Windows 11 REALLY sucks in performance compared with Window 10

kelper said:

I've seen quite a few reports that Windows 11 is slower than Windows 10. But the differences are small. A lot of us have probably upgraded and so may have a Windows 11 machine faster than their old Windows 10 machine. It's a bit moot since the OP has flounced off!

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My System One is 2 1/2 years old and my System Two is 4 months old. With newer computers there can be generational differences. My current computers are nothing like what I had just a few years ago.

TraderGary said:

My System One is 2 1/2 years old and my System Two is 4 months old. With newer computers there can be generational differences. My current computers are nothing like what I had just a few years ago.

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But this does not mean that Windows 10 was/is faster than Windows 11????

I upgraded both of my systems last year and installed Win11 at the same time on the new hardware. Since everything about the new systems was from two to eight times the speed of the old hardware, Windows 11 seems pretty snappy to me!

Josey Wales said:

But this does not mean that Windows 10 was/is faster than Windows 11????

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I currently have the fastest and best Windows I've ever used. The whole point is that's all I care about. I don't really care what anyone else thinks or what anyone else has measured.

TraderGary said:

I currently have the fastest and best Windows I've ever used. The whole point is that's all I care about. I don't really care what anyone else thinks or what anyone else has measured.

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As do I.

TraderGary said:

I currently have the fastest and best Windows I've ever used. The whole point is that's all I care about. I don't really care what anyone else thinks or what anyone else has measured.

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Ultimately, I share the same view. I just don't have the same results with Win 11. I still regard Windows 7 as the last real OS MS ever made. I don't know if my experience has to do with hardware configuration or the fact that I robbed my Win 7 of bloatware, One Drive, BitLocker, and all the nasties, or because I'm using 23H2 on this build and staying that way. Personally, I don't care. My System works. Even if it is a triple boot abomination it always boots and when I tire of Win 11 I can always boot to 7. When I tire of Windows I can always boot to Linux. But that's me. I don't expect others to do it my way.

To be fair, my wife's version of Win 11 X-Lite is pretty durn fast. She doesn't use it much and I get it: Sometimes it's not always about speed and responsiveness. She likes Windows 10 and I despise it. Always have, always will. To each their own. Not many PCs here on the home front use only one OS save the laptops. I'm a multi-booter and I passed that tradition down to my family. Over time they've learned to appreciate the benefits of having more than one OS to boot to. If I want 25H2 I can always go on the X299. I like my options. Still, I feel bad for the OP. I can appreciate their frustration. There could have been other factors causing the PC to run so sluggishly. Patience is a virtue. Oh well. . .

I know that hardware does make a difference. My machine now is 1.5 GHz faster than my old PC, but even the old Ryzen 5800 was pretty snappy with Win 11 and the performance is better on the new machine for sure. The Ryzen started with Win 10, and when I upgraded to Win 11 I noticed a distinct performance improvement.

Keep in mind that I do not modify my Windows installation in any way, except to remove OneDrive.

Catnip said:

Keep in mind that I do not modify my Windows installation in any way, except to remove OneDrive.

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OneDrive is the offsite component of my 3-2-1 backup strategy. I remove nothing. I run a totally clean and unhacked Windows 11.

For me at least, Windows 11 seems to run every bit as well as 10 ever did. That said, what I prize more than anything else is stability. I don't overclock any of my systems. I will sometimes pick a slightly slower component if I believe it to be more reliable. For me, predictable reliability is king.

Windows 11 has been extremely stable for me EXCEPT for stuff that Microsoft breaks. It's amazing to me that the biggest instabilities that I encounter are things that Microsoft breaks while trying to fix other issues.

The point is simply that I'm willing to give up a small bit of performance if it means stability and reliability.

It behooves me to say that even though Windows 10 was never my main OS I fiddled with it enough on other PCs to know it wasn't what I wanted. Alas, having been in the repair/build business it wasn't really something I could dodge. My family also wanted it and I reasoned that one day they might also want Win 11 so I kept them upgraded. I also had to eliminate a ton of bloatware that they would never need or use which only increased my contempt for Win 10. At that time I felt I didn't have to go through so much surgery just to get a half decent OS up and running so Win 10 never was a permanent thing for me. Win 11, on the other hand, seemed way more responsive and smoother. I attributed this to it being a new installation and suspected it might bog down over time with use. My big disappointment was TPM2 and Co Pilot. In a way Rufus saved the day for my family by providing a way to dodge those requirements. There is a reason I'm still using 23H2 on my main however: I just don't see any point to changing it and I would have to use Rufus (or something similar) to do that.

hsehestedt said:

For me, predictable reliability is king.

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I concur. Some folks even under clock their CPUs for stability and longevity. Myself, I wasn't very pleased to discover that TBMT on my X99 build wouldn't work with Windows 11. Considering that I'm running a respectable OC on this unit I suppose it isn't much of an issue, but that annoying bang! was really grating on my OCD. Some folks love pritty little yellow triangles in their device manager, I guess. I'm not one of them. Imagine my chagrin when I finally moved on to a Win 11 compliant platform and still experienced the same driver issue with Win 11. MS clearly wasn't playing fair. Today I no longer care.

I managed to get rid of the oglee little cockroaches in my device manager on both platforms, thanks to the help of our brilliant ASUS driver expert here, in this forum. I killed One Drive, removed Bit Locker, killed Co Pilot, and found a way to move on. Windows has been a disappointment for me ever since they came out with Windows 8. I don't ever expect them to change — especially with the advent of AI in the mix. To really impress me MS would have to make an extremely lean OS with the bare butt essentials like notepad, paint, calculator, browser, disk manager, device manager, etc. and eliminate One Drive, Bit Locker, Co Pilot, and whatever flavour of spyware they might happen to be keen on at the time. It wouldn't bother me if I could pick those things up at the Windows Store instead. We all know that ain't gonna happen.

The OP kind of reminds me of myself when I first started asking for help on this forum. It just isn't worth the stress. TGFL (thank GOD for Linux).

I actually used Win10 for years, I had no major complaints with it. Obviously, there are things about any version of Windows I'm not wild about, but that's a different story. My wife actually got the first Win11 computer, we bought her a new computer and it came with Win11. I didn't move to Win11 until last year about this time when I replaced my 10 year old systems.

I never had any issues with drivers for Win11, I guess I've been lucky in that regard.

gunrunnerjohn said:

I actually used Win10 for years, I had no major complaints with it. Obviously, there are things about any version of Windows I'm not wild about, but that's a different story. My wife actually got the first Win11 computer, we bought her a new computer and it came with Win11. I didn't move to Win11 until last year about this time when I replaced my 10 year old systems.

I never had any issues with drivers for Win11, I guess I've been lucky in that regard.

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I think there really are a lot of factors to consider. It isn't so simple as having one bad experience with one particular build. Once you've installed an OS on over a dozen different builds you get a better idea about the the strengths and weaknesses of that OS. I tend to get hesitation on opening programs, clicking on short cuts, etc. with Win 11 but this seems to be a 23H2 issue because I don't get it with 25H2 and Rufus seems to correct this with 24H2. Well, at least not so much on 24H2. Windows 10 came with a lot of bloatware: Key logger, Cortana, One Drive, Bit Locker, etc. Sorry, but when Windows puts code in its OS to record every key stroke I make on my PC that is called a key logger and I'm not interested in supporting that sort of thing. That's why I never kept it on my work station.

"But he lets his family use it"

Yeah, I do. After I'm done butchering it and modifying the OS I let them have Windows 10. It's what they prefer. None of them likes Windows 11 much and that should not come as a surprise because people tend to like what they are familiar with and comfortable with using. Actually, the youngest uses Windows 11 now. She's warming up to it. Rufus made that possible. To be fair, the university kid also uses Win 11 because I popped in a 1TB SSD and gave her my Dell touchscreen. That unit came with Win 11 on NVMe but she had to have 1TB storage (university requirement for engineering). The wife and my other other daughter are Windows 10 die hards. They both have Win 11 installed on multi-boot units. And then there are all the lap tops . . . :::sigh::: Dad's work is never done.

Scannerman said:

I think there really are a lot of factors to consider. It isn't so simple as having one bad experience with one particular build. Once you've installed an OS on over a dozen different builds you get a better idea about the the strengths and weaknesses of that OS. I tend to get hesitation on opening programs, clicking on short cuts, etc. with Win 11 but this seems to be a 23H2 issue because I don't get it with 25H2 and Rufus seems to correct this with 24H2. Well, at least not so much on 24H2. Windows 10 came with a lot of bloatware: Key logger, Cortana, One Drive, Bit Locker, etc. Sorry, but when Windows puts code in its OS to record every key stroke I make on my PC that is called a key logger and I'm not interested in supporting that sort of thing. That's why I never kept it on my work station.

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Well, it wasn't "one build", so far I've installed Windows 11 on seven machines. I agree that there was a lot of bloatware in Windows 11 (and Windows 10 for that matter), but I've excised most of that from my systems. FWIW, Recall only runs on Copilot PC's with a separate NPU, so that's not a factor on any of my machines. Copilot, One Drive, Cortana are not on any of my machines. I also don't use Bit Locker.

gunrunnerjohn said:

FWIW, Recall only runs on Copilot PC's with a separate NPU, so that's not a factor on any of my machines. Copilot, One Drive, Cortana are not on any of my machines. I also don't use Bit Locker.

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Yup. That's why I made no reference to Recall. In fact, I thought Recall got recalled. Wasn't Recall Win 11's answer to Win 10 Key logger edition? I don't recall. No doubt some version of it will be back. Perhaps Win 12 will provide it with their new and improved Borg deal. Meanwhile I imagine we can all go back to looking forward to owning glorified word processors since we won't be needing all that DRAM anymore and who needs massive amounts of storage these days when it can all be stored on the Cloud? <insert celestial music here>

IMO Win 10 had a lot more bloatware than 11 did but that could depend on which Windows distro errrm "version" one is using. I'm not using 25H2 a lot so it might not be fair for me to say at this point. It's still sitting there, on the test bench, waiting to be installed in a case. Admittedly, I've been lazy. Got the whole house on fibre optic now, but I feel like I'm getting a little old to be pulling wire anymore. I have a half hour drive down the highway to convince a fellow why his i7 6700 is still worth keeping and why buying a brand new PC these days just isn't worth the trouble.