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Hello,
I've browsed several forums/discussions and there's always some doubt about compatibility with certain types of processors.
I have an AMD Phenom II X4 965, which doesn't have the SSE4.2 instruction, but SSE4A includes the required POPCNT functionality.
Do you know if it's possible to migrate to Windows 11 25H2 using a tool like Rufus, or if the SSE4.2 instruction is essential?
Have any of you tried this before?
Thanks for your help.
 

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Hello @stefmimi and welcome to ElevenForum. :-)

Here's a list of supported AMD processors and the 965 is not on there.
learn.microsoft.com

Windows processor requirements Windows 11 supported AMD processors

This specification details the AMD processors that can be used with Windows 11 customer systems that include Windows products, including custom images.
learn.microsoft.com

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And here is Google AI's response...

No, you cannot officially install Windows 11 25H2 on an AMD Phenom II X4 965 because it's not a supported CPU
(needs Ryzen 2000+), but you can bypass Microsoft's checks using tools like Rufus or scripts to create a bootable USB, though you risk instability, lack of updates, and potential malfunctions as it's unsupported hardware
Click to expand...


Short version...
Make a full backup of Win 10 (and the backup software's bootable media), and give it a shot.

With the bootable media, you can access your backups even if Windows won't boot.
 
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Windows 11 24H2 (and later) requires a CPU with PopCnt and SSE4.2. These features became standard on Intel CPUs around 2008–2009 and on AMD CPUs around 2011. This hardware requirement cannot be bypassed.

This PC doesn't currently meet Windows 11 system requirements.webp

ChatGPT:

edit: Does the AMD Phenom II X4 965 meet the Windows 11 24H2/25H2 system requirements, specifically support for POPCNT and SSE4.2?

No — the AMD Phenom II X4 965 does not meet the official Windows 11 24H2/25H2 CPU requirements.

Here’s why:

  • The Phenom II X4 965 supports:
    • SSE up to SSE4a (an AMD-specific subset of SSE4) and POPCNT (population count) instruction. valid.x86.fr+1
  • It does NOT support the full SSE4.2 instruction set, which is required by Windows 11 24H2/25H2. TECHCOMMUNITY.MICROSOFT.COM+1

  • Microsoft’s recent updates to Windows 11 strictly require CPUs to support SSE4.2 (which includes POPCNT). Without SSE4.2, the OS will not boot or install normally on the system. TECHCOMMUNITY.MICROSOFT.COM+1

  • SSE4a is an AMD-specific instruction extension found on older processors like the Phenom II line, but it does not include the full instruction set of SSE4.2 that Windows 11 enforces. Wikipedia
  • POPCNT may exist on these CPUs, but having POPCNT alone isn’t sufficient — the full SSE4.2 set must be present.
Click to expand...
 
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Celery said:
ChatGPT:

edit: Does the AMD Phenom II X4 965 meet the Windows 11 24H2/25H2 system requirements, specifically support for POPCNT and SSE4.2?
Click to expand...

ChatGPT telling the OP what they already knew.

stefmimi said:
I have an AMD Phenom II X4 965, which doesn't have the SSE4.2 instruction, but SSE4A includes the required POPCNT functionality.
Click to expand...
 

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antspants said:
ChatGPT telling the OP what they already knew.
Click to expand...

ChatGPT also stated the following (which the OP was unaware of):

"Microsoft’s recent updates to Windows 11 strictly require CPUs to support SSE4.2 (which includes POPCNT). Without SSE4.2, the OS will not boot or install normally on the system."
 

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Thank you for your replies; this confirms my impression. I will therefore opt for extended support while waiting for another solution: a processor replacement or a complete PC upgrade.
 

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