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andrew129260 · Apr 26, 2024

Scannerman said:
Most older PCs will still satisfy the needs and requirements of the average domestic end user. I don't really think that's such a bad thing.

I can agree with that, but there is a difference of opinion I guess of what is actually old. I consider an 8th gen I5 to be old, but still pretty decent. There are a lot of older machines that can run windows 11 just fine and meet the requirements. You don't need anything fancy. I just think when you get close to 10 years old it needs to be recycled.

Bree · Apr 26, 2024

andrew129260 said:
I consider an 8th gen I5 to be old..... I just think when you get close to 10 years old it needs to be recycled.

I don't. An 8th gen i5 is a supported cpu for Windows 11, and will run 24H2 without issues as it has the SSE4.2 instruction set.

Now my System Two with its 1st gen i5, that is old (2010 vintage) - still can run 24H2 though :wink:

RD Mercer · Apr 26, 2024

andrew129260 said:
I can agree with that, but there is a difference of opinion I guess of what is actually old. I consider an 8th gen I5 to be old,

Heck, I'm and early 50's gen. I'm way ahead, not many cores, not much memory, but lots of threads holding me together.

Scannerman · Apr 26, 2024

Bree said:
I don't. An 8th gen i5 is a supported cpu for Windows 11, and will run 24H2 without issues as it has the SSE4.2 instruction set.

Now my System Two with its 1st gen i5, that is old (2010 vintage) - still can run 24H2 though

Probably depends on the platform. I tried putting Win 11 24H2 (without the tweaks) on an old Acer i5 2nd gen recently and it wasn't compliant. I haven't tried this with an X58 platform yet but I know it'll run Win 11 with a little TLC because I've done it at least three times on three different units.

Bree · Apr 26, 2024

Scannerman said:
Probably depends on the platform. I tried putting Win 11 24H2 (without the tweaks) on an old Acer i5 2nd gen recently and it wasn't compliant.

My System Two runs 24H2 surprisingly well on its 1st gen i5, it does help that I've upgraded its RAM from 4GB to 8GB and replaced its HDD with an SSD. I have a fully supported Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1 with a Pentium Silver N5030 that's hardly any faster.

andrew129260 · Apr 26, 2024

true. It all depends what your doing on the machine. I said an 8th i5 is still pretty decent, but it is old. I have one as my plex server, runs fantastic. Came out in 2017, 7 years ago. Yeah running a 1st gen i5 is pretty crazy ha. But hey if it works for what you need it to do that's awesome. I just think when you got a cpu pushing 10+ years it's time to be retired. A decade is a long time in computing. But of course if you can find creative uses for it that's awesome. I am mainly talking about a primary machine. There is just a lot of older machines you can pickup for next to nothing that are 8th gen or higher that can run circles around a 1st gen.

antspants · Apr 26, 2024

andrew129260 said:
an 8th i5 is still pretty decent

My System One: Intel Core i7-4770K CPU @ 3.50GHz is a 4th Gen
I’m still really happy with it. (Until I’m not that is) I’m being patient with buying anything. The longer I wait, or am allowed to wait, the better it will be, I suspect.

andrew129260 · Apr 26, 2024

antspants said:
My System One: Intel Core i7-4770K CPU @ 3.50GHz is a 4th Gen
I’m still really happy with it. (Until I’m not that is) I’m being patient with buying anything. The longer I wait, or am allowed to wait, the better it will be, I suspect.

That's also a core i7 so it was a really good processor when it came out. It also depends on how fast it was at time of release of course. A celeron from that era would be horrible. But yeah I was used to the dial up days and I remember how slow everything was back then in general. It is amazing how far we have come. I still am amazed how the older processors still hold up. Just depends what your needs are. When I purchase a laptop I buy something way over what I need so that it lasts me a long time.

I never thought a gaming laptop could have insane power and get 8 hour battery life. But it's so possible now and it's crazy. I am also excited to see what ARM does. That's going to possibly be a huge game changer down the road.

antspants · Apr 26, 2024

andrew129260 said:
I never thought a gaming laptop could have insane power and get 8 hour battery life.

You know what? When people call me and ask what laptop to buy, which I hate being asked because research is now almost impossible with the amount of laptops available, I just say “Buy a gaming laptop” because any laptop that can run the resource intensive games they make now, could run anything.

BamaInArk · Apr 26, 2024

TechnoMage2021 said:
Well, I sort of thought that too, but, the ISO I used does not reboot two or three times. Only once at the end of the install, and that's where the failure comes in.

Odd! I just created an ISO from the latest 24H2 at UUPDump. Used Rufus to create a bootable flash drive. Installed clean on my test bench. It rebooted twice before getting to the point of applying the OOBE bypass where it rebooted again.

ian50 · Apr 26, 2024

@BamaInArk

Interesting comment on installing 24H2.

What specs for your test bench pls ?

Does the installation now run and reboot as normal ok ?

Have you found any issues with your existing USB external boot drives now ?

BamaInArk · Apr 26, 2024

ian50 said:
@BamaInArk

Interesting comment on installing 24H2.

What specs for your test bench pls ?

Does the installation now run and reboot as normal ok ?

Have you found any issues with your existing USB external boot drives now ?

Asus TUF Z690-Plus Wifi motherboard using a i7-12700k, 32 GB DDR5 memory. Install reboots fine but I haven't installed any drivers. Not sure what issue I might expect from the USB drive. I'm going to install clean again. The new/updated Win11 installer if VERY different than previous versions. Completely new UI. Even the bootable flash drive shows as available during the install process.

andrew129260 · Apr 26, 2024

BamaInArk said:
Asus TUF Z690-Plus Wifi motherboard using a i7-12700k, 32 GB DDR5 memory. Install reboots fine but I haven't installed any drivers. Not sure what issue I might expect from the USB drive. I'm going to install clean again. The new/updated Win11 installer if VERY different than previous versions. Completely new UI. Even the bootable flash drive shows as available during the install process.

I really hope that doesnt break my unattended installs.

ian50 · Apr 26, 2024

@BamaInArk

Thanks for your reply - interesting info, first comment I've seen on 24H2 clean install experience.

I'm going to install clean again

Hope you could keep this thread (or a new one) up to date as you go through this. Sure, I could try this on one of my three laptops and may at some point, but collecting info from other's experience is sensible, I think, so I'm grateful for your comments.

Bree · Apr 26, 2024

BamaInArk said:
The new/updated Win11 installer if VERY different than previous versions. Completely new UI.

Yes, I've seen that too. Have you spotted that it has an option to switch back to the previous version of Setup with the old traditional UI?

BamaInArk · Apr 26, 2024

I've got to rebuild my install flash drive to test on incompatible hardware.

BamaInArk · Apr 26, 2024

Bree said:
Yes, I've seen that too. Have you spotted that it has an option to switch back to the previous version of Setup with the old traditional UI?

View attachment 94563

Sorry hadn't noticed that little nugget. Something else to try now. Uggggg!

Bree · Apr 26, 2024

BamaInArk said:
I've got to rebuild my install flash drive to test on incompatible hardware.

I don't bother to modify the flash drive, I just use Shift+F10 to open a command prompt and run this little batch file.
(unless you count copying the batch file to the flash drive a 'modification')

Batch:

reg add HKLM\System\Setup\LabConfig /v BypassTPMCheck /t reg_dword /d 0x00000001 /f
reg add HKLM\System\Setup\LabConfig /v BypassSecureBootCheck /t reg_dword /d 0x00000001 /f
reg add HKLM\System\Setup\LabConfig /v BypassRAMCheck /t reg_dword /d 0x00000001 /f
reg add HKLM\System\Setup\LabConfig /v BypassStorageCheck /t reg_dword /d 0x00000001 /f
reg add HKLM\System\Setup\LabConfig /v BypassCPUCheck /t reg_dword /d 0x00000001 /f

RD Mercer · Apr 26, 2024

antspants said:
My System One: Intel Core i7-4770K CPU @ 3.50GHz is a 4th Gen
I’m still really happy with it. (Until I’m not that is) I’m being patient with buying anything. The longer I wait, or am allowed to wait, the better it will be, I suspect.

I'm just running the 4790K 32 Gigs of ram, and 2 GB Radeon GDDR5 video card, with the Xfinity high speed 1000mb internet service. This setup is fastest enough for all my needs, I still have to buckle up, before turning my PC on.

BamaInArk · Apr 26, 2024

Okay I installed 24H2 clean again but on a similar system as the OP. An older Gigabyte GA-970A-DS3 AM3+ motherboard using an AMD FX-6300 cpu. I created a bootable flash drive using Rufus which automatically added the hardware bypasses so it would install. This cpu does have SSE4.2 support. Installation was similar to above test. 2 reboots followed by OOBE bypass for a 3rd reboot. System up and running fine and reboots okay. I used to newer UI vs attempting access to the old UI installer.
All the hardware was recognized by the clean install. Will let it update via MS Update to see what else happens.
Call me curious what ISO the OP was able to dig up.