How to revert to old Start Menu without using third party tools?


I got the dreaded huge new Start Menu after the KB5089573 preview update. I only updated on the hearsay the update offered faster performance speeds and that was even wasting half day figuring out why the darn update wouldn't install an issue many are also having ...LoL

Does the toggle vivetool /disable /id:47205210 or vivetool /enable /id:47205210 still work?

I know these two toggle still works:
vivetool /enable /id:61754985,61225604,61596616,61596617,61596618,61596619 <-- Old Small Start Menu
vivetool /disable /id:61754985,61225604,61596616,61596617,61596618,61596619 <-- New Large Start Menu

vivetool /disable /id:47205210,49221331,49381526,49402389,49820095,55495322,48433719 <-- Old Small Start Menu
vivetool /enable /id:47205210,49221331,49381526,49402389,49820095,55495322,48433719 <-- New Large Start Menu

Also remove another annoyance of the Start Menu Recommendation Group Folders
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\Explorer]
'NoStartMenuMorePrograms"=dword:00000001

Not a fan of using Windhawk as it runs in the background.
 
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EdT586 said:
I got the dreaded huge new Start Menu after the KB5089573 preview update. I only updated on the hearsay the update offered faster performance speeds and that was even wasting half day figuring out why the darn update wouldn't install an issue many are also having ...LoL

Does the toggle vivetool /disable /id:47205210 or vivetool /enable /id:47205210 still work?

I know these two toggle still works:
vivetool /enable /id:61754985,61225604,61596616,61596617,61596618,61596619 <-- Old Small Start Menu
vivetool /disable /id:61754985,61225604,61596616,61596617,61596618,61596619 <-- New Large Start Menu

vivetool /disable /id:47205210,49221331,49381526,49402389,49820095,55495322,48433719 <-- Old Small Start Menu
vivetool /enable /id:47205210,49221331,49381526,49402389,49820095,55495322,48433719 <-- New Large Start Menu

Also remove another annoyance of the Start Menu Recommendation Group Folders
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\Explorer]
'NoStartMenuMorePrograms"=dword:00000001

Not a fan of using Windhawk as it runs in the background.
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This vivetool works great for Beta and Dev builds but not out for RP and public yet.

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FrancoDT said:
This vivetool works great for Beta and Dev builds but not out for RP and public yet.

View attachment 173219
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Is that a screenshot of 26H2 (26300.xxxx) ?
There also another issue with the "Search for apps, settings and documents" menu size it does not become smaller like the Start Menu after using these ViVeTool tweaks.
 

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    Dell OptiPlex 7070 Micro
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    Intel i5-9500T
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    DPN 6XMFM
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    Micron MTA16ATF2G64HZ-2G6E1 2x16GB(32GB) 2666mhz DDR4 SODIMM
EdT586 said:
Is that a screenshot of 26H2 (26300.xxxx) ?
There also another issue with the "Search for apps, settings and documents" menu size it does not become smaller like the Start Menu after using these ViVeTool tweaks.
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No, that's my 25H2 Beta Build 26220.8544

Enable the new Start menu resize and customization settings.
vivetool /enable /id:61754985,61225604,61596616,61596617,61596618,61596619
 

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    Alienware
    Memory
    64GB DDR5 6400MT/s
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5080 and Intel UHD Graphics
    Sound Card
    Onboard, Realtek high-performance Audio chips (ALC3329 & ALC1708))
    Monitor(s) Displays
    300HZ 18-inch QHD 500 nit Comfort View+
    Screen Resolution
    2560 x 1600
    Hard Drives
    2TB NVMe M.2 PCIe Gen 5 SSD
    Case
    Magnesium Alloy
    Cooling
    Advanced Cryo-Tech Quad-Fan Cooling system & large vapor chamber
    Keyboard
    Cherry MX ultra low profile mechanical keyboard with per key AlienFX RGB lighting
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    Logitech MX Master 4
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    Vivaldi (main), Firefox, Chrome, Edge
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    MS Defender and Malwarebytes Free
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    Qualcomm Snapdragon X Elite (12 Core) ARM based CPU
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    Microsoft Corp.
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    16GB LPDDR5
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    Qualcomm Adreno X1-85
    Sound Card
    Omnisonic speakers with Dolby Atmos spatial sound
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    120 Hz 13.8-inch 600 nit PixelSense Flow touchscreen
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    2304x1536
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    1TB NVMe Gen 4 SSD
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    Anodized Aluminum
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    Traditional active cooling fan system
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    Mechanical QWERTY, backlit when in use
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    Logitech MX Master 4 and Surface Arc Mouse
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    Vivaldi (main), Firefox, Chrome, Edge
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    MS Defender and Malwarebytes Free
FrancoDT said:
No, that's my 25H2 Beta Build 26220.8544

Enable the new Start menu resize and customization settings.
vivetool /enable /id:61754985,61225604,61596616,61596617,61596618,61596619
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I did, but I don't get those layout options in the Settings Personalization menu like you have. My build is 25H2 (26200.8524)
 

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    Intel i5-9500T
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    DPN 6XMFM
    Memory
    Micron MTA16ATF2G64HZ-2G6E1 2x16GB(32GB) 2666mhz DDR4 SODIMM
EdT586 said:
I did, but I don't get those layout options in the Settings Personalization menu like you have. My build is 25H2 (26200.8524)
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Won't work on that build I'm afraid, only Beta and above insider builds. It's coming though eventually.
 

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    Alienware
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    64GB DDR5 6400MT/s
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    NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5080 and Intel UHD Graphics
    Sound Card
    Onboard, Realtek high-performance Audio chips (ALC3329 & ALC1708))
    Monitor(s) Displays
    300HZ 18-inch QHD 500 nit Comfort View+
    Screen Resolution
    2560 x 1600
    Hard Drives
    2TB NVMe M.2 PCIe Gen 5 SSD
    Case
    Magnesium Alloy
    Cooling
    Advanced Cryo-Tech Quad-Fan Cooling system & large vapor chamber
    Keyboard
    Cherry MX ultra low profile mechanical keyboard with per key AlienFX RGB lighting
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master 4
    Browser
    Vivaldi (main), Firefox, Chrome, Edge
    Antivirus
    MS Defender and Malwarebytes Free
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    Windows 11 25H2
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    Microsoft Surface Laptop 7
    CPU
    Qualcomm Snapdragon X Elite (12 Core) ARM based CPU
    Motherboard
    Microsoft Corp.
    Memory
    16GB LPDDR5
    Graphics card(s)
    Qualcomm Adreno X1-85
    Sound Card
    Omnisonic speakers with Dolby Atmos spatial sound
    Monitor(s) Displays
    120 Hz 13.8-inch 600 nit PixelSense Flow touchscreen
    Screen Resolution
    2304x1536
    Hard Drives
    1TB NVMe Gen 4 SSD
    Case
    Anodized Aluminum
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    Traditional active cooling fan system
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    Mechanical QWERTY, backlit when in use
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    Logitech MX Master 4 and Surface Arc Mouse
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Equalness said:
The new Start Menu forced itself today on my PC, and it wouldn't disappear even after consecutive restarts. I would like to revert it without using third party tools, as those tools usually do more than just revert a setting and I don't want that (Windows 11 is so prone to files corruption/breaking nowadays).

Does anyone know of a way to achieve this? Thanks in advance.

OS version:
View attachment 164002
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I run OpenShell so the default start menu is hidden. Never see it.
 

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