Poll: Windows 11 - Love it or Hate It?

dbartenstein · Oct 21, 2022

Ghot said:
True. MS released Vista before the manufacturers released the hardware to run it.

Windows 8/8.1 was not designed for desktop computers. It was designed for Windows Phone, which failed.
Sure you could change it all back... but that was backwards.
It should have looked like Win 7 with the option to make it look like Win 8.

MS is making the same mistake with Win 11, IMO.

And only for Androids at that..... The "my phone" app doesn't talk to anything else.

Ghot · Oct 21, 2022

z3r010 said:
XP was an absolute unstable dog until SP2, which is odd as it was built on 2k, which was rock solid. Also, Vista was a great OS; the only people that had problems were the ones running it on too low-spec hardware.

I'm not disagreeing or rating OSes on intrinsic value.
I'm just grading them on historical insights.

barman58 · Oct 21, 2022

Well android does have most of the Smartphone Market world wide, more than 75% last figures I saw and apple is a closed system :wink:

Ghot · Oct 21, 2022

dbartenstein said:
And only for Androids at that..... The "my phone" app doesn't talk to anything else.

I think, in the long run... Android will win out. The reason... they're the most easy going. Less restrictions, less forcing their customers into a corner then milking them.

barman58 · Oct 21, 2022

The release of Vista was a strange one, the OEM Systems Manufacturers, had a huge Overstock of components and other hardware at the XP level and begged Microsoft to Lower the required Specification for Vista hardware. Microsoft lowered the specs to keep them happy, but a lot of OEM's never met the lowered specs :shush:

Ghot · Oct 21, 2022

Yep

barman58 said:
The release of Vista was a strange one, the OEM Systems Manufacturers, had a huge Overstock of components and other hardware at the XP level and begged Microsoft to Lower the required Specification for Vista hardware. Microsoft lowered the spects to keep them happy, but a lot of OEM's never met the lowered specs

Yep... it was a match made in h*ll.
I think it may even have been a bit of jockeying, to see who was stronger... MS or the manufacturers.

It's starting to happen again, what with TPM, Pluton, etc.
"All around the world, same song"

RD Mercer · Oct 21, 2022

kado897 said:
I wouldn't really classify W11 as bad, just not as good as W10.

You forgot W2000, IMO, is was the best yet.

barman58 · Oct 21, 2022

Win 2k brings back good memories - a good upgrade from the later NT range but better suited to office use XP was a step down in comparison. there is some similarity between them and the switch to W11 from W10, the base is the same but it's wearing a New suit of clothes

hdmi · Oct 21, 2022

Ghot said:
historical insights

Do you meaan hysterical insights?

Also, Windows 98 and Windows 98 Second Edition are missing from that list you quoted so not very historically accurate IMNSHO.

hdmi · Oct 21, 2022

RD Mercer said:
You forgot W2000, IMO, is was the best yet.

Yeah, but then I guess you could rule that one out for reasons similar to why Windows NT also doesn't belong in there.

SlicEnDicE · Oct 21, 2022

z3r010 said:
Vista was a great OS; the only people that had problems were the ones running it on too low-spec hardware.

I agree...I tried Vista several years after it got released and by then I had much more powerful hardware. It ran great.

z3r010 · Oct 21, 2022

Speaking of Vista - VF was 17 years old last week :scream:

Ghot · Oct 21, 2022

hdmi said:
Do you meaan hysterical insights? Also, Windows 98 and Windows 98 Second Edition are missing from that list you quoted so not very historically accurate IMNSHO.

Ah yes, but even added it still fits the pattern...

Win 95 = bad
Win 95 OSR = great
Win 98 = bad
Win 98 SE = great
Win ME = bad
Win XP = great
Win Vista = bad
Win 7 = great
Win 8/8.1 = bad
Win 10 = great
Win 11 = bad
Win 12 = ???

z3r010 · Oct 21, 2022

Ghot said:
Ah yes, but even added it still fits the pattern...

But your pattern is absolute nonsense, a lot of the ones you have marked bad were good and OS's like 2k have been missed.

hdmi · Oct 21, 2022

barman58 said:
Win 2k brings back good memories - a good upgrade from the later NT range but better suited to office use XP was a step down in comparison. there is some similarity between them and the switch to W11 from W10, the base is the same but it's wearing a New suit of clothes

I'm sure not too many people are aware of this, but... similar to all that went before it, Windows 2000 was inherently not secure, and neither was Windows NT (any version of Windows NT, that is). As a matter of fact, on the Windows platform, the whole notion of security was made impossible by design until Windows XP SP3 came out. The reason why Vista felt rigid right out of the box with all the default security settings that it had, much to the point of it being downright user unfriendly according to many, along with a significant lack in performance optimizations, was also because of this (at least in part). If you were a gamer, not a whole lot was to be gained from Vista and DirectX 10 compared to staying on XP. By the time the hardware had finally caught up and started to become more affordable, enough to make Vista truly shine, W7 was already on the horizon.

kado897 · Oct 21, 2022

z3r010 said:
Speaking of Vista - VF was 17 years old last week

Congratulations John. Never joined VF, but I think I've joined all the rest. They really are the best computer help sites on the web.

kado897 · Oct 21, 2022

Ghot said:
Ah yes, but even added it still fits the pattern...

Win 95 = bad
Win 95 OSR = great
Win 98 = bad
Win 98 SE = great
Win ME = bad
Win XP = great
Win Vista = bad
Win 7 = great
Win 8/8.1 = bad
Win 10 = great
Win 11 = bad
Win 12 = ???

You could add Win 3.1 good in front of that.

barman58 · Oct 21, 2022

hdmi said:
I'm sure not too many people are aware of this, but... similar to all that went before it, Windows 2000 was inherently not secure, and neither was Windows NT (any version of Windows NT, that is). As a matter of fact, on the Windows platform, the whole notion of security was made impossible by design until Windows XP SP3 came out. The reason why Vista felt rigid right out of the box with all the default security settings that it had, much to the point of it being downright user unfriendly according to many, along with a significant lack in performance optimizations, was also because of this (at least in part). If you were a gamer, not a whole lot was to be gained from Vista and DirectX 10 compared to staying on XP. By the time the hardware had finally caught up and started to become more affordable, enough to make Vista truly shine, W7 was already on the horizon.

I agree but at that time the internet was not a major thing to worry about - Windows across that period was as secure as the rest of the industry - Security had more to do with physical access - and protection against data theft was based around Locked doors and backup tapes - well, in the companies I worked with :wink:

Ghot · Oct 21, 2022

There was a jewelry store in the Mall. It had two shadow box window displays on it's front wall.
One day, in the early 70's... there it was, the first digital watch, the Pulsar.

It cost a fortune, had a dark maroon watch crystal, and a 4 digit display for the time.
Due to the energy required to light the numbers, the time display was off by default.
There was a button on the right side, and just the slightest pressure, lit up that glorious display.
At that time it cost approx. $2,800

Every time we went to the Mall, we'd walk past that display. One time I said to my sister... "Check this out, all you need to do is press the button and the time appears". My sister replied: "All I have to do is look at mine".

My innocent heart was crushed. Since that day, there has been no technological advance that has truly impressed me.
I was never the same afterwards. Occasionally, I remind my sister of the psychological scarring, her comment caused.