Future 'rug-pull' for unsupported Win 11 installs?

The-Hive · Feb 26, 2022

Wynona said:
Translated to US dates, on April Fools' Day!

UK dates to :ROFLMAO:

Winuser · Feb 26, 2022

spapakons said:
All it takes is a driver and appropriate software.

Only MS can say for sure. All we can do is wait and see.

Winuser · Feb 26, 2022

CornishRattler said:
I agree, why would MS take on the task of having 3 OS systems running at the same time. 10 will be actively supported until 2025, 11 until 2030(ish)

If they do start work on Windows 12 in March, it's still going to take time before it is ready for release. It's possible they don't release it until the end of Windows 10 support. Another possibility is that MS can make Windows 11 the last free upgrade and Windows 12 the begging of the paid upgrades again. MS has been giving us free upgrades. When they released Windows 11, they still allowed free upgrades but decided as to what hardware they wanted it to run on. This brought on a lot of users saying that MS can't do this. I not a lawyer but I do believe they do have the right to decide on what hardware specs they want their OS to run on. They haven't abandoned anyone because Windows 10 is still going to be supported for a few more years.

The-Hive · Feb 26, 2022

Too much speculation me thinks

Winuser · Feb 26, 2022

The-Hive said:
Too much speculation me thinks

Probably!

Dch48 · Feb 26, 2022

meimeiriver said:
I see what you did there. :)

spapakons said:
I have read that installing the latest iOS on older Apple devices or the latest Mac OS on older Apple computers makes them much slower. The user eventually believes his device is useless and replaces it with a new Apple device. Very dirty trick to boost sales! At least an old device running Windows 10 or 11 has exactly the same performance running Windows 7 provided all the drivers are properly installed and updated. Occasionally they might be a little faster due to better resources management.

4/1/22 for those of us in the US.

It's not a dirty trick. The older devices struggle because they're just not powerful enough to handle the new features. Google does the same thing. Windows has done a better job of supporting old devices. Up to Windows 10 at least.

OMG !! Look at me!! Defending Apple !! Hell must have frozen over. I have had a long standing personal boycott against buying anything made by them.

Dru2 · Feb 26, 2022

When Windows 8 came out, there was talk of Windows 9 (I think there was even Nine forum created?). Instead, a year later, we got Windows 8.1, three years later Windows 10.

I see the same happening here, we just got Windows 11, and there's talk of 12, but we haven't even seen the first major Windows 11 update yet. Could Windows 12 be what we got in 8.1 (instead of being called Windows 9)?

Just a thought :)

The-Hive · Feb 26, 2022

That is a good point @Dru2 but the million dollar question is Who Knows? :)

Bree · Feb 26, 2022

Wynona said:
I'm pretty sure the Proton thing has been in the works a lot longer than Windows 11. Those things don't happen overnight.

I don't know how long Pluton was in the works, but it was announced publicly on November 17, 2020.

Meet the Microsoft Pluton processor – The security chip designed for the future of Windows PCs | Microsoft Security Blog

In collaboration with leading silicon partners AMD, Intel, and Qualcomm Technologies, Inc., we are announcing the Microsoft Pluton security processor. This chip-to-cloud security technology, pioneered in Xbox and Azure Sphere, will bring even more security advancements to future Windows PCs and...

www.microsoft.com

Winuser · Feb 26, 2022

The-Hive said:
That is a good point @Dru2 but the million dollar question is Who Knows? :)

The Shadow knows!

meimeiriver · Feb 26, 2022

Bree said:
I don't know how long Pluton was in the works, but it was announced publicly on November 17, 2020.

Meet the Microsoft Pluton processor – The security chip designed for the future of Windows PCs | Microsoft Security Blog

In collaboration with leading silicon partners AMD, Intel, and Qualcomm Technologies, Inc., we are announcing the Microsoft Pluton security processor. This chip-to-cloud security technology, pioneered in Xbox and Azure Sphere, will bring even more security advancements to future Windows PCs and...

www.microsoft.com

Has Intel finally gone completely mental?! Even requiring new hardware with TPM 2.0 has already been pushing the envelope for many people. Like my old 6700K ran Windows 10 perfectly fine, and will do for 99% of all typical home applications. I bought my i9 12900K for hefty processes like x265, but that makes me the exception.

So, I bought a new Z960 motherboard and the works. If now, with Windows 12 -- assuming it's all true -- a new Pluton CPU is required, they can all go royally put it where the sun don't shine.

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spapakons · Feb 27, 2022

Interesting numbers...
Windows 2000 was NT 5.0
Windows XP was NT 5.2
Windows Vista was NT 6.0
Windows 7 was NT 6.1 (6+1=7)
Windows 8 was NT 6.2 (6+2=8)
Windows 9 later Windows 8.1 was NT 6.3 (8+1=9, 6+3=9)
Windows 10 initially was NT 6.4 (6+4=10) and later changed to 10 to agree with Windows Mobile version.

cereberus · Feb 27, 2022

spapakons said:
Interesting numbers...
Windows 2000 was NT 5.0
Windows XP was NT 5.2
Windows Vista was NT 6.0
Windows 7 was NT 6.1 (6+1=7)
Windows 8 was NT 6.2 (6+2=8)
Windows 9 later Windows 8.1 was NT 6.3 (8+1=9, 6+3=9)
Windows 10 initially was NT 6.4 (6+4=10) and later changed to 10 to agree with Windows Mobile version.

Nothing surprising there at all. NT Sequence only works because W7 started at 6.1 and 8.1 came out, and Windows 9 never materialised.
Assuming W11 and W12 followed sequence NT 6.6, NT 6.7, it will fall over when NT 6.8 comes out as that would be W14. Can you imagine W13 ever being issued?

kjlkjadfasdfasd · Feb 27, 2022

spapakons said:
Dropping support for older computers is a bad habit of Apple. Hopefully Microsoft will allow Windows 11 or newer to run in old hardware, even not officially supported. Dropping support for 32-bit systems already left out many old tablets and netbooks.

I really ~~disliked~~ loathed Windows 8, and when that tool Sinofsky doubled-down on it, I decided to go all-Apple, work & home. I bought an iMac in late 2013, and I'm irked that Apple cut it off a couple of versions back. It's frustrating to have your hardware dropped after 7 years. Computers last a lot longer than they used to.

I suspect MS will not cut off the unsupported CPUs until there's some must-have CPU feature they must implement to move Windows forward. I think Windows 11 is a tentative step in that direction. There are so many Windows machines out there that serious economic damage can come from some of these wormable exploits, and they're cognizant of that. On a few occasions we've seen them patch XP, 2003, and 2008 years after they went EOL. But some of the things they've done with Windows 11 certainly make me question my assumptions. That's why I'm keeping my unsupported PCs on 10 until it's EOL. If they're still running and there's still a way, I'll upgrade then.

spapakons · Feb 27, 2022

Windows 10 provides the same level of security with Windows 11 with the same settings and applications. For supported systems all you need to do is to install in UEFI mode, enable Secure Boot and TPM. Only the visuals change. For unsupported systems you are protected by Windows Defender in both Windows versions. So don't worry too much if you run Windows 11 on unsupported computers. As I have seen so far in numerous unsupported systems I have installed Windows 11 on, all updates install without any compatibility check. The check is done only during the initial installation or upgrade from earlier versions. In all other cases there is no difference between running Windows Update in Windows 11 or 10. Thankfully most drivers have been moved to the optional updates, so there is less risk to screw your working drivers.

Dch48 · Feb 27, 2022

spapakons said:
Windows 10 provides the same level of security with Windows 11 with the same settings and applications. For supported systems all you need to do is to install in UEFI mode, enable Secure Boot and TPM. Only the visuals change. For unsupported systems you are protected by Windows Defender in both Windows versions. So don't worry too much if you run Windows 11 on unsupported computers. As I have seen so far in numerous unsupported systems I have installed Windows 11 on, all updates install without any compatibility check. The check is done only during the initial installation or upgrade from earlier versions. In all other cases there is no difference between running Windows Update in Windows 11 or 10. Thankfully most drivers have been moved to the optional updates, so there is less risk to screw your working drivers.

This is all true, for now. I don't think it will be in a year or 2. Very possibly sooner.

spapakons · Feb 27, 2022

Windows 10 will end support in 2025 so eventually we will have to install Windows 11 on our unsupported computers or buy a new. Since me computer serves my good I wouldn't like to replace it, so why wait? I run Windows 11 right now to have the latest software.

Dch48 · Feb 27, 2022

If they continue Defender definition updates past 2025, I may very well keep my Win 10 machines past that date. I'm sure an upgrade to 11 will no longer be possible by any means.

spapakons · Feb 27, 2022

Much like Microsoft Security Essentials for Windows 7 still receive definitions updates, I guess Windows Defender will still be getting updates. If I am not mistaken these updates are common for Windows 10 and 11. I see no reason why upgrading to Windows 11 won't be possible after 2025, unless Microsoft does something weird and no hack works anymore. Hopefully not. Yet another reason to upgrade now while the hacks still work.