Future 'rug-pull' for unsupported Win 11 installs?

Dch48 · Nov 21, 2021

Bree said:
There is at least one more W10 feature update due out soon, and no reason to expect there won't be a 22H1 next May.

Microsoft Preparing Windows 10 21H2 November 2021 Update for Release

Now available to Windows Insiders in Release Preview channel

www.tenforums.com

I just got 21H2 and they have said there will be one feature update a year going forward until support ends.

Hazel123 · Nov 21, 2021

I have 21H2 on the new machine (used Surface Laptop 3). Strange - it had W10 2004 installed and asked me if I wanted to upgrade to 21H2 - so I did and it downloaded and installed in about 2 minutes! Bypassing all the in between upgrades. Reckon it must have downloaded in the background already. Unless Microsoft prioritise their speedier downloads to Surface machines!

ThrashZone · Feb 20, 2022

cereberus said:
Of course, this is pure garbage. AVs only protect against viruses. They do not protect against many other attack vectors. Once a hacker finds a security hole, they will exploit laughing their heads off as rhey now it will never be fixed.

Sop spreading misinformation to say everything will be ok. If yiu want to take the risk that is up to you but do not tell others "it is that simple" be cause that is 100% untrue.

Hi,
I've been waiting to be hacked as you say every since win-7 eol so yeah it's been a while so where are they man should be plenty of security holes so why no exploits as you say and plenty of other scaremongers say :boom:

So talk about spreading misinformation look in the mirror buddy lol :lmao:

Besides the worst security risk is looking at the monitor and in control of the mouse always

If stupid it won't take a hacker to exploit anyone out of the blue it will take an idiot clicking on unknown senders and sometimes known senders email message that contain maybe only a few words and a link saying check this out and also only relying on windows defender to save them even on win-10 so yeah os and updates really means very little.

Dch48 · Feb 20, 2022

I have a 16 year old HP laptop running both XP and 7. Both OS are somewhat protected by AV programs that still work and receive definition updates. In XP, Avast still has a free version for XP that gets the latest definitions but no program updates. In 7, I was using the free Bitdefender but they recently plugged the plug on it. I installed MSE on it and even though Windows Update does not work, MSE gets the latest definitions automatically. Avast would also work but the version for 7 is very bloated compared to the older one that works on XP.

cereberus · Feb 20, 2022

ThrashZone said:
Hi,
I've been waiting to be hacked as you say every since win-7 eol so yeah it's been a while so where are they man should be plenty of security holes so why no exploits as you say and plenty of other scaremongers say

So talk about spreading misinformation look in the mirror buddy lol

Besides the worst security risk is looking at the monitor and in control of the mouse always

If stupid it won't take a hacker to exploit anyone out of the blue it will take an idiot clicking on unknown senders and sometimes known senders email message that contain maybe only a few words and a link saying check this out and also only relying on windows defender to save them even on win-10 so yeah os and updates really means very little.

Does not change the fact that telling people there is no risk is not true.
Subject closed.

Dch48 · Feb 20, 2022

cereberus said:
Does not change the fact that telling people there is no risk is not true.
Subject closed.

You turn on your computer and connect to the internet, you're at risk no matter what you are or are not using for protection.

The-Hive · Feb 20, 2022

Risk.....you just have to do what makes you feel happiest and safest and judge the risks for yourself

meimeiriver · Feb 22, 2022

In my humble opinion, it's questionable MS will really brick your Windows 11, in the future. The generally considered harsh requirements pertain to installation, mostly; after that, it seems MS no longer cares. You can, for instance, even disable secure boot again afterwards. So, my feeling is, that, once you have it installed, MS won't keep repeating the checks.

Dch48 · Feb 22, 2022

meimeiriver said:
In my humble opinion, it's questionable MS will really brick your Windows 11, in the future. The generally considered harsh requirements pertain to installation, mostly; after that, it seems MS no longer cares. You can, for instance, even disable secure boot again afterwards. So, my feeling is, that, once you have it installed, MS won't keep repeating the checks.

Wrong. They already are and people on unsupported machines are receiving notifications.

Bree · Feb 22, 2022

Dch48 said:
They already are and people on unsupported machines are receiving notifications.

Isn't that only for those signed up to the Insider program? My unsupported install has never has any such notifications since its upgrade from RTM W10 to RTM W11.

mackie · Feb 22, 2022

Bree said:
Bree said:

Isn't that only for those signed up to the Insider program? My unsupported install has never has any such notifications since its upgrade from RTM W10 to RTM W11.

Click to expand...

Same here..... also on the release version.

Dch48 · Feb 22, 2022

Bree said:
Isn't that only for those signed up to the Insider program? My unsupported install has never has any such notifications since its upgrade from RTM W10 to RTM W11.

Microsoft is testing a desktop watermark for unsupported Windows 11 PCs

The Windows 11 requirements caused some serious debate last year, with the tech giant stating the requirements are in place for security reasons. Microsoft’s decision angered many folks who were looking forward to Windows 11 and several workarounds were discovered to bypass the requirements...

www.windowslatest.com

It's coming.

Mark Phelps · Feb 22, 2022

Dch48 said:
Wrong. They already are and people on unsupported machines are receiving notifications.

Really? I have Win11 running on three unsupported PCs and I have not yet received any notifications. My only Insider machine is fully compliant with Win11.

Bree · Feb 22, 2022

Dch48 said:
It's coming.

Its only in Insider build 22557 at present. It may (or may not) make it into the RTM release. It's certainly not there now. According to your link...

...the company is A/B testing the new watermark in Windows 11 Build 22557 and it may appear in production builds with Sun Valley 2 update.

Dch48 · Feb 22, 2022

Bree said:
Its only in Insider build 22557 at present. It may (or may not) make it into the RTM release. It's certainly not there now. According to your link...

Never said it was. It will definitely be in the release version though. Probably soon.

sgage · Feb 22, 2022

Dch48 said:
Never said it was. It will definitely be in the release version though. Probably soon.

Whatever MS does or does not do with regard to enforcing compliance is their business. What I find really irritating bordering on despicable is that they won't just come out and say what they're going to do, and when they're going to do it. I've gone back to Win10 for Windows needs. I have saved an image of the latest Win11 in case MS declares they will support Win11 on machines they have supported so far. Until they do, no more Win11 for me. If they don't want me to have it, I don't want to have it. I will not play this game.

Bree · Feb 22, 2022

Dch48 said:
It will definitely be in the release version though.

Maybe, maybe not. That's the problem with MS, they never actually say one way or the other what they are planning to do.

I have three machines running RTM Win11, two fully supported, one definitely not. That last one is there purely to test what exactly they do with our unsupported devices. Its Win10 HDD is waiting in the wings, ready to go back in should they decide to pull the plug :wink:

wimorrison · Feb 22, 2022

sgage said:
.... in case MS declares they will support Win11 on machines they have supported so far...

The fact that you have been able to make Windows 11 run on a machine that doesn't meet the minimum requirements doesn't mean that said installation is supported by Microsoft. All it means is that you have been able to make it run.

Support is provided by Microsoft for systems that meet the published specification and as they own the software - you are only granted a licence to use it - they can enforce the minium requirements specification whenever they wish.

RFS · Feb 22, 2022

Bree said:
I have three machines running RTM Win11, two fully supported, one definitely not. That last one is there purely to test what exactly they do with our unsupported devices. Its Win10 HDD is waiting in the wings, ready to go back in should they decide to pull the plug

In exactly the same position - two compliant machines, and one not for which I've saved its W10 disk (actually a 64 Gb SSD). Plus I also know what a new motherboard/processor/memory would cost should I decide to go that way. I've done this with my eyes open and decided I would like to maintain a common OS within our household.

Hardware has developed significantly since W10 first came out. I think it's unreasonable to expect MS to make every new Windows version installable and supported on all previous Windows hardware, however old. I expect MS will at some point start to exploit recent hardware changes which is when some older non-compliant machines may hit problems.

I purchased 3 Windows 7 licences in 2009 when MS had a special deal: they cost me £45 each and were full retail licences. Since then I've not spent a penny with MS for Windows, and am very pleased (and somewhat surprised) that this outlay 13 years ago has so far provided me with 6 years of W7 support, 6 years of W10 support and now ongoing W11 support.

sgage · Feb 22, 2022

Bree said:
Maybe, maybe not. That's the problem with MS, they never actually say one way or the other what they are planning to do.

I have three machines running RTM Win11, two fully supported, one definitely not. That last one is there purely to test what exactly they do with our unsupported devices. Its Win10 HDD is waiting in the wings, ready to go back in should they decide to pull the plug

wimorrison said:
The fact that you have been able to make Windows 11 run on a machine that doesn't meet the minimum requirements doesn't mean that said installation is supported by Microsoft. All it means is that you have been able to make it run.

Support is provided by Microsoft for systems that meet the published specification and as they own the software - you are only granted a licence to use it - they can enforce the minium requirements specification whenever they wish.

Yes, I know, exactly, that was the entire point of my post. I got on board during the Insiders period, and have received every update since then. If they are going to cut that off, fine. If they are not, fine. I JUST WANT TO KNOW. But MS is the rock-bottom worst at communications in the history of the modern corporation.