Why Windows 11?

BunnyJ · Aug 1, 2021

Haydon said:
Sharing most parts of the OS, drivers, etc. that you don't always use, works as an advantage, not as a disadvantage. No hardware sharing, that's local. The hardware can be minimal or as much as you need. I myself would spend min $ on cpu (rely on the cpu in cloud) and medium $ on screen size and resolution A gamer would spend max $ on a gpu and a gaming monitor, etc.

That's you.. many have more complex rigs that have more hardware. It makes no sense to have a cloud based OS.

Berton · Aug 1, 2021

The advantage of the main-frame for when I was working was that every facility in the USA did the same thing, send and receive messages, weather reports, flight plans, etc. The problem for individual users is they don't do the same things just as buying 2 computers off the shelf at the same time doesn't keep them identical after being put into use.

Haydon · Aug 1, 2021

BunnyJ said:
That's you.. many have more complex rigs that have more hardware. It makes no sense to have a cloud based OS.

Sure, you can still have as much hardware and software as you like. The cloud OS would be another resource. For some the cloud OS would be the main resource, others would not use the cloud OS. To each his own.

I don't think there is a right or wrong, here. It is a bit like some people buy a small house for big $, others rent a big house for small monthly $, to each his own.

BunnyJ · Aug 1, 2021

Haydon said:
Sure, you can still have as much hardware as you like. The cloud OS would be another resource. For some the cloud OS would be the main resource. Others would not use the cloud OS.

I don't think there is a right or wrong, here. It is a bit like some people buy a small house for big $, others rent a big house for small monthly $, to each his own.

A cloud based OS will require that everyone has a high speed internet connection. Anything short of that would be problematic.

Haydon · Aug 1, 2021

Berton said:
The advantage of the main-frame for when I was working was that every facility in the USA did the same thing, send and receive messages, weather reports, flight plans, etc. The problem for individual users is they don't do the same things just as buying 2 computers off the shelf at the same time doesn't keep them identical after being put into use.

I think that's because the mainframes at the time couldn't even do what a kid's phone can do these days.

Haydon · Aug 1, 2021

BunnyJ said:
A cloud based OS will require that everyone has a high speed internet connection. Anything short of that would be problematic.

Depends on what you do. Technology solutions will also be found, video streaming for example will be further developed. Not so long ago, so called video telephony was a lab curiosity.

BunnyJ · Aug 1, 2021

Haydon said:
Depends on what you do. Technology solutions will also be found, video streaming for example will be further developed. Not so long ago, so called video telephony was a lab curiosity.

There are still many in the US and other nations that don't have access to high speed internet. Business aren't the issue. Given that storage capacity isn't an issue I don't see the need for a cloud based OS.

Time will tell. YMMV

BunnyJ · Aug 1, 2021

Haydon said:
I think that's because the mainframes at the time couldn't even do what a kid's phone can do these days.

Mainframes were just designed to do massive amount of work at the same time for business. At least during my time of using them up till 2010 we just used them for processing massive amounts of data and left the rest for PC's.

Haydon · Aug 1, 2021

BunnyJ said:
There are still many in the US and other nations that don't have access to high speed internet. Business aren't the issue. Given that storage capacity isn't an issue I don't see the need for a cloud based OS.

Time will tell. YMMV

Resource sharing (in the cloud and elsewhere) tends to be economical, otherwise businesses wouldn't do it. I do see benefits of resource sharing for professionals and families, too. Of course, the technology has to be developed and time has come

Haydon · Aug 1, 2021

BunnyJ said:
Mainframes were just designed to do massive amount of work at the same time for business. At least during my time of using them up till 2010 we just used them for processing massive amounts of data and left the rest for PC's.

Sure, that's one way to divvy up the tasks. There are other ways to divvy up the tasks. The cloud can provide as many or as little services as your big or small $ will buy. That's already happening now.

Winuser · Aug 1, 2021

BunnyJ said:
There are still many in the US and other nations that don't have access to high speed internet. Business aren't the issue. Given that storage capacity isn't an issue I don't see the need for a cloud based OS.

Time will tell. YMMV

I know of a lot of areas around me that doesn't have cable or any source of high speed internet. I'm sure that there are advantages for some to use a cloud based OS. For me, I'll stay with the OS being installed on my computer. I might lose my internet connection but I'll still be able to use my computer.

Haydon · Aug 1, 2021

Yeah, I am looking forward for having a capable cloud OS at my disposal. I would buy a Chromebook, if Chrome OS was not so extremely limited. But a capable cloud OS that can genuinely run Office (and not just web-based Office) a bit more elaborate Graphics than what Office can do, a bit more sophisticated web capabilities, etc. would be good for me personally, without having to worry about backup and malware, in particular, but also automatic updates, etc. that I don't even want to see. I am frankly tired of upgrading OS numbers and Office version years. I am sooo happy that I don't have to do the latter since long with the Office subscription, I won't have to do the former with the subscription to the capable cloud OS

And if my Internet is down, I still have my local OS, it's like having 2 computers, one on my desk, and one in the cloud, and they are automatically synced

Even if my laptop gets stolen, I simply buy a cheap one and sync

Others can obviously use the capable cloud OS in their own ways (or not use it, for that matter).

Edwin · Aug 1, 2021

I'd be okay with a cloud OS..., I just don't wanna pay for it on top of what I already paid for!

Snooker · Aug 1, 2021

SamRick said:
When Windows 10 was 'conceived', MS declared that this would be the last OS it would offer. At least that's what I believe I read.

If that was true, why develop Windows 11, for only certain (presumably) high-powered system combinations?

Is this the first step towards the eventual deprecation of Windows 10? If so, that's guaranteed to dismay and anger millions of ordinary W10 users, including me, who were led to believe that W10 would go on "forever", with a continual stream of updates to keep up with technological advances.

IMO Truthfully, I don't think you're missing much from windows 10 for windows 11. To me this 11 version is 10 with a bunch of different interfaces locations for all the same features, it's windows 10 with a facelift... It's like W98, you had 98 and then 98 second edition

Berton · Aug 1, 2021

I liked Win98SE, gave me ICS and support for USB 2 drivers.

Haydon · Aug 1, 2021

Edwin said:
I'd be okay with a cloud OS..., I just don't wanna pay for it on top of what I already paid for!

I doubt very much that Microsoft will give Windows 365 (the computer in the cloud) away for free.
The consumer version of Windows 365 is still a few years away, though.

You still need an ordinary Windows 10 or Windows 11 computer to access your Windows 365 computer in the cloud.
At least that's the case for the business version of Windows 365 that will be released in a few hours.

Snooker · Aug 2, 2021

Berton said:
I liked Win98SE, gave me ICS and support for USB 2 drivers.

lol connecting the computers days. I also liked 98 se

larc919 · Aug 2, 2021

Edwin said:
I'd be okay with a cloud OS..., I just don't wanna pay for it on top of what I already paid for!

I'm not OK with cloud anything. Internet connections go down sometimes. MS may do it with Windows eventually, but that will be mainly to increase their income. Loudly ballyhooed benefits to consumers will mostly be nothing but smoke and mirrors.

Edwin · Aug 2, 2021

larc919 said:
I'm not OK with cloud anything. Internet connections go down sometimes. MS may do it with Windows eventually, but that will be mainly to increase their income. Loudly ballyhooed benefits to consumers will mostly be nothing but smoke and mirrors.

You've got a point there!

Come to think of it...,

30 years ago, we had to wait til we got home at night to call someone or, write a letter to someone overseas!

... we got on okay! :wink:

Josey Wales · Aug 2, 2021

jimbo45 said:
Hi there
Answer to OP's question -- think back to why some famous mountaineer was asked the question why do you want to climb Mt. Everest -- Answer - "Because it's there" !!

Why not the same for W11 --Because it's there!!!

As for running a desktop OS entirely from the cloud might be viable and work for businesses / offices etc I'm not so sure this would be particularly advantageous to home / consumer users - and certainly problematical for people who take PC's out into the field for scientific surveys etc -- e,g Volcano research and the like where Internet might not be readily available and twhere he cost of providing an access point via a Satellite phone as an alternative doesn't come cheap.

Cheers
jimbo

I would not have trust in anything cloud based.