Windows 11 is significantly slowing down some NVMe SSDs
Windows 11 seems to be causing more trouble for users, as reports emerge of SSD performance being downgraded compared to Windows 10.
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Windows 11 is significantly slowing down some NVMe SSDs
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Interesting article.Windows 11 is significantly slowing down some NVMe SSDs
Windows 11 seems to be causing more trouble for users, as reports emerge of SSD performance being downgraded compared to Windows 10.
I've only just noticed the other day that there is an NVME setting in CrystalDiskMark now
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This has been all over the web yesterday and today. I haven't done any bench marking but have noticed no difference other than my internet loads a tad slower and that may be nothing to do with it
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Not exactly on the Samsung page Samsung_NVM_Express_Driver_3.3 to download that driver and it works perfectly for me because I have two windows 11 one on samsung m2 970 EVOPlus and 960 EVO, WIN11 excellent fast 3500 read and 3200 write on 970 EVOPlus
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I have a 980 Pro nvme for both C drive and D drive, just ran a test on both, the writes are slower in one metric in Crystal Disk Mark but virtually identical in the AS SSD benchmark. Not anything that I would ever notice in day to day use really. Both drives are at pcie4, windows driver, and high performance plan for the drives.
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Hmm, I have a 960 Pro with two partitions, one for the OS and the other for data. The OS portion gets consistently lower sequential (not that it matters that much for OS). I hadn't measured my write speeds for a long time, but they seem low - should be up in the 3500. Left is c: right e: partition.
The performance doesn't matter a lot to me as I have a large block level cache in front of them. For this test the cache is paused and I did a drive TRIM sometime prior to the test. Using the Samsung NVME driver. Completely reproducible.
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Actually going back to some results I had done some time ago, I had captured some C: and E: benchmarks, but only for SEQ Q32T1. These were on Windows 10, and I see the same difference: ~ 3400 for E: and 3000 for C: reads and around 2000 for writes.
So I think there WAS NO CHANGE for me between Windows 11 and Windows 10 - there was always this difference between C: and E:. Why? I haven't a clue.
EDIT: I think the differences in the 4k Q1T1 randoms between the Windows 11 and these older are all attributable to the patches and microcode changes for the Spectre and other Intel processor security vulnerabilities.
So I think there WAS NO CHANGE for me between Windows 11 and Windows 10 - there was always this difference between C: and E:. Why? I haven't a clue.
EDIT: I think the differences in the 4k Q1T1 randoms between the Windows 11 and these older are all attributable to the patches and microcode changes for the Spectre and other Intel processor security vulnerabilities.
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No slow downs on my 2 X Samsung 980 NVME's, but have noticed a slowdown for restarts & shutdowns up to 3 mins on a freshly installed Win11 (1 O.S. on each drive).
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When PCIEX16_3 run at x4 mode, SATA6G_12 and SATA6G_34 are disabled. on the motherboard Asus ROG Maximus XIII Hero Z590 this that means you have to buy a pciex 16 adapter for m2 nvme disk and in the bios you set 4 x 4 it to then you get a speed of 7200 MB / s
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@geneo As I said I haven't done any tests but everything seems fine other than web pages load fractionally slower but hardly noticeable. See my system one specs
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Microsoft admits another Windows 11 bug is slowing down PCs (storage drives)
Windows 11 is apparently impacting the speed of storage drives (NVMs, SSDs, hard drive) and Microsoft has finally acknowledged it as a new known issue. Not everyone will be affected by the issues highlighted here, but some users have found that Windows 11 is particularly bad at slowing down...
www.windowslatest.com
Microsoft to fix Windows 11 performance issues
In a support document published on November 22, Microsoft has also acknowledged the issue, first identified in August, and has started testing a fix as part of the optional update (KB5007262) for the operating system.In a separate statement, Microsoft officials confirmed Windows 11 affects the performance of all disks (NVMe, SSD, hardisk). This happens when the OS performs unnecessary actions in response to write operations. However, it’s important to understand that the bug won’t affect all partitions or drives.
Windows 11 performance issue occurs when a feature called “NTFS USN journal” is enabled. Thankfully, this feature is enabled only on the C: disk by default and the rest of the partitions or drives do not have NTFS USN journal.
which means that people with 22000.348 and KB5007262 installed won't see the problem.
November 22, 2021—KB5007262 (OS Build 22000.348) Preview | Microsoft Support
November 22, 2021—KB5007262 (OS Build 22000.348) Preview
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Microsoft admits another Windows 11 bug is slowing down PCs (storage drives)
Windows 11 is apparently impacting the speed of storage drives (NVMs, SSDs, hard drive) and Microsoft has finally acknowledged it as a new known issue. Not everyone will be affected by the issues highlighted here, but some users have found that Windows 11 is particularly bad at slowing down...Microsoft to fix Windows 11 performance issues
In a support document published on November 22, Microsoft has also acknowledged the issue, first identified in August, and has started testing a fix as part of the optional update (KB5007262) for the operating system.
In a separate statement, Microsoft officials confirmed Windows 11 affects the performance of all disks (NVMe, SSD, hardisk). This happens when the OS performs unnecessary actions in response to write operations. However, it’s important to understand that the bug won’t affect all partitions or drives.
Windows 11 performance issue occurs when a feature called “NTFS USN journal” is enabled. Thankfully, this feature is enabled only on the C: disk by default and the rest of the partitions or drives do not have NTFS USN journal.
which means that people with 22000.348 and KB5007262 installed won't see the problem.
November 22, 2021—KB5007262 (OS Build 22000.348) Preview | Microsoft Support
November 22, 2021—KB5007262 (OS Build 22000.348) Preview
Another good reason to keep your data and games off of the C: drive!
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I've been having this same problem with my Samsung SSD 970 EVO 1TB. I got the latest update and still accruing.
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Well if it is your c: drive, it is not clear to me from the release notes whether anything has changed for it:
"Addresses an issue that affects the performance of all disks (NVMe, SSD, hardisk) on Windows 11 by performing unnecessary actions each time a write operation occurs. This issue occurs only when the NTFS USN journal is enabled. Note, the USN journal is always enabled on the C: disk."
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- Eizo CG2730 ColorEdge, ViewSonic VP2768, i1 Display Pro calibration puck
- Screen Resolution
- 2560 x 1440p x 2
- Hard Drives
- WDC SN850X 4TB nvme, SN850 1TB nvme, SK-Hynix 2 TB P41 nvme,. Sabrent USB-C DS-SC5B 5-bay docking station: 6TB WDC Black, 6TB Ironwolf Pro; 2x 2TB WDC Black HDD
- PSU
- 850W Seasonic Vertex PX-850 ATX 3.0/PCI-E 5.0
- Case
- Fractal Design North XL Mesh, Black Walnut
- Cooling
- EK Nucleus black 360 AIO w/Phanteks T30-120 fans, 2 Noctua NF-A14 Chromax case fan, 1 T30-120 fan cooling memory
- Keyboard
- Keychron Q3 Max TKL with custom GMK Redsuns Red Samuri keycaps, TX Stabs
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- Logitech G305 wireless gaming
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- 575 Mb/s down | 25 Mb/s up
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- Firefox
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- Defender, Macrium Reflect X
- Other Info
- Phangkey Amaterasu V2 Desk Mat
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- Apple 13" Macbook Pro 2020 (m1)
- CPU
- Apple M1
- Screen Resolution
- 2560x1600
- Browser
- Firefox
Is there a way to disable the NTFS USN journal on my C:\ ?
My Computer
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MS Windows 11 Professional 64-bitIntel Core i7-10700K32GB Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 3200MHzGigabyte GeForce RTX 4090 Gaming OC 24GB
- OS
- MS Windows 11 Professional 64-bit
- Computer type
- PC/Desktop
- Manufacturer/Model
- Myself
- CPU
- Intel Core i7-10700K
- Motherboard
- ASUS ROG Strix Z490-G Gaming (WiFi 6)
- Memory
- 32GB Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 3200MHz
- Graphics Card(s)
- Gigabyte GeForce RTX 4090 Gaming OC 24GB
- Sound Card
- Realtek High Definition Audio
- Monitor(s) Displays
- LG 34GN850-B 34 Inch 21:9 UltraGear
- Screen Resolution
- 3440x1440
- Hard Drives
- Samsung 970 EVO Plus SSD 2TB \ Samsung SSD 970 EVO 1TB \ WD 2TB My Passport SSD External Portable
- PSU
- CORSAIR RMX RM850x, 850 Watt, 80+ Gold Certified
- Case
- NZXT H5 Flow
- Cooling
- Fractal Design Celsius S24 240mm
- Keyboard
- Corsair K100 RGB Optical-Mechanical Gaming Keyboard
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- Corsair Harpoon RGB Gaming Mouse
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- Edge
- Local time
- 2:10 PM
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- 3,637
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- San Francisco, California USA
- OS
- WindowsXP/7/8/8.1/10/11,Linux,Android,FreeBSD Unix
I have to live with it since I am on a laptop and I prefer physical drives to have only one partition excluding the hidden partitions.
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WindowsXP/7/8/8.1/10/11,Linux,Android,FreeBSD...Intel® Core™ i7-8750H 8th Gen 2.2Ghz up to 4....64GB using 2x32GB CL16 Mushkin redLine modulesIntel UHD 630 & NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti wi...
- OS
- WindowsXP/7/8/8.1/10/11,Linux,Android,FreeBSD Unix
- Computer type
- Laptop
- Manufacturer/Model
- Dell XPS 15 9570
- CPU
- Intel® Core™ i7-8750H 8th Gen 2.2Ghz up to 4.1Ghz
- Motherboard
- Dell XPS 15 9570
- Memory
- 64GB using 2x32GB CL16 Mushkin redLine modules
- Graphics Card(s)
- Intel UHD 630 & NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti with 4GB DDR5
- Sound Card
- Realtek ALC3266-CG
- Monitor(s) Displays
- 15.6" 4K Touch UltraHD 3840x2160 made by Sharp
- Screen Resolution
- 3840x2160 4K UltraHD
- Hard Drives
- Samsung MZ-V9P4T0B/AM 990 PRO 4TB PCIe®4.0 NVMe™ M.2 SSD was Toshiba KXG60ZNV1T02 NVMe 1TB SSD
- PSU
- Dell XPS 15 9570
- Case
- Dell XPS 15 9570
- Cooling
- Stock
- Keyboard
- Stock
- Mouse
- SwitftPoint ProPoint
- Internet Speed
- Comcast/XFinity 1.44Gbps/42.5Mbps
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- Microsoft EDGE (Chromium based) & Google Chrome
- Antivirus
- Windows Defender that came with Windows
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- 2:10 PM
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Yes but read this thread which tells you the bad parts about it:
Disabling NTFS Change Journal (HowTo)
I'm nerdgasming! Open Command Prompt (XP: Start Menu > Run, type cmd.exe (Vista: Start Menu > Accessories > Right-click Command Prompt and select "Run as Administrator" Type this in: fsutil usn deletejournal /d C:
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My Computer
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WindowsXP/7/8/8.1/10/11,Linux,Android,FreeBSD...Intel® Core™ i7-8750H 8th Gen 2.2Ghz up to 4....64GB using 2x32GB CL16 Mushkin redLine modulesIntel UHD 630 & NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti wi...
- OS
- WindowsXP/7/8/8.1/10/11,Linux,Android,FreeBSD Unix
- Computer type
- Laptop
- Manufacturer/Model
- Dell XPS 15 9570
- CPU
- Intel® Core™ i7-8750H 8th Gen 2.2Ghz up to 4.1Ghz
- Motherboard
- Dell XPS 15 9570
- Memory
- 64GB using 2x32GB CL16 Mushkin redLine modules
- Graphics Card(s)
- Intel UHD 630 & NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti with 4GB DDR5
- Sound Card
- Realtek ALC3266-CG
- Monitor(s) Displays
- 15.6" 4K Touch UltraHD 3840x2160 made by Sharp
- Screen Resolution
- 3840x2160 4K UltraHD
- Hard Drives
- Samsung MZ-V9P4T0B/AM 990 PRO 4TB PCIe®4.0 NVMe™ M.2 SSD was Toshiba KXG60ZNV1T02 NVMe 1TB SSD
- PSU
- Dell XPS 15 9570
- Case
- Dell XPS 15 9570
- Cooling
- Stock
- Keyboard
- Stock
- Mouse
- SwitftPoint ProPoint
- Internet Speed
- Comcast/XFinity 1.44Gbps/42.5Mbps
- Browser
- Microsoft EDGE (Chromium based) & Google Chrome
- Antivirus
- Windows Defender that came with Windows
- Local time
- 5:10 PM
- Posts
- 12,471
- OS
- Windows 11 Pro
^ Those people in that thread appear to be confusing NTFS USN (change) journaling and NTFS file system journaling, the latter being the transaction log that assures that the file system is in a consistent state, and is an inseparable part of the NTFS file system. The former USN journaling logs NTFS operations for management purposes and apps may use it. I believe the USN journaling should be left enabled for the system drive (if you can even actually disable it) as the OS may use it.
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Windows 11 ProIntel Core i9 14900K 5800/4500 P/E all core96GB (2x48) G.skill Ripjaws 6800 MT/s DDR5Asus ROG Strix 4070 Ti OC- OS
- Windows 11 Pro
- Computer type
- PC/Desktop
- Manufacturer/Model
- DIY Photoshop/Audio/Game/tinker
- CPU
- Intel Core i9 14900K 5800/4500 P/E all core
- Motherboard
- Asus ROG Maximus Z790 Dark Hero
- Memory
- 96GB (2x48) G.skill Ripjaws 6800 MT/s DDR5
- Graphics Card(s)
- Asus ROG Strix 4070 Ti OC
- Sound Card
- Bowers & Wilkins 606 S3 speakers; Audiolabs 7000a integrated amp; RSL 10S Mk2 sub; Creative Pebble Pro Minimilist
- Monitor(s) Displays
- Eizo CG2730 ColorEdge, ViewSonic VP2768, i1 Display Pro calibration puck
- Screen Resolution
- 2560 x 1440p x 2
- Hard Drives
- WDC SN850X 4TB nvme, SN850 1TB nvme, SK-Hynix 2 TB P41 nvme,. Sabrent USB-C DS-SC5B 5-bay docking station: 6TB WDC Black, 6TB Ironwolf Pro; 2x 2TB WDC Black HDD
- PSU
- 850W Seasonic Vertex PX-850 ATX 3.0/PCI-E 5.0
- Case
- Fractal Design North XL Mesh, Black Walnut
- Cooling
- EK Nucleus black 360 AIO w/Phanteks T30-120 fans, 2 Noctua NF-A14 Chromax case fan, 1 T30-120 fan cooling memory
- Keyboard
- Keychron Q3 Max TKL with custom GMK Redsuns Red Samuri keycaps, TX Stabs
- Mouse
- Logitech G305 wireless gaming
- Internet Speed
- 575 Mb/s down | 25 Mb/s up
- Browser
- Firefox
- Antivirus
- Defender, Macrium Reflect X
- Other Info
- Phangkey Amaterasu V2 Desk Mat
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At a glance
Apple M1- Computer type
- Laptop
- Manufacturer/Model
- Apple 13" Macbook Pro 2020 (m1)
- CPU
- Apple M1
- Screen Resolution
- 2560x1600
- Browser
- Firefox
My systems are both low end compared to some, but there are some differences between even them which show that there are more factors than W11 affecting drive speed. Both of my systems have WD Black SN750 500Gb C drives and I also tried a Samsung 850 PRO 256Gb 2.5" in both.
The 850 Pro was 25% faster in system 2. The WD was twice as fast as the 850 PRO in system 1 and three times as fast in system 2.
This is likely to be something to do with the motherboard chipsets A320M and B450M, and maybe the amount of ram and the processor.
I would think that the best way to tell would be to boot with W10 and then W11 in the same hardware.
The 850 Pro was 25% faster in system 2. The WD was twice as fast as the 850 PRO in system 1 and three times as fast in system 2.
This is likely to be something to do with the motherboard chipsets A320M and B450M, and maybe the amount of ram and the processor.
I would think that the best way to tell would be to boot with W10 and then W11 in the same hardware.
My Computers
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W11 pro betaAthlon 3000G16Gb Crucial DDR4 2400onboard cpu- OS
- W11 pro beta
- Computer type
- PC/Desktop
- Manufacturer/Model
- home built
- CPU
- Athlon 3000G
- Motherboard
- Asrock A320M-HDV r4.0
- Memory
- 16Gb Crucial DDR4 2400
- Graphics Card(s)
- onboard cpu
- Sound Card
- onboard
- Monitor(s) Displays
- LG 22EA53
- Screen Resolution
- 1920 x 1080
- Hard Drives
- WD black SN750 M2 500Gb
- PSU
- 500W Seasonic core 80+gold non modular
- Case
- Fractal Design Define R2
- Cooling
- front 2 x 120mm rear 100mm stock psu
- Internet Speed
- 135/20
- Browser
- Firefox and edge
- Antivirus
- Windows Security and free Malwarebytes
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W11 pro 64 beta (from W10 pro system builder ...Ryzen 7 5700G4 x 8Gb Corsair Vengeance LPX 3000 DDR4onboard cpu- Operating System
- W11 pro 64 beta (from W10 pro system builder pack)
- Computer type
- PC/Desktop
- Manufacturer/Model
- homebuilt
- CPU
- Ryzen 7 5700G
- Motherboard
- MSI B450 tomahawk max II
- Memory
- 4 x 8Gb Corsair Vengeance LPX 3000 DDR4
- Graphics card(s)
- onboard cpu
- Sound Card
- motherboard
- Monitor(s) Displays
- AOC 27
- Screen Resolution
- 2560 x 1440
- Hard Drives
- WD 1Tb Black M2 SN850X on Asus hyper M2 X16 max V2 card
- PSU
- Be Quiet 400 semi modular 80+gold
- Case
- Coolermaster Silencio 650
- Cooling
- 140mm front, 120 rear Akasa Vegas Chroma AM
- Internet Speed
- 135/20
- Browser
- edge/Firefox
- Antivirus
- WD plus Malwarebytes free
Rod I have noticed my Internet loading slower also
My Computers
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At a glance
windows Eleven HomeINTEL (R) CORE(TM) i3-8100 CPU @3.60GHz 3.60GHz8.00GB (7.86 GB usable)Integrated Intel UHD Graphics- OS
- windows Eleven Home
- Computer type
- PC/Desktop
- Manufacturer/Model
- HP PAVILION DESKTOP 590-pOxxx
- CPU
- INTEL (R) CORE(TM) i3-8100 CPU @3.60GHz 3.60GHz
- Motherboard
- HP 843B (U3E1)
- Memory
- 8.00GB (7.86 GB usable)
- Graphics Card(s)
- Integrated Intel UHD Graphics
- Sound Card
- (Realtec High Definition Audio) Intel Display Audio
- Monitor(s) Displays
- 24W
- Screen Resolution
- 1280x720 pixels work 1280x672 pixels
- Hard Drives
- WINDOWS(C:)BASIC NTFS 913.42 GB /WINDOWS (C) (G) BASIC-2794.52
RECOVERY (D:) 16.85 GB?DISK PARTITION 1) ( E 260 MB0)DISK (4) R0980MB
- Cooling
- 42-Celious
- Keyboard
- HP
- Mouse
- LOGITECH (M705
- Internet Speed
- 5940 RPM
- Browser
- FIRE FOX 106.0.4
- Antivirus
- WINDOWS SECURITY
- Other Info
- desktop pc #2 PROCESSOR AMD A8-7410 APU WITH AMD RADEON R5 GRAPHICS 2.20 GHZ INSTALLED RAM 4.00 GB(3.45 GB USABLE) DEVICE ID 5c27474D-FCBA-4D)D-89E8-89E8-071DCOAB36AC PRODUCT ID 00325-80450-35140-AAOEM SYSTEM TYPE 64-BIT OPERATING SYSTEM,X64-BASED PROCESSOR PEN AND TOUCH WITH 10 TOUCH POINTS everything else as pc above
#3 desktop Dell windows 10 home ver 21h1 Intel(R) Pention(R)cpu G2020@ 2.90 GHZ 2.90 GHZ 64 BIT operating System,x 64based Processor Everything else as the 2 pc's above
Toshiba External Hard Drive--3TB:oin HDWC 130XK3J1
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WindowsAMD A8-74104.00 GBAMD RADEON R5 GRAPHICS- Operating System
- Windows
- Computer type
- PC/Desktop
- CPU
- AMD A8-7410
- Memory
- 4.00 GB
- Graphics card(s)
- AMD RADEON R5 GRAPHICS
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