Let's install Windows 11 on incompatible hardware

spapakons said:

I have not confirmed the graphics card requirement, that it needs at least driver WDDM 2.0.

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I have had 11 installed and running in 2GB RAM and using the Microsoft Basic Display Adapter.


https://www.elevenforum.com/t/would...-batch-of-windows-11-computers.561/post-12824

Installed W11 on Asus Eee PC 1015px. 10" Atom N570 :) with 2gb ram. I made the usb using Rufus Beta 2 from the downloaded iso (has an option to remove tpm and processor requirements). It was quite quick and did the job for me. Made two usb's - one for uefi and one for legacy bios/MBR. So used the legacy one to install on the netbook.

But no graphics driver (and a couple of other drivers missing I think). All working fine and slightly faster than on Windows 10 - but stretched screen due to no graphics driver. Windows does have those drivers! Because it installed them for Windows 10 which was on the netbook before. Tried restarting a few times and all updates done and a long wait, but still no graphics driver.

Also installed onto HP Spectre X360 (5th generation TPM 1.2) using the usb for uefi via Rufus. Looks good and all working fine. Smooth. Lots to like - a few things to not like so much (things hidden in sub menus of sub menus and not being able to resize the start menu now I've removed most of the apps from it lol). Can't pin control panel to start menu (but can pin it to task bar - why not both?)

Bree said:

The exact wording of the statement from Microsoft is that "Devices that do not meet these system requirements will no longer be guaranteed to receive updates, including but not limited to security updates" (my bold)

I read this to mean that MS reserve the right to stop updates for unsupported devices at any time, though I suspect they won't exercise that right any time soon, if ever. But some time in the future they may want to add functions to the OS that can only work on supported devices. Rather than crashing all the unsupported ones they could pull the plug on updates. They would be able to point to that original statement should anyone complain saying 'don't say we didn't warn you'.

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@Bree: I read this exactly the same way. I have encountered Microsoft's "not supported" issue numerous times over the last two decades. It does not necessarily mean something won't install or load or run or even that it won't function just fine. Very specifically, it means that if you run into any issues at all, regardless of the reason, there will be no assistance (i.e. support) from them. In other words: "YOYO".

In the case of W11, they are, legally speaking, going on the record from the start that you may cease to be eligible for updates at any time. Or, perhaps a more subtle unspoken point: you'll get updates that simply will fail to install or, worse, install and break your system.

have anyone try install this KB5006670 on Windows 11unsuported cpu
without windows update using only cab or msu files ?

dany00711 said:

have anyone try install this KB5006670 on Windows 11unsuported cpu
without windows update using only cab or msu files ?

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Isn't this a Windows 10 update?

For your Atom Netbook, probably the chipset is the infamous Intel 915G which has only Windows XP 32-bit drivers. To get the best out of this machine you much install Windows 7 32-bit and use the Windows XP graphics driver (XPDM). The taskbar color and other effects won't be available since you need WDDM drivers for these, but it will have some hardware acceleration and be as fast as when running Windows XP. I don't recommend installing Windows XP of course, since the difference in performance is too small (provided you have installed all drivers including the XP graphics driver), but you lose a lot of compatibility, the best is 7. If you can tolerate some slowness, you can also install Windows 8 or 10 32-bit but then you are stuck with Microsoft Basic Display Adapter (no acceleration at all). The same is true if you install Windows 11 64-bit, provided you can find at least Vista 64-bit or higher for the rest of the hardware. Fortunately my Acer Aspire One A150 had the Intel 945G chipset which has WDDM drivers, so Windows 8 32-bit were OK. Unfortunately, I needed some money so I sold it to a friend before I had the chance to test Windows 10 on it. It would be the perfect unsupported system to install Windows 11 on...

Regarding updates, what I have seen so far is that you get all the updates, provided they don't check for compatibility. That excludes upgrading to the next build using Windows Update, but for that we can download the latest ISO and use the hacks. For everything else, you just search with Windows Update. I'll run Windows Update on my test VMWare Virtual Machine, confirm it and let you know.

I confirm that all available updates downloaded and installed without any warning, no compatibility checks here. So don't worry, unless there is any major upgrade to the next build.

Hi,
New updates as long as your not using amd you'll be fine
AMD well ms looks like it kills latency once again but had it fixed in 11 developer

Hazel123 said:

Installed W11 on Asus Eee PC 1015px. 10" Atom N570 :) with 2gb ram....

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We think alike. The first thing I tried W11 on was my little 10" netbook.

Bree said:

Let's see, which of my machines would be the lowest spec and least appropriate to install Windows 11 on?

That would be my little netbook, an Acer Aspire One D270.

Specs: Legacy BIOS, no TPM or secure boot. Intel Atom N2600, 2GB RAM. Even the display at 1024x600 doesn't meet Win11's minimum requirement of a "High definition (720p) display". And there are no display drivers available, so it's stuck with the Microsoft Basic Display Adapter.

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spapakons said:

For your Atom Netbook, probably the chipset is the infamous Intel 915G which has only Windows XP 32-bit drivers. To get the best out of this machine you much install Windows 7 32-bit and use the Windows XP graphics driver (XPDM). The taskbar color and other effects won't be available since you need WDDM drivers for these, but it will have some hardware acceleration and be as fast as when running Windows XP. I don't recommend installing Windows XP of course, since the difference in performance is too small (provided you have installed all drivers including the XP graphics driver), but you lose a lot of compatibility, the best is 7. If you can tolerate some slowness, you can also install Windows 8 or 10 32-bit but then you are stuck with Microsoft Basic Display Adapter (no acceleration at all). The same is true if you install Windows 11 64-bit, provided you can find at least Vista 64-bit or higher for the rest of the hardware. Fortunately my Acer Aspire One A150 had the Intel 945G chipset which has WDDM drivers, so Windows 8 32-bit were OK. Unfortunately, I needed some money so I sold it to a friend before I had the chance to test Windows 10 on it. It would be the perfect unsupported system to install Windows 11 on...

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Thanks. Just wanted to see if it would work. And I completely forgot that Windows 11 is 64 bit only - so I'm amazed it installed at all on the Eee but I think those later atom processors did have the option to install 64 bit. It is one of the later netbooks that came with Windows 7 preinstalled. I clean installed Windows 10 on it a long time ago as I'm rather fond of it, although don't use it that much. With transparency turned off and one drive uninstalled it was very useable.

So what I remember when Windows 10 came out was - it had just about every driver known to man available to install - because they wanted everyone to upgrade from Windows 7 and it certainly provided all the drivers for this machine. What I'm assuming with Windows 11 is it only provides the drivers for machines over a certain age - specifically because they DON'T want everyone upgrading from Windows 10.

Anyway I have the Windows 7 drivers. I might try that and see if it works. But what's clear is, even if it installs and runs on some old hardware, Windows is not going to provide all the drivers. It installed quite easily - found the wifi to connect to.

Now with the HP Spectre x360 - which to us is quite "new" (5th generation) I had much more difficulty installing - because it couldn't find the wifi router to connect to at install time and no graphics driver as well. All it could pick up was neighbour's mobile broadband router. So I set my phone as a personal hotspot and connected to mobile broadband. Which enabled everything to install. Eventually after doing the few updates, all the drivers installed automatically from Windows on that machine (maybe because they're the same drivers for 8th Generation HP Spectres?).

Hazel123 said:

I completely forgot that Windows 11 is 64 bit only - so I'm amazed it installed at all on the Eee but I think those later atom processors did have the option to install 64 bit

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It's the 2GB of RAM that's the biggest problem. No 64-bit OS should be asked to run in anything that small!

And there's no possibility of upgrading the RAM, 2GB is the maximum that your Atom N570 (and my N2600) can support.

Intel said:

Memory Specifications
Max Memory Size (dependent on memory type) 2 GB

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Product specifications Intel Atom® Processor N570

If trying to install the Windows 7 graphics driver it comes up with "This computer does not meet the minimum requirements for installing the software. Set up will exit". It's GMA 3150. Don't think anything will work. But I'd like to try :)

Bree said:

It's the 2GB of RAM that's the biggest problem. No 64-bit OS should be asked to run in anything that small!

And there's no possibility of upgrading the RAM, 2GB is the maximum that your Atom N570 (and my N2600) can support.
Product specifications Intel Atom® Processor N570

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Thanks :) . Amazing it works at all, but it does. Apart from the graphics. As Windows 10 actually found a graphics driver (it was fine on 10) I wonder if I could extract that from somewhere.

Hazel123 said:

Amazing it works at all, but it does. Apart from the graphics. As Windows 10 actually found a graphics driver (it was fine on 10) I wonder if I could extract that from somewhere.

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You're lucky that you have the N570, there are no graphics drivers available for my N2600. WU doesn't find any, and every 32-bit W7 one I've tried will BSOD on my x86 install of W10

I've found the Intel Vista 64 bit driver for GMA 3150 so installing that now .......and it worked . Downloaded the .exe file from here onto sd card. Just double click on the file and it installs.

Intel® Graphics Media Accelerator 3150 Driver for Windows Vista* 64-bit

Bree said:

You're lucky that you have the N570, there are no graphics drivers available for my N2600. WU doesn't find any, and every 32-bit W7 one I've tried will BSOD on my x86 install of W10

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Yes I remember that vaguely. I had two or three of the later Eee 10" netbooks and the 2600 was less upgradeable than the N570. You can get the Eee 1015px very cheap on ebay although probably not worth buying these days. I upgraded one to Windows 10 a couple of years ago and it sold for £75. I made a £5 profit lol (after ebay selling fees). I just used to like upgrading them and someone being able to have a cheap Windows 10 computer.

Bree said:

We think alike. The first thing I tried W11 on was my little 10" netbook.

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I remember the same thing on Ten forums . I also remember people getting the 701sd to run Windows 7 and all the work arounds . I had W7 on my 701sd until 7 stopped being supported. It was a bit slow though, but quite useable.

Connect your netbook to your TV (you will probably need a VGA to HDMI adapter) and try watching a video (such as Netflix or Youtube) full screen. If it displays OK (at low settings), then you can turn the netbook to a media player running Windows 11. Hint: To maximize performance, press Win+P and select to display only on the TV (second screen only). For any missing drivers for Spectre or other machine, you can either download them from another computer and copy to the machine with a USB Flash drive, or (if you have internet connection) use Snappy Driver Installer or Windows Update. Be careful to install only missing drivers (green color entries), avoid updating existing drivers (blue entries) or you may run into problems in some notebooks. Even if Snappy or Windows Update finds all drivers, I would prefer to manually upgrade to the latest official (non generic Microsoft) graphics drivers to maximize performance. In some old Intel cards the Windows 7 driver won't install on Windows 8 or higher, but the Vista might, so try that instead. Otherwise your only option is the generic Microsoft driver from Windows Update or a custom driver (such as that for my Intel Mobile 4 series aka GMA 4500).

Thanks :) The Eee 1015px netbook is working well. I also installed the Vista 64 elanpad touchpad driver. Made a slight improvement over the basic one installed, but not that much so probably not worth doing. The touchpad was a bit "sticky"/slow without it. Everything else is working fine - youtube videos play. One of the icons has disappeared from the bottom bar (the search icon). Speakers are not that loud (but can't remember what they were like before - maybe no difference). It's running quite smoothly actually. Anything else I can turn off to speed it up? So far I've just turned off transparency and uninstalled One Drive. It does have a small ssd drive as well. The Spectre seems to have everything needed. Looks great (it's not actually mine).

The Vista 64 elan touchpad driver is here - this one needed installing via device manager. Not sure how secure this website and download is but I didn't have any issues and virus scanned the file on another computer before using.

Asus Elantech Touchpad Driver 7.0.5.7 for Windows Vista 64-bit

Actually at the moment I prefer Windows 10 - I'm not keen on all the nested menus. Just about everything I want to select quickly and easily is in a separate "other options" menu.