What would you like to see in Windows 12?

Mark Phelps · Feb 22, 2022

I like the Time Machine idea the best -- as it would be built into Windows. I use Macrium Reflect to do this, but folks have to KNOW about this and they have to take steps to make the image backup. Would be better if the OS simply did this for them.

larrydonline · Feb 28, 2022

I just want them to make ALT.+TAB work like it did in Windows 10. They've messed it so that I now have to switch between programs at least twice before I can use either one. With the first execution of ALT.+TAB I only get some bell sound when I try to type in the program that opens. After going back to the previous one and executing ALT.+TAB a second time I can then type in the program that opens. But every switch results in the same inability to type until I repeat it a second time. This got old on day one. It never worked this way in Win 10.

ShamrockRig · Mar 1, 2022

larrydonline said:
I just want them to make ALT.+TAB work like it did in Windows 10. They've messed it so that I now have to switch between programs at least twice before I can use either one. With the first execution of ALT.+TAB I only get some bell sound when I try to type in the program that opens. After going back to the previous one and executing ALT.+TAB a second time I can then type in the program that opens. But every switch results in the same inability to type until I repeat it a second time. This got old on day one. It never worked this way in Win 10.

It doesn't work like that for me, ALT-TAB just works like it used to over here

TheMystic · Mar 1, 2022

larrydonline said:
I just want them to make ALT.+TAB work like it did in Windows 10. They've messed it so that I now have to switch between programs at least twice before I can use either one. With the first execution of ALT.+TAB I only get some bell sound when I try to type in the program that opens. After going back to the previous one and executing ALT.+TAB a second time I can then type in the program that opens. But every switch results in the same inability to type until I repeat it a second time. This got old on day one. It never worked this way in Win 10.

This isn't Windows 11 problem. I think you have something interfering with that keyboard combination. Check your hotkey settings, including any you may have set for 3rd party programs.

Ser0o8 · Mar 1, 2022

bill@7 said:
if they are working on window 12 that means to say that window 11 is rubbish they got you again.

Windows 12 is just a hoax, someone made a joke on Twitter and after a while they deleted it.

larrydonline · Mar 1, 2022

I'm eager to try anything to solve this problem. By hot keys do you mean keyboard shortcuts? The only one I use that isn't part of the OS is CTRL+ALT+S to activate the screen saver, which is a registry hack I installed. If that's causing a problem I would take it out, but I don't how to cancel it. It's been on the system since way before Win. 11 was installed.

Haydon · Mar 1, 2022

What I would like to see in Windows 12?

Lower prices

TheMystic · Mar 2, 2022

larrydonline said:
I'm eager to try anything to solve this problem. By hot keys do you mean keyboard shortcuts? The only one I use that isn't part of the OS is CTRL+ALT+S to activate the screen saver, which is a registry hack I installed. If that's causing a problem I would take it out, but I don't how to cancel it. It's been on the system since way before Win. 11 was installed.

Yes, keyboard combination.

That registry hack could be causing the problem, assuming there is absolutely nothing else that is responsible.

The reason I'm saying this is because I haven't seen this problem in any of my Windows 11 installation. And haven't seen others complaining about it either.

meimeiriver · Mar 2, 2022

jvickers said:
The read only partition makes sense. The others do too, but I like #3.

Actually, the read only partition makes no sense at all. Good luck running your weekly Updates. The OS needs to constantly be updated and/or install things to like Program Files. Of course, this could all be moved to a separate data partition, but then all you really did, is create half-an-OS on a read-only partition, and the other half, equally needed to run, on a data partition.

TheMystic · Mar 2, 2022

meimeiriver said:
Actually, the read only partition makes no sense at all. Good luck running your weekly Updates. The OS needs to constantly be updated and/or install things to like Program Files. Of course, this could all be moved to a separate data partition, but then all you really did, is create half-an-OS on a read-only partition, and the other half, equally needed to run, on a data partition.

The idea behind that is to keep critical operating system files safe from malware or unintended changes. Even in the worst case scenario, you will still be able to boot into your computer and get work done without factory reset. The design would prevent/ limit malware from locking you out.

Do note that it is read-only for all, except the OS itself.

jvickers · Mar 2, 2022

TheMystic said:
Do note that it is read-only for all, except the OS itself.

This is the key idea to understand I don't think the other person realizes. I just put a "Wow" face (wish it were a sarcastic Wow face) in response. I was hoping it would get across my point. Probably failed miserably, though.

meimeiriver · Mar 2, 2022

TheMystic said:
The idea behind that is to keep critical operating system files safe from malware or unintended changes. Even in the worst case scenario, you will still be able to boot into your computer and get work done without factory reset. The design would prevent/ limit malware from locking you out.

Do note that it is read-only for all, except the OS itself.

Well, what was said, was:

The Operating System should be installed in a separate READ-ONLY partition, and all programs and their data should be installed in another partition.

Didn't read anything about 'except the OS itself.'

dbartenstein · Mar 2, 2022

Mark Phelps said:
I like the Time Machine idea the best -- as it would be built into Windows. I use Macrium Reflect to do this, but folks have to KNOW about this and they have to take steps to make the image backup. Would be better if the OS simply did this for them.

Wouldn't this be pretty close to the Windows 7 Backup/Restore that Microsoft has been trying to get away from for years?

mackie · Mar 2, 2022

The only thing I would like to see in the future (whether it's Windows 12 or Windows 11 continued) is for Microsoft to give the millions upon millions of devices that do not meet the harsh hardware requirements the option to install the new software or not. That would be with the stipulation that you would not get the full range of functions if you installed on unsupported devices. That you may have to rely on third-party software or something else for things like enhanced security or whatever is dependent on the new hardware requirements. I would be ok with that and would tick that option for my devices in a minute. That's the wishful thinking here.

TheMystic · Mar 2, 2022

meimeiriver said:
Well, what was said, was:

The Operating System should be installed in a separate READ-ONLY partition, and all programs and their data should be installed in another partition.

Didn't read anything about 'except the OS itself.'

That is pretty obvious, and I don't think it required explicit mention.

This is how it is since macOS Catalina and it is a very good design from a security perspective. macOS too gets it's regular updates, even if it is not a weekly one.

TheMystic · Mar 2, 2022

dbartenstein said:
Wouldn't this be pretty close to the Windows 7 Backup/Restore that Microsoft has been trying to get away from for years?

The only reason I can think of as to why Microsoft would try to get away from something as basic as backup is the way it was implemented. The key to its success is how simple it is.

With Time Machine, it is just one click to backup and 2 clicks to restore.

TheMystic · Mar 2, 2022

mackie said:
The only thing I would like to see in the future (whether it's Windows 12 or Windows 11 continued) is for Microsoft to give the millions upon millions of devices that do not meet the harsh hardware requirements the option to install the new software or not. That would be with the stipulation that you would not get the full range of functions if you installed on unsupported devices. That you may have to rely on third-party software or something else for things like enhanced security or whatever is dependent on the new hardware requirements. I would be ok with that and would tick that option for my devices in a minute. That's the wishful thinking here.

Microsoft intends to make the experience uniform and secure. Unlike Apple which also makes its own hardware, Microsoft cannot ensure the experience is the same without putting in place the required restrictions.

Those who are inclined to bypass the restrictions and still install Windows 11 (and newer) can find 3rd party tools to get it done. But such users are less than 1% of the entire userbase.

larrydonline · Mar 4, 2022

I removed my hot keys for turning screen off but that's made no difference in how ALT.+TAB works. Even using such a simple process as typing into Outlook's email program and taking data from another program. When I go back to Outlook I can not type until I've made the ALT.+TAB switch back to the data page and then back to Outlook a second time.

When I try to type after the first switch I hear bells whenever I press the keyboard. And often this screen below overlays itself on the Outlook page. I have no idea where it's coming from or what it means.

When I went to paste it to this message Forums balked and said there was a security threat. Yeah, I just tried it again and this Forum definitely doesn't like it. It just a series of letters inside blocks that means nothing to me. If it's a virus of some kind Malwarbytes and Windows Defender doesn't see it as such or doesn't find it. Any advice?

To try and be clearer what I was trying to paste in this message is a screen capture of the offending letters. Since I can't post the screen picture I'll write down what the letters are and add it to this message next time it comes up.

larrydonline · Mar 7, 2022

Here's what pops up on screen when I use ALT+TAB:
AZ X FF FS FG FK U N E W
AQ C 1 2 3 11 FC AL AC AR AO AI H
V FP AB M AF 12 AS L1 D C2 L2
FO FN OP

That exact sequence often repeats. Other times it shows:
Q Z8
F H JS O V E Y1 Y2 G
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9

A screen capture of the characters could not be posted as this Forum said it was a Security Threat. Can anyone offer some explanation as to what is going on in my computer? I don't even know where to start in investigating what program is responsible. It does look a little like some computer language.

While those numbers and letters are visible I can do nothing with the computer. When I repeat ALT+TAB they go away, only to return a couple times later of using ALT+TAB. This has been going on for a couple months or at least since I updated to Windows 11. I removed the registry hack I had for making the screen go dark using CONT+ALT+S. It made no difference. That's the only change I've ever made to the registry. I updated to
21H2 20000.527 last week but the strange behavior with ALT+TAB continues.

meimeiriver · Mar 7, 2022

larrydonline said:
Here's what pops up on screen when I use ALT+TAB:
AZ X FF FS FG FK U N E W
AQ C 1 2 3 11 FC AL AC AR AO AI H
V FP AB M AF 12 AS L1 D C2 L2
FO FN OP

That exact sequence often repeats. Other times it shows:
Q Z8
F H JS O V E Y1 Y2 G
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9

A screen capture of the characters could not be posted as this Forum said it was a Security Threat.