Is my system ready for 24H2 without force installing?

glasskuter · Nov 13, 2024

Nipdawg said:
asking me how can they tell if they can force install the Windows 11 24H2 upgrade without any problems

They can't. Upgrade fails using windows update for some (the ones that are offered it), others not. Inplace upgrade using iso fails for some, others not. I had to do a clean install to get 24h2. For systems actually running 24h2, some work great, others have issues of various sorts. There's no rhyme or reason to any of it.

Ghot · Nov 13, 2024

Nipdawg said:
There were a few people (non-tech savvy users) that installed Windows 11 24H2 where I had to go put their system back to Windows 11 23H2. After 10 days installed period, you cannot go back to the previous version. Reloading and rebuilding computers configurations, etc. takes time when they do not back up anything. In some cases, Windows 11 24H2 automatically installed when there was incompatible proprietary software installed.

Yep... just tell them to wait till MS gets around to offering it on WU. ^^

Almost forgot... you get ten points just for filling out your computer specs.

It's really helpful, when folks ask questions and they have their comp specs and Windows version listed.
Makes it a whole lot easier for us to be able to help.

antspants · Nov 13, 2024

Nipdawg said:
Rufus is great and been using it for years.

I totally agree but believe to some degree it is still very underrated.
It’s a one stop shop for many things. It isn’t only for unsupported hardware, it is at its essence, a Media Creation Tool.

The only thing RUFUS can’t currently do is block updates on a clean install. If it had this it would be a bonus.

Apparently the new install system for 24H2 clean installs, calls on Microsoft for any updates during the install process. So if you’re using ISO build .1742 for a clean install, you will on boot to Windows most likely have build .2314 (or the most current version update)

Having RUFUS block this from happening would be a great asset.

Ghot · Nov 13, 2024

I had RUFUS make me dinner the other night.
It even washed the dishes afterwards.

steveg · Nov 13, 2024

If I had business clients clients asking me if they should force the update I would answer definitely not. That is my answer.

idgat · Nov 13, 2024

Nipdawg said:
I'm a Business IT Pro/Tech person where people have asked me this question. Just wanted to get some feedback.

Dangerous territory, especially in respect of professional responsibility, integrity and liability

So many variations - status of existing system, existing hardware, user knowledge and experience, and so on. Point them to forums such as this, by all means, let/make them do their own research but really, you're backing yourself into a corner by giving direct advice (which can easily be misunderstood or misinterpreted)

idgat · Nov 13, 2024

Ghot said:
I had RUFUS make me dinner the other night.
It even washed the dishes afterwards.

Bugger! Which version did you use? Mine just ate the food ... and left!!!!

Nipdawg · Nov 13, 2024

idgat said:
Dangerous territory, especially in respect of professional responsibility, integrity and liability

Sometimes Microsoft or the end-user installs the update without realizing what they did. If it is within the first 10 days, I let it fallback to 23H2. Lately if I don't see a problem, I keep 24H2 on the system.

In a few or so years, I will hopefully retire from the IT industry. For many years (or decades now), we always rely on reading messages in a variety of forums, news articles, etc., to always help us see the good vs bad of it all and then figure out how to correct the problems with whatever we are trying to fix.

KevTech · Nov 13, 2024

You can check if your system has a safeguard hold.

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\AppCompatFlags\TargetVersionUpgradeExperienceIndicators

Look for GE24H2

In the right pane look for GatedBlockId

Will say None if no holds on your system.

If there is a number there you can check it against the listed known issues

For example on that page the "Some ASUS devices might fail to install Windows 11, version 24H2" has safeguard id 54157480

Also check that these two say green and not orange or red.

Bree · Nov 13, 2024

Nipdawg said:
I'm a Business IT Pro/Tech person where people have asked me this question. Just wanted to get some feedback.

You can tell Windows Update to get 24H2 straight away by setting the Target Release Version for 24H2. I've done that on one of my supported devices. On the basis of what I've seen so far I'm going to wait for it to be offered to the rest, and hope that MS have ironed out some of the bugs by then.

Bree said:
Windows Update not offering 24H2 yet? Want Windows Update to get 24H2 straight away? Set the Target Release Version for 24H2 then check for updates.....

How to get the Windows 11 2024 Update (24H2) - post #36

erpster4 · Nov 14, 2024

Nipdawg said:
Sometimes Microsoft or the end-user installs the update without realizing what they did. If it is within the first 10 days, I let it fallback to 23H2. Lately if I don't see a problem, I keep 24H2 on the system.

In a few or so years, I will hopefully retire from the IT industry. For many years (or decades now), we always rely on reading messages in a variety of forums, news articles, etc., to always help us see the good vs bad of it all and then figure out how to correct the problems with whatever we are trying to fix.

those folks should look at the Askwoody.com site

November 2024 patch listing @ AskWoody

Remember I do not recommend that you install 24H2 at this time.

I usually follow the advice there and not rush to the 24H2 upgrade until MS works a bunch of the problems out (which will take several months).
might consider updating to 24H2 sometime in Q2 2025 or so

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