.black cooler + 10 case fans
    Keyboard
    CODE backlit mechanical keyboard
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master 3
    Internet Speed
    1Gb Up / 1 Gb Down
    Browser
    Edge
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
    Other Info
    Additional options installed:
    WiFi 6E PCIe adapter
    ASUS ThunderboltEX 4 PCIe adapter
  • Operating System
    Win11 Pro 23H2
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Lenovo ThinkBook 13x Gen 2
    CPU
    Intel i7-1255U
    Memory
    16 GB
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel Iris Xe Graphics
    Sound Card
    Realtek® ALC3306-CG codec
    Monitor(s) Displays
    13.3-inch IPS Display
    Screen Resolution
    WQXGA (2560 x 1600)
    Hard Drives
    2 TB 4 x 4 NVMe SSD
    PSU
    USB-C / Thunderbolt 4 Power / Charging
    Mouse
    Buttonless Glass Precision Touchpad
    Keyboard
    Backlit, spill resistant keyboard
    Internet Speed
    1Gb Up / 1Gb Down
    Browser
    Edge
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
    Other Info
    WiFi 6e / Bluetooth 5.1 / Facial Recognition / Fingerprint Sensor / ToF (Time of Flight) Human Presence Sensor
I have had this problem for quite some time - I just live with it.
Every time I do a copy/paste to the desktop it goes to the top left corner, then I have to drag it to where I want it.
Tried unchecking "align icons to grid" and it made no difference.
Also tried unchecking "auto arrange icons" - no difference.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 22H2
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell XPS8940
    CPU
    i5-11400
    Memory
    8GB
    Hard Drives
    512GB M.2 PCIe NVMe
I have had that problem for years. It just happened again the other day.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    ASUS TUF Gaming A15 (2022)
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 7 6800H with Radeon 680M GPU (486MB RAM)
    Memory
    Micron DDR5-4800 (2400MHz) 16GB (2 x 8GB)
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA RTX 3060 Laptop (6GB RAM)
    Sound Card
    n/a
    Monitor(s) Displays
    15.6-inch
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080 300Hz
    Hard Drives
    2 x Samsung 980 (1TB M.2 NVME SSD)
    PSU
    n/a
    Mouse
    Wireless Mouse M510
    Internet Speed
    1200Mbps/250Mbps
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Malwarebytes
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom build
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 7 3700X
    Motherboard
    ASUS PRIME X370-PRO
    Memory
    G.SKILL Flare X 32GB (2x16GB) DDR4
    Graphics card(s)
    ASUS ROG-STRIX-RTX3060TI-08G-V2-GAMING (RTX 3060-Ti, 8GB RAM)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung S23A300B (23-in LED)
    Screen Resolution
    1080p 60Hz
    Hard Drives
    2TB XPG SX8200 Pro (M2. PCIe SSD) || 2TB Intel 660P (M2. PCIe SSD) ||
    PSU
    Corsair RM750x (750 watts)
    Case
    Cooler Master MasterCase 5
    Cooling
    Corsair H60 AIO water cooler
    Mouse
    Logitech K350 (wireless)
    Keyboard
    Logitech M510 (wireless)
    Internet Speed
    1200 Mbps down / 200 Mbps up
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge, Chrome
    Antivirus
    Malwarebytes (Premium)
    Other Info
    ASUS Blu-ray Burner BW-16D1HT (SATA) || Western Digital Elements 12TB USB 3.0 external hard drive used with Acronis True Image backup software || HP OfficeJet Pro 6975 Printer/Scanner
hsehestedt said:
Welcome to ElevenForum!

The best suggestion that I can give is to try turning off "Align icons to grid" like this:

Right click on the desktop, select view, uncheck Align icons to grid. Note that it is turned in the image below, you want to turn it off.

View attachment 57008
Click to expand...
Sadly (not really though) this doesn't solve the problem. I'm glad it didn't because I have OCD and can't take the off-grid placement of icons lol what a mess. I have literally never had this problem before until I did a new PC build and installed Windows 11 22H2. My previous build, an i7 7700k running windows 10 21H2 was perfectly fine. I don't get it.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    Ryzen 7950x3D
    Motherboard
    Asus B650E-F
    Memory
    64GB G-Skill DDR5 6000
    Graphics Card(s)
    RTX 4090 FE
    Sound Card
    Creative X-Fi Titanium
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Asus XG279Q
    Screen Resolution
    2560x1440
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 990 Pro 2TB + Western Digital 5TB 7200
    PSU
    EVGA 850w-T2 Titanium
    Case
    Cooler Master HAF X
    Cooling
    Noctua NH-D15
    Keyboard
    Logitech G815
    Mouse
    Logitech G502
    Internet Speed
    85/85 Fiber
    Browser
    Google Chrome
It sometimes does this for me. I have more icons on the desktop but the Rec Bin is always top left. When dragging a file or even copying and pasting it to the desktop the Rec Bin will be on the bottom of the desktop the next time I look.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Win 11 Pro & 🐥.
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    ASUS VivoBook
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 7 3700U with Radeon Vega Mobile Gfx
    Motherboard
    ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. X509DA (FP5)
    Memory
    12GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    RX Vega 10 Graphics
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Generic PnP Monitor (1920x1080@60Hz)
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080@60Hz
    Hard Drives
    Samsung SSD 970 EVO Plus 2TB NVMe 1.3
    Internet Speed
    25 Mbps
    Browser
    Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
  • Operating System
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    ACER NITRO
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 7 5800H / 3.2 GHz
    Motherboard
    CZ Scala_CAS (FP6)
    Memory
    32 GB DDR4 SDRAM 3200 MHz
    Graphics card(s)
    NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 6 GB GDDR6 SDRAM
    Sound Card
    Realtek Audio. NVIDIA High Definition Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    15.6" LED backlight 1920 x 1080 (Full HD) 144 Hz
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080 (Full HD)
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 970 Evo Plus 2TB NVMe M.2
    PSU
    180 Watt, 19.5 V
    Mouse
    Lenovo Bluetooth
    Internet Speed
    25 Mbps
    Browser
    Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
It's been happening for a long time, first time i noticed it was in W8 ! So i just never did try & figure why ?
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows11 23H2 (OS Build 22631.2428)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP HP ENVY TE01
    CPU
    2.90 gigahertz Intel Core i7-10700
    Motherboard
    Board: HP 8767 A (SMVB)
    Memory
    16214 Megabytes Usable Installed Memor
    Hard Drives
    1511.52 Gigabytes Usable Hard Drive Capacity
    1418.15 Gigabytes Hard Drive Free Space
    Keyboard
    Logitech wireless
    Mouse
    M 185 wireless
    Internet Speed
    12 ms Jitter 8 ms Download 10.5 Mbps Upload 1.7
    Browser
    Edge & FF
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
Try this to see if it makes a difference:
In settings>system>display make sure your display resolution is set to "recommended".
Right click on desktop, select personalize.
Select Themes and scroll down and select Desktop icon settings.
Near the bottom left of the Desktop Icon Settings dialog, uncheck Allow themes to change desktop icons. Click Apply and OK to exit.
Arrange icons how you want. Click F5 on keyboard.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 22631.3447
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Optiplex 7080
    CPU
    i9-10900 10 core 20 threads
    Motherboard
    DELL 0J37VM
    Memory
    32 gb
    Graphics Card(s)
    none-Intel UHD Graphics 630
    Sound Card
    Integrated Realtek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Benq 27
    Screen Resolution
    2560x1440
    Hard Drives
    1tb Solidigm m.2 +256gb ssd+512 gb usb m.2 sata
    PSU
    500w
    Case
    MT
    Cooling
    Dell Premium
    Keyboard
    Logitech wired
    Mouse
    Logitech wireless
    Internet Speed
    so slow I'm too embarrassed to tell
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Defender+MWB Premium
  • Operating System
    Windows 10 Pro 22H2 19045.3930
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Optiplex 9020
    CPU
    i7-4770
    Memory
    24 gb
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Benq 27
    Screen Resolution
    2560x1440
    Hard Drives
    256 gb Toshiba BG4 M.2 NVE SSB and 1 tb hdd
    PSU
    500w
    Case
    MT
    Cooling
    Dell factory
    Mouse
    Logitech wireless
    Keyboard
    Logitech wired
    Internet Speed
    still not telling
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Defender+MWB Premium
glasskuter said:
Try this to see if it makes a difference:
In settings>system>display make sure your display resolution is set to "recommended".
Right click on desktop, select personalize.
Select Themes and scroll down and select Desktop icon settings.
Near the bottom left of the Desktop Icon Settings dialog, uncheck Allow themes to change desktop icons. Click Apply and OK to exit.
Arrange icons how you want. Click F5 on keyboard.
Click to expand...
Sadly doesn't work.
I noticed the trigger that seems to cause this problem is when I save a file to the desktop then move the file's physical position on the desktop to someplace else, like to the middle or an opposite corner. Then the subsequent file save will go to just under the Recycling Bin.

What's weird is, before I installed Windows 11 22H2 and upgraded my PC from an i7 7700k to a Ryzen 7950x3D, I NEVER had this problem before. Either it's related to the new PC or Windows 11 22H2 for me.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    Ryzen 7950x3D
    Motherboard
    Asus B650E-F
    Memory
    64GB G-Skill DDR5 6000
    Graphics Card(s)
    RTX 4090 FE
    Sound Card
    Creative X-Fi Titanium
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Asus XG279Q
    Screen Resolution
    2560x1440
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 990 Pro 2TB + Western Digital 5TB 7200
    PSU
    EVGA 850w-T2 Titanium
    Case
    Cooler Master HAF X
    Cooling
    Noctua NH-D15
    Keyboard
    Logitech G815
    Mouse
    Logitech G502
    Internet Speed
    85/85 Fiber
    Browser
    Google Chrome
This problem was also widely reported for Windows 10 [and, I understand, earlier Windows versions].
Somebody suggested DesktopOK as a solution.
DesktopOK suggestion - AC post #33 - TenForums
At least one other member agreed that it solved the problem.


Best of luck,
Denis
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Home x64 Version 23H2 Build 22631.3447
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