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[Josey Wales]

I can't seem to connect to distrowatch.com? I was able to yesterday. Anyone else have this issue?

 

[Josey Wales]

I can't seem to connect to distrowatch.com? I was able to yesterday. Anyone else have this issue?

It is down

 

[jimbo45]

I can't seem to connect to distrowatch.com? I was able to yesterday. Anyone else have this issue?

Seems back now (Am using firefox browser) .



cheers
jimbo

 

[Josey Wales]

I still can't get on it using 3 different including Linux.

 

[Josey Wales]

I get this now but if I hit try again I get there?? I think it has something to do with certificates? Any help will be appreciated.

 

[ProgEngi]

I will agree with disagreeing

as he has so old computer, Legacy install is king and it is on the edge if he has Uefi bios or not.. intel 3rd. gen.. My 4th gen has Uefi, but not my 2nd gen... I always use Legacy as then you dont have to worry about windows updates screws up the Uefi boot order.

Installing dualboot on one harddrive, Yeah windows first Linux second... Installing on separate drives.. I still install windows first.. And OS Prober is disabled by default in Debian12 and in a lot of forks of debian.. so you need to un-hash os prober in Grub to make update grub detect other OS's.. and if you dont want to see annoying Recovery as OS alternative in Grub boot menu, you need to add a os prober skip list.
So best is to have the two totally separated/isolated and use Bios boot menu.
from win10 and newer windows really suck with dualbooting as Microsoft really do want a single system on every PC.

And on modern PC with need of UEFI, then i agree... But i still try to isolate them with separate bootloaders if it is a multi disk system.. if one disk fail, you can always boot in on the other one.




*smiling* computers is fun..... mmm..Yeah it was.. now it ain't.*lol*

I have never liked Ubuntu, but that is not because of Canonical.. i just dont like Ubuntu of some unexplained reason.. Just a gut feeling.
as for Redhat.. Yeah, IBM did a bad thing destroying CentOS and then now trying to half close-source it so Alma and Rocky etc cant do a 1:1 build.. as they want money for their product, as Microsoft and Apple wants for their OS's .. That IBM play is still in motion though, so it has to wait and see what the final outcome will become
I still think Redhat is a great Server OS.. The right tool for the right job and you can still get Redhat for free as a private person up to 16servers i think it is....a lot of people that are fighting the global warming thing, is still driving cars, as they need the tool for their jobs and have a working life.. The same is with Linux.. If you need a reliable server and support, you go with Redhat, even CentOS will be missed..
But this is an open source community debate, and if you dont care about Microsoft, Logitech, adobe etc using closed source, so why care about Linux distros that might become closed source in the future.
One thing that big company's is focusing on is GUI's and user friendliness.. and they have a bigger developer team.... Yeah Linux community combined has more developers them Microsoft etc... But Linux distros is not working in teams.. You have 10people on that distro.. then you have 5 on that distro and 20 on that distro.. That is The linux desktop bigest weakness. And i wrote about that on MintForum.




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So caring about Canonical and IBM is a political fight, that has nothing to do with learning linux...
So use Mint as starting point even it has roots in to ubuntu is a good thing, as it is more userfriendly.. Then when getting a feel for it, move to LMDE and then later Debian.. Distrojumping is a bad thing as a newbe as you dont get a coherent experience to start learning from.

In the end you will learn Linux is linux and distributions doesn't matter.. You only have a few distros, Debian, Arch, Rhel, etc. The rest is just forks.. or in windowish.. Just different bloatware and theming.

Few questions – more to come

System Exceeds Minimum System Requirements Except Video Card

Video Memory for Reasonable performance
128 MB dedicated memory (Xfce)
256 MB dedicated memory (Cinnamon and MATE)

Video Memory for Smooth performance
512 MB dedicated memory

Adapter Information:
Intel Graphics 4000 with below properties
Bios Information: Intel Video BIOS
Total Available Graphics Memory: 1792 MB
Dedicated Video Memory: 32 MB
System Video Memory: 0 MB
Shared System Memory: 1670 MB

Q1) What’s your say – LM 21.2 Cinnamon will work?
Q2) Installation sequence two separate drives LM & W11
Q3) …

Reading over and again Easy Linux Tips Project

 

[jimbo45]

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I get this now but if I hit try again I get there?? I think it has something to do with certificates? Any help will be appreciated.

You must have something in a firewall or other "blocked site". For me it´s working OK --just tried it in firefox on Windows. See what happens if you google distrowatch.com and click on the google link.

Cheers
jimbo

 

[Josey Wales]

You must have something in a firewall or other "blocked site". For me it´s working OK --just tried it in firefox on Windows. See what happens if you google distrowatch.com and click on the google link.

Cheers
jimbo

It is working fine now, it was an issue with my DNS setup.

 

[jimbo45]

It is working fine now, it was an issue with my DNS setup.

glad all fixed
have a great new year.

Cheers
jimbo

 

[ProgEngi]

Few questions – more to come

System Exceeds Minimum System Requirements Except Video Card

Video Memory for Reasonable performance
128 MB dedicated memory (Xfce)
256 MB dedicated memory (Cinnamon and MATE)

Video Memory for Smooth performance
512 MB dedicated memory

Adapter Information:
Intel Graphics 4000 with below properties
Bios Information: Intel Video BIOS
Total Available Graphics Memory: 1792 MB
Dedicated Video Memory: 32 MB
System Video Memory: 0 MB
Shared System Memory: 1670 MB

Q1) What’s your say – LM 21.2 Cinnamon will work?
Q2) Installation sequence two separate drives LM & W11
Q3) …

Reading over and again Easy Linux Tips Project

Drifting from the thread topic…

Why the URL didn’t redirect to correct page above " Easy Linux Tips Project"?

 

[martyfelker]

Since this was addressed to the Linux Community, I will tell you that almost any Linux distro is "better" than Windows 11. Why? Because it will not be proprietary and will not inform you that the Windows license you just bought can be installed on any number of machines but only ONE at a time. I use Linux Multi=Writer to burn ISOs to USB (it works just as well as Rufus). I just found and burned Fedora Silverblue Rawhide, which has the latest kernel - i.e., 6.7.0 rc8. I've also installed kernel 6.6.9 on Debian, which is on my smaller HD. But I happen to get bored. Unless I have the latest kernel. Height ho.

Cheers

 

[cereberus]

Since this was addressed to the Linux Community, I will tell you that almost any Linux distro is "better" than Windows 11. Why? Because it will not be proprietary and will not inform you that the Windows license you just bought can be installed on any number of machines but only ONE at a time. I use Linux Multi=Writer to burn ISOs to USB (it works just as well as Rufus). I just found and burned Fedora Silverblue Rawhide, which has the latest kernel - i.e., 6.7.0 rc8. I've also installed kernel 6.6.9 on Debian, which is on my smaller HD. But I happen to get bored. Unless I have the latest kernel. Height ho.

Cheers

Sorry but as we all know an OS's most important feature is to run apps and the vast majority of decent apps only run on Windows pc.

If Linux suits you fine, but do not kid yourself it is remotely close to being a realistic desktop alternative to the vast majority of pc users.

Linux has it place e.g. servers but it is not and will not ever be a realustic substitution for Windows for vast majority of users.

The main reason Linux will never take off as windows substitute is the fact that it is so fragmented between many different distros and thet are not 100% compatible.

In simple terms, you get what you pay for.

 

[Josey Wales]

Sorry but as we all know an OS's most important feature is to run apps and the vast majority of decent apps only run on Windows pc.

If Linux suits you fine, but do not kid yourself it is remotely close to being a realistic desktop alternative to the vast majority of pc users.

Linux has it place e.g. servers but it is not and will not ever be a realustic substitution for Windows for vast majority of users.

The main reason Linux will never take off as windows substitute is the fact that it is so fragmented between many different distros and thet are not 100% compatible.

In simple terms, you get what you pay for.

Life is full of choices. Windows has deteriorated over the years into Bloatware, I do not game any more so all I need is a OS that will permit me to install a Browser of my choice and not spy on me. It is strange That EDGE knows the medication that I am on even though I do not use EDGE and never will. The problem is that I have way too much money invested in a PC that will run Windows. I currently use MX-Linux 23.1 on an Intel NUC and it works great. One day when I really have had enough of Windows 11 , I may switch to Linux.

 

[cereberus]

Life is full of choices. Windows has deteriorated over the years into Bloatware, I do not game any more so all I need is a OS that will permit me to install a Browser of my choice and not spy on me. It is strange That EDGE knows the medication that I am on even though I do not use EDGE and never will. The problem is that I have way too much money invested in a PC that will run Windows. I currently use MX-Linux 23.1 on an Intel NUC and it works great. One day when I really have had enough of Windows 11 , I may switch to Linux.

Sure - my reply was to the statement in italics below - this was purely a personal opinion by poster. Of course any Linux user would agree, so comment is rather rhetorical.

Linux (which does not really exist - it is just a generic name) may be free but limited in what apps will run on it. Just because it is non proprietrary does not make it better!

In fact, even amongst Windows users, the "I want an app that does x, y, z for free" mentality is pervasive. Imagined if a user had a craft shop with items they produced - do you thinj they would be happy when I go in and say I want x, y, z items for free.

I actually pay for major apps with premium versions which I use e.g. Macrium Reflect, Aimersoft Video Suite, PDFSAM, MS Office etc.
In part, this is for altruistic reasons as developers should be rewarded but mostly because if you want quaility, you have to pay for it.

As for spying, that old chestnut is so tedious now.


Since this was addressed to the Linux Community, I will tell you that almost any Linux distro is "better" than Windows 11. Why? Because it will not be proprietary and will not inform you that the Windows license you just bought can be installed on any number of machines but only ONE at a time.

 

[Josey Wales]

As for spying, that old chestnut is so tedious now.

I do not think so. I take Metroprolol (Toprol) so I guess it was just a coincidence that the Widget had a Popup for that drug?? I also pay for all of my apps, another reason that I won't be switching to Linux or Unix based Distro any time soon, at least not as my Primary OS on my main machine.

 

[cereberus]

I do not think so. I take Metroprolol (Toprol) so I guess it was just a coincidence that the Widget had a Popup for that drug?? I also pay for all of my apps, another reason that I won't be switching to Linux or Unix based Distro any time soon, at least not as my Primary OS on my main machine.

There is a big difference between spying (data being collected for nefarious uses e.g. robbing accounts) and targeted ads (annoying but not nefarious).

Android is 10x worse at targeted ad popups. On my mobile phone, I use adblockers but a lot of sites then get barred.

Windows is nowhere near as bad (apart from TEMU ads which are incredibly pervasive).

Everbody says Linux does not have such issues. That is only because number of users is too low to make it worth the effort for the adware brigade to do anything. If numbers grow, sooner or later, Linux will go the same way.

When going through oobe, I always turn off targeted ads though.

 

[jimbo45]

Hi folks
Nothing wrong with Windows being the preferred desktop for most (non Macbook) PC users - and with good reason --it runs on almost every conceivable piece of hardware with all levels of users, it's stood the test of time, runs pretty well anything most typical users want straight out of the box and it "just works".

I prefer Linux as I like mean lean machines but anyone even on the easiest automated distros have to do a bit of work - most just want to turn their machine on and do whatever they have to do. Some things windows are still the mandatory choice -- if you use EXCEL as a power user then no other office suite even comes close. As more software becomes subscription based for the things I need to do I can invariably find an open source package that does the job -- -- and many times I compile from the source code usually obtainable from github. But most people would find this a chore even if they knew how to do it.

For servers, file storage,as a NAS, any sort of networking and flexibility Linux can't be beaten -- Windows servers while excellent are hideously expensive (although professional I.T consultant service on Linux servers isn't that cheap either). TCO though on Linux servers is hugely cheaper which is why many SME's use them -- and cloud providers use a mix of Linux amd Windows.

Most Windows problems that are on the boards - real though they are aren't experienced by typical home users.

I'd suggest though that if people have an interest in Linux they earn by using a VM -- Linux can run with very few resources so a decent machine could run several concurrently giving people the chance to compare.

There's no way that Linux will replace Windows as the preferred desktop unless Ms goes totally bonkers with the next few windows releases / updates -- especially if forcing people to run on newer and newer hardware when hardware even 2 years old is perfectly adequate.

As for old hardware - I'm still using as a NAS an HP Gen 8 proliant Microserver which is around 16 years old and only BIOS / MBR-- while it has USB 3 ports it can only boot from the USB 2 ones including an internal micro SD card. USB 3 access occurs after the kernel is loaded. I run the OS from an SSD which I replaced into the sata DVD slot (who needs a physical DVD on a server !!). Any sort of Linux runs on this without problems.

Cheers
and "Happy - with less frustrating Windowing in 2024 "-- and shouldn't 24H1 be apperaing soon -- I'm still seeing 22H2 stuff.

jimbo

 

[cereberus]

Hi folks
Nothing wrong with Windows being the preferred desktop for most (non Macbook) PC users - and with good reason --it runs on almost every conceivable piece of hardware with all levels of users, it's stood the test of time, runs pretty well anything most typical users want straight out of the box and it "just works".

I prefer Linux as I like mean lean machines but anyone even on the easiest automated distros have to do a bit of work - most just want to turn their machine on and do whatever they have to do. Some things windows are still the mandatory choice -- if you use EXCEL as a power user then no other office suite even comes close. As more software becomes subscription based for the things I need to do I can invariably find an open source package that does the job -- -- and many times I compile from the source code usually obtainable from github. But most people would find this a chore even if they knew how to do it.

For servers, file storage,as a NAS, any sort of networking and flexibility Linux can't be beaten -- Windows servers while excellent are hideously expensive (although professional I.T consultant service on Linux servers isn't that cheap either). TCO though on Linux servers is hugely cheaper which is why many SME's use them -- and cloud providers use a mix of Linux amd Windows.

Most Windows problems that are on the boards - real though they are aren't experienced by typical home users.

I'd suggest though that if people have an interest in Linux they earn by using a VM -- Linux can run with very few resources so a decent machine could run several concurrently giving people the chance to compare.

There's no way that Linux will replace Windows as the preferred desktop unless Ms goes totally bonkers with the next few windows releases / updates -- especially if forcing people to run on newer and newer hardware when hardware even 2 years old is perfectly adequate.

As for old hardware - I'm still using as a NAS an HP Gen 8 proliant Microserver which is around 16 years old and only BIOS / MBR-- while it has USB 3 ports it can only boot from the USB 2 ones including an internal micro SD card. USB 3 access occurs after the kernel is loaded. I run the OS from an SSD which I replaced into the sata DVD slot (who needs a physical DVD on a server !!). Any sort of Linux runs on this without problems.

Cheers
and "Happy - with less frustrating Windowing in 2024 "-- and shouldn't 24H1 be apperaing soon -- I'm still seeing 22H2 stuff.

jimbo

Good and fair summation.

 

[Josey Wales]

There is a big difference between spying (data being collected for nefarious uses e.g. robbing accounts) and targeted ads (annoying but not nefarious).

Android is 10x worse at targeted ad popups. On my mobile phone, I use adblockers but a lot of sites then get barred.

Windows is nowhere near as bad (apart from TEMU ads which are incredibly pervasive).

Everbody says Linux does not have such issues. That is only because number of users is too low to make it worth the effort for the adware brigade to do anything. If numbers grow, sooner or later, Linux will go the same way.

When going through oobe, I always turn off targeted ads though.

Yes , I did not mean Spying in a Nefarious way , but collecting user data through telemetry.

 

[martyfelker]

After further work in the wee hours, you might try Rhino Linux, which I have installed on my nv drive (256 GB) instead of Debian. It quickly allowed me to install Kernel 6.7 using its new rhino-pkg program. Check it out dudes and ladies.

Cheers