Moving Windows 11 intact to an OEM computer


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I’ve got 2 desktops. A very old one, with lots of data and installed programs, running Win11 Pro on a full retail licence linked to my account and a newer one, fully Win11 compliant and with a big-enough SSD, running Win11 Pro on an OEM licence in a fresh state not linked but activated. (I can link it if that helps.)
I’d like to copy the intact system from the old computer onto the new SSD computer . Then junk the old computer.
But I’d like to use the new computer’s OEM licence and keep the old computer’s full retail licence unused.
Is that possible? I’ve got several hard disks for a transfer. I use Veeam (free Windows version) to backup the old computer to itself.
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For info only-not recommended. Use at your own risk. How to Move Your Windows Drive to a New PC

Personally, would never do this it myself because of all the problems having a bunch of old incompatible drivers on the drive can cause, especially graphics driver and storage controller drivers. Any old unused driver left on the drive can come back to bite you in the butt at any time. Also, if you have licensed software on the old computer that is tied to it's hardware ids, you will end up with a mess because it will be unlicensed on the new computer.

I almost always do a clean install even though installing all the software is a pain. The very few times I have not done a clean install, I made a system image of old system with Macrium Reflect Workstation. Then I restored that image to the new computer using Macrium's "restore to dissimilar hardware" feature called REDEPLOY or universal restore. This feature is not available in the free version of Macrium nor in any other free backup software that I am aware of. I know nothing about Veeam as I've never heard of it.

As far as licensed software, I always uninstall it and unregister it from old computer before I re-install it on new computer and re-regester it
 
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Are they running the same version of Windows? For example, are both Home versions or are both Pro versions? If they are the same, you could swap the drive or use a program such as Macrium Reflect to Image the old computer then restore the image to the new computer. Backup the drivers on the new computer first. Windows 10 and 11 are very forgiving about switching from one computer to another and the necessary drivers. The driver backup is just in case a driver doesn't get loaded.
 
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I’d like to copy the intact system from the old computer onto the new SSD computer....
Personally, would never do this myself....
I did do just that, my System One's Windows 10 was copied across from my old unsupported machine to a new supported one in order to get the Windows 11 upgrade offered.

The method I used was to make a system image of the old PC with Macrium Reflect. I then clean installed Windows 10 on the new PC (a necessary step as the old PC was a legacy bios/MBR machine and the new one a UEFI/GPT one). After that I deleted the C: partition on the new PC and replaced it with the C: partition from the Reflect system image.

The only registered software I had to worry about was Macrium Reflect. I unregistered it on the old machine before making the system image, then re-registered it after the system had been transferred.
 

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    AMD Athlon Silver 3050U
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    8GB
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    Radeon Graphics
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    fully 'Windows 11 ready' laptop. Windows 10 C: partition migrated from my old unsupported 'main machine' then upgraded to 11. A test migration ran Insider builds for 2 months. When 11 was released on 5th October it was re-imaged back to 10 and was offered the upgrade in Windows Update on 20th October. Windows Update offered the 22H2 Feature Update on 20th September 2022.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro.

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 4GB RAM, 128GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro 22H2 Insider Beta as a native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 4GB RAM, 128GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro.
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    Windows 11 Pro
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    Dell Lattitude E4310
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    i5 M 520
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    0T6M8G
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    unsupported machine: Legacy bios, MBR, TPM 1.2, upgraded from W10 to W11 using W10/W11 hybrid install media workaround. In-place upgrade to 22H2 using ISO and a workaround.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro.

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 4GB RAM, 128GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro 22H2 Insider Beta as a native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 4GB RAM, 128GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro.

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@Winuser, unforgiving but not infallible. I guess it depends on how clean one wants their system to be.
@Bree I didn't say it can't be done, just that I wouldn't do it. For the same reason I gave Winuser, just a risk I do not want to take, but that's just me. My clean computer OCD syndrome won't let me. :giggle:
 

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    24 gb
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To my knowledge you can't swap a SSD into another pc with windows installed as it could... (not boot, BSOD, Etc) "there are many other factors but those are the top". As stated above a clean install is best. Always back up files on a separate drive internal/external as I do
 

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@Bree I didn't say it can't be done, just that I wouldn't do it. For the same reason I gave Winuser, just a risk I do not want to take, but that's just me. My clean computer OCD syndrome won't let me. :giggle:
That's fine, in my case I'm a serial upgrader by inclination. :wink:

I had some software that came with the original OEM install of Windows 7, the initial OS for my old 'main machine', and that would have been impossible to re-install. Office Starter 2010 in particular.

As for the risks, my other supported device got a clean install of Windows 11 last October. I really cannot find any differences between the two installs as far as stability or 'cleanliness' are concerned.
 

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    Windows 11 Home
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    Laptop
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    Acer Aspire 3 A315-23
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    AMD Athlon Silver 3050U
    Memory
    8GB
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    Radeon Graphics
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    laptop screen
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    1366x768 native resolution, up to 2560x1440 with Radeon Virtual Super Resolution
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    1TB Samsung EVO 870 SSD
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    fully 'Windows 11 ready' laptop. Windows 10 C: partition migrated from my old unsupported 'main machine' then upgraded to 11. A test migration ran Insider builds for 2 months. When 11 was released on 5th October it was re-imaged back to 10 and was offered the upgrade in Windows Update on 20th October. Windows Update offered the 22H2 Feature Update on 20th September 2022.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro.

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 4GB RAM, 128GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro 22H2 Insider Beta as a native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 4GB RAM, 128GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro.
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    Windows 11 Pro
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    Laptop
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    Dell Lattitude E4310
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    i5 M 520
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    0T6M8G
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    unsupported machine: Legacy bios, MBR, TPM 1.2, upgraded from W10 to W11 using W10/W11 hybrid install media workaround. In-place upgrade to 22H2 using ISO and a workaround.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro.

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 4GB RAM, 128GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro 22H2 Insider Beta as a native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 4GB RAM, 128GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro.

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unforgiving but not infallible. I guess it depends on how clean one wants their system to be.
I remember a time when there was no way possible. I'm not sure what version made it possible. I do know that with Windows 10 and 11 that you can change computers and the OS will not only run but load the necessary drivers that are needed. It's not a 100% guarantee and that is why I said to save the drivers from the computer they are moving the OS to.
 

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    Windows 11
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    Intel Core i7-10700K
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    ASRock Z490 Phantom Gaming 4/ax
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    16GB (8GB PC4-19200 DDR4 SDRAM x2)
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    NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 TI
    Sound Card
    Realtek Audio
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    Samsung SAM0A87 Samsung SAM0D32
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    NVMe WDC WDS100T2B0C-00PXH0 1TB
    Samsung SSD 860 EVO 1TB
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    750 Watts (62.5A)
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    Logitech M185
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    Windows 11 Dev
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    HP Envy x360 15-ds1083cl
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    AMD Ryzen 7 4700U 2.0GHZ
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    16 MB DDR 4-2666
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    AMD Radeon
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    PCIe NVMe M.2 512GB
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To my knowledge you can't swap a SSD into another pc with windows installed as it could... (not boot, BSOD, Etc) "there are many other factors but those are the top". As stated above a clean install is best. Always back up files on a separate drive internal/external as I do
Your knowledge would be outdated. There is a very good chance that an SSD with Windows 10 or 11 can be moved from one computer to another and Windows 10/11 will just install drivers and continue to run like nothing happened.
 

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    Homebuilt
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    AMD Ryzen 7 3800XT
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    ASUS ROG Crosshair VII Hero (WiFi)
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    32GB
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    EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Education
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    Laptop
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    Dell Inspiron 7773
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    Intel i7-8550U
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    32GB
    Graphics card(s)
    Nvidia Geforce MX150
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    Realtek
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But I’d like to use the new computer’s OEM licence and keep the old computer’s full retail licence unused.
Is that possible? I’ve got several hard disks for a transfer. I use Veeam (free Windows version) to backup the old computer to itself.
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New 22000.978
OEM v. Retail license no longer matters. Just change the installed Windows 11 Pro product keys to VK7JG-NPHTM-C97JM-9MPGT-3V66T and you will end up with a retail digital license.
 

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    Windows 11
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    Homebuilt
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    AMD Ryzen 7 3800XT
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    ASUS ROG Crosshair VII Hero (WiFi)
    Memory
    32GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Education
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    Laptop
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    Dell Inspiron 7773
    CPU
    Intel i7-8550U
    Memory
    32GB
    Graphics card(s)
    Nvidia Geforce MX150
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    Realtek
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    17"
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    1920 x 1080
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    Toshiba 512GB NVMe SSD
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My 2 cents on the matter...

First, I agree wholeheartedly with NavyLCDR in that I believe that there there is a very high probability that it will simply work.

However, if I understand correctly, your intent is to COPY the drive from the old system to the new one, not actually move the drive, is that correct? If that is the case, great!. You could simply use a program like Macrium Reflect to backup from the old system, then restore to the new system. Reflect includes a feature that they call "Macrium ReDeploy" which is specifically designed to restore to dissimilar hardware.

NOTE: I know that ReDeploy is not included in the 30 day free trial, but I am not sure if this feature is included in the free edition or not.

In any case, my suggestion would be to try something like this:

1) Make a backup of the OLD system.
2) Make a backup of the NEW system.
3) Restore the backup from the OLD system to the NEW system.

Is everything working? If so, you are done. If not, you could perform some troubleshooting, or, if absolutely unable to get it to work, you could simply restore your backup of the NEW system to get right back to where you were before.
 

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    ASUS Prime Z590-A
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    128GB Crucial Ballistix 3200MHz DRAM
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    No GPU - CPU graphics only (for now)
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    HP Envy 32
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    Hard Drives
    1 x 1TB NVMe Gen 4 x 4 SSD
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    CODE backlit mechanical keyboard
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    1Gb Up / 1 Gb Down
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    Additional options installed:
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  • Operating System
    Dual Boot Windows 11 Pro 22H2 and Windows 10 Pro 22H2
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    HP Spectre x360 15-BL012DX
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    Intel i7-7500U
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    32GB
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    Dual Intel HD 620 and Nvidia GeForce 940MX
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I agree 100% with glasskuter
There is nothing like a clean install.
You can copy the old computer drive into the new computer with all the trash it accumulated over the years. It is a workaround. Nothing like a clean install.
 

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    GA-Z170-HD3P
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    Samsung 226BW
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    (1) -1 SM951 – 128GB M.2 AHCI PCIe SSD drive for Windows 7 and Lubuntu
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    Old and good Chicony mechanical keyboard
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    Logitech mX performance - 9 buttons (had to disable some)
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    i7-4500U 800- 3000MHz
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    Asus Q550LF
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    (4+4)G DDR3 1600
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    IG intel 4400 + NVIDIA GeForce GT 745M
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    Realtek
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    LG Display LP156WF4-SPH1
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with all the trash
And it is definitely there...old unused drivers, old files, old registry entries, old leftover files that uninstallers didn't remove. If one thinks all that accumulated junk doesn't affect a computers efficiency and performance, you're fooling yourself. Just because it works, doesn't mean it can't work better, especially on a brand new system. (shudder) See, I told you I had clean computer OCD syndrome. It's incurable.
 

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    i9-10900 10 core 20 threads
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    Windows 10 Pro 21H2
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    Dell Optiplex 9020
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    i7-4770
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    24 gb
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    256 gb Toshiba BG4 M.2 NVE SSB and 1 tb hdd
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You can copy the old computer drive into the new computer with all the trash it accumulated over the years. It is a workaround. Nothing like a clean install.
If one thinks all that accumulated junk doesn't affect a computers efficiency and performance, you're fooling yourself....
I really have no issues I can find in more than seven years of doing it :wink:

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I told you I had clean computer OCD syndrome.
So do I - but it manifests in thoroughly cleaning up my systems on a regular basis, not in doing clean installs. :wink:
 

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    Windows 11 Home
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    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Aspire 3 A315-23
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    AMD Athlon Silver 3050U
    Memory
    8GB
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    Radeon Graphics
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    laptop screen
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    1366x768 native resolution, up to 2560x1440 with Radeon Virtual Super Resolution
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    1TB Samsung EVO 870 SSD
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    fully 'Windows 11 ready' laptop. Windows 10 C: partition migrated from my old unsupported 'main machine' then upgraded to 11. A test migration ran Insider builds for 2 months. When 11 was released on 5th October it was re-imaged back to 10 and was offered the upgrade in Windows Update on 20th October. Windows Update offered the 22H2 Feature Update on 20th September 2022.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro.

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 4GB RAM, 128GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro 22H2 Insider Beta as a native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 4GB RAM, 128GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro.
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    Windows 11 Pro
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    Dell Lattitude E4310
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    i5 M 520
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    0T6M8G
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    8GB
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    1366x768
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    500GB HDD
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    unsupported machine: Legacy bios, MBR, TPM 1.2, upgraded from W10 to W11 using W10/W11 hybrid install media workaround. In-place upgrade to 22H2 using ISO and a workaround.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro.

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 4GB RAM, 128GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro 22H2 Insider Beta as a native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 4GB RAM, 128GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro.

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I really have no issues I can find in more than seven years of doing it :wink:
But aren't those upgrades done on the same computer. The OP's situation is entirely different.
 

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    Windows 11 Pro 22H2 22621.1105
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    Dell Optiplex 7080
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    i9-10900 10 core 20 threads
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    DELL 0J37VM
    Memory
    32 gb
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    none-Intel UHD Graphics 630
    Sound Card
    Integrated Realtek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Benq 27
    Screen Resolution
    2560x1440
    Hard Drives
    256 m.2 2230-256+1 tb hdd
    PSU
    500w
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    MT
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    Dell Premium
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    Logitech wired
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    Logitech wireless
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    so slow I'm too embarrassed to tell
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    Firefox
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    Defender+MWB Premium
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    Windows 10 Pro 21H2
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    Dell Optiplex 9020
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    i7-4770
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    24 gb
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    Benq 27
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    2560x1440
    Hard Drives
    256 gb Toshiba BG4 M.2 NVE SSB and 1 tb hdd
    PSU
    500w
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    MT
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    Dell factory
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But aren't those upgrades done on the same computer. The OP's situation is entirely different.
No, the OS (and all its installed apps) was moved to a completely new and very different computer in September 2021 so that it would be running on a supported device, ready to be offered Windows 11 at launch. The old machine was a Legacy BIOS/MBR machine with Intel cpu and Intel HD graphics, the new one a UEFI/GPT machine with an AMD processor and AMD Radeon graphics.
 

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  • OS
    Windows 11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
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    Acer Aspire 3 A315-23
    CPU
    AMD Athlon Silver 3050U
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Radeon Graphics
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    laptop screen
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768 native resolution, up to 2560x1440 with Radeon Virtual Super Resolution
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    1TB Samsung EVO 870 SSD
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    fully 'Windows 11 ready' laptop. Windows 10 C: partition migrated from my old unsupported 'main machine' then upgraded to 11. A test migration ran Insider builds for 2 months. When 11 was released on 5th October it was re-imaged back to 10 and was offered the upgrade in Windows Update on 20th October. Windows Update offered the 22H2 Feature Update on 20th September 2022.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro.

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 4GB RAM, 128GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro 22H2 Insider Beta as a native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 4GB RAM, 128GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Lattitude E4310
    CPU
    i5 M 520
    Motherboard
    0T6M8G
    Memory
    8GB
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768
    Hard Drives
    500GB HDD
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    unsupported machine: Legacy bios, MBR, TPM 1.2, upgraded from W10 to W11 using W10/W11 hybrid install media workaround. In-place upgrade to 22H2 using ISO and a workaround.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro.

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 4GB RAM, 128GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro 22H2 Insider Beta as a native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 4GB RAM, 128GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro.

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Like I said, I'm not saying windows won't find the correct drivers and keep on trucking. Normally, it will, but there will be leftover junk. I know that Windows is much more intuitive with drivers than it used to be. It may work for the OP as it did for you, but it could also just as easily BSOD on him immediately or at some time on down the road. I doubt most folks are as consciencess as us old-timers in thoroughly cleaning up their systems on a regular basis, just as they are not as proficient at knowing what to do if they do BSOD.

I know many of you disagree with me, and I respect that. We all disagree on a regular basis around here. I look at this way. When it comes to old useless drivers it would take a lot longer trying to clean them up than it would to clean install. As to the registry, unless we want to resort to using one of those dangerous third party registry cleaning tools...or our name is Brink... we can't clean all the useless registry entries nor can we clean out all the old dlls that aren't used anymore. This stuff accumulates, just as the dirt in our case. Does windows still work, Sure, but there's nothing quite like a clean install to make it lean,mean, and more efficient.

The OP did not give us the specs on either system. If his new system has any Intel 11th or 12th generation CPU (and most 10th generations as well) it will NOT boot without the Intel IRST driver pre-loaded. You can't even clean install on these systems without using the f6 drivers during install because it won't recognize the disks.
 

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    Windows 11 Pro 22H2 22621.1105
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    PC/Desktop
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    Dell Optiplex 7080
    CPU
    i9-10900 10 core 20 threads
    Motherboard
    DELL 0J37VM
    Memory
    32 gb
    Graphics Card(s)
    none-Intel UHD Graphics 630
    Sound Card
    Integrated Realtek
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    Benq 27
    Screen Resolution
    2560x1440
    Hard Drives
    256 m.2 2230-256+1 tb hdd
    PSU
    500w
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    MT
    Cooling
    Dell Premium
    Keyboard
    Logitech wired
    Mouse
    Logitech wireless
    Internet Speed
    so slow I'm too embarrassed to tell
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Defender+MWB Premium
  • Operating System
    Windows 10 Pro 21H2
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Optiplex 9020
    CPU
    i7-4770
    Memory
    24 gb
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Benq 27
    Screen Resolution
    2560x1440
    Hard Drives
    256 gb Toshiba BG4 M.2 NVE SSB and 1 tb hdd
    PSU
    500w
    Case
    MT
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    Dell factory
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    Logitech wireless
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I always find it interesting how much of a preference people have for one option or the other (clean install vs upgrades). I fully admit that I include myself in that.

However, if there is one thing I have learned, it's that flexibility is the name of the game. It pays to have a good grasp on how to perform either an upgrade or a clean install and to have a good recovery plan in place for whatever procedure you elect. In the event of a clean install it is helpful to have a good plan in place in advance. For example, I organize all of my data in a very specific manner so that if I need to restore specific data from a backup I can grab the important bits very rapidly. Also I have a single batch file that completely customizes Windows, installs all drivers, and all apps. I can do a clean install from start to finish with everything installed in probably 30 to 40 minutes, max.
 

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  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 22H2
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    PC/Desktop
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    Home Built
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    Intel i7-11700K
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    ASUS Prime Z590-A
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    128GB Crucial Ballistix 3200MHz DRAM
    Graphics Card(s)
    No GPU - CPU graphics only (for now)
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    Realtek (on motherboard)
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    HP Envy 32
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    2560 x 1440
    Hard Drives
    1 x 1TB NVMe Gen 4 x 4 SSD
    1 x 2TB NVMe Gen 3 x 4 SSD
    2 x 512GB 2.5" SSDs
    2 x 8TB HD
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    Corsair HX850i
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    Corsair iCue 5000X RGB
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    Noctua NH-D15 chromax.black cooler + 10 case fans
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    CODE backlit mechanical keyboard
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    Logitech MX Master 3
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    1Gb Up / 1 Gb Down
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    Chromium Edge
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    Windows Defender
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    Additional options installed:
    WiFi 6E PCIe adapter
    ASUS ThunderboltEX 4 PCIe adapter
  • Operating System
    Dual Boot Windows 11 Pro 22H2 and Windows 10 Pro 22H2
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP Spectre x360 15-BL012DX
    CPU
    Intel i7-7500U
    Memory
    32GB
    Graphics card(s)
    Dual Intel HD 620 and Nvidia GeForce 940MX
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    Built-in Realtek HD Audio
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    4k 15-inch
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    4k (3840 x 2160)
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    1TB Seagate FireCuda 510 NVMe SSD
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    RAM Upgraded from 16GB to 32GB WiFi Upgraded from WiFi 5 to WiFi 6 SSD upgraded from 512GB NVMe SSD to 1TB Seagate FireCuda 510 NVMe SSD

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The OP did not give us the specs on either system. If his new system has any Intel 11th or 12th generation CPU (and most 10th generations as well) it will NOT boot without the Intel IRST driver pre-loaded. You can't even clean install on these systems without using the f6 drivers during install because it won't recognize the disks.
Could you educate me on this? I admit I'm a bit ignorant on IRST. Under what conditions is the IRST driver needed? My primary desktop is an ASUS MB with an 11th Gen Intel CPU and I have never ever installed the IRST driver on that machine. What exactly does the IRST driver buy me?
 

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  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 22H2
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    PC/Desktop
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    Home Built
    CPU
    Intel i7-11700K
    Motherboard
    ASUS Prime Z590-A
    Memory
    128GB Crucial Ballistix 3200MHz DRAM
    Graphics Card(s)
    No GPU - CPU graphics only (for now)
    Sound Card
    Realtek (on motherboard)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    HP Envy 32
    Screen Resolution
    2560 x 1440
    Hard Drives
    1 x 1TB NVMe Gen 4 x 4 SSD
    1 x 2TB NVMe Gen 3 x 4 SSD
    2 x 512GB 2.5" SSDs
    2 x 8TB HD
    PSU
    Corsair HX850i
    Case
    Corsair iCue 5000X RGB
    Cooling
    Noctua NH-D15 chromax.black cooler + 10 case fans
    Keyboard
    CODE backlit mechanical keyboard
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master 3
    Internet Speed
    1Gb Up / 1 Gb Down
    Browser
    Chromium Edge
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
    Other Info
    Additional options installed:
    WiFi 6E PCIe adapter
    ASUS ThunderboltEX 4 PCIe adapter
  • Operating System
    Dual Boot Windows 11 Pro 22H2 and Windows 10 Pro 22H2
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP Spectre x360 15-BL012DX
    CPU
    Intel i7-7500U
    Memory
    32GB
    Graphics card(s)
    Dual Intel HD 620 and Nvidia GeForce 940MX
    Sound Card
    Built-in Realtek HD Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    4k 15-inch
    Screen Resolution
    4k (3840 x 2160)
    Hard Drives
    1TB Seagate FireCuda 510 NVMe SSD
    Internet Speed
    1Gb Up / 1Gb Down
    Browser
    Chromium Edge
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    Windows Defender
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    RAM Upgraded from 16GB to 32GB WiFi Upgraded from WiFi 5 to WiFi 6 SSD upgraded from 512GB NVMe SSD to 1TB Seagate FireCuda 510 NVMe SSD

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It is funny how the "clean install" brigade's opinions are largely based on experience dating back to days of Windows 7 when transferring os from one hardware to another was very hit and miss, and they also neglect to tell you of the hidden time overhead of getting all settings back to users personal taste.

As @NavyLCDR, @hsehestedt says there is a very good chance that simply "cloning" OS from old device to new device will work on W10/W11.

The main issue is if the new pc has nvme drives and old one does not.

I make a custom install.wim of old pc (using dism), create a usb installation drive replacing install wim, inject nvme drivers of new pc into boot wim and install.wim, and install. If I have an working version of windows on new pc, I export all drivers for injection into install wim.

It works every time. Then a quick check in device manager for any unresolved drivers

Sounds complicated - I have batch files to do all the hard work They are all based on @Kari's tutorials.

I actually use the above even when a simpler cloning might work, simply because injecting drivers means minimal work in device management.

I transferred from AMD, SSD , no TPM laptop to Intel, NVME, TPM both with competely different graphics, audio, ethernet, wifi drivers and it worked first time.
The only tricky part was creating custom iso as it sometimes falls over on OneDrive. I just temporarily uninstall it old old pc first, then create install.wim and then install OneDrive on new pc.

I then sometimes use DriverStoreExplorer to remove unwanted drivers. However it does not harm anything leaving them. Of course, I make image backups with Reflect first.

In the end, there is no harm in trying to move an existing OS to new pc Worst case is you waste a bit of time, and end up clean installing later.

I do not buy the clean up argument - that just means user has not properly maintained old device.

I have never done a clean install of my main installation from W8 through to W11, now on my 3rd laptop. My pc still idles around 1%.

It is garbage to worry about some detritus of old versions in registry. It makes no difference to performance.

So, "Clean Install Brigade", move into the 2020s and put all your outdated prejudices to the dustbin of history.
 
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    ASUS Vivobook 14
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    I7
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    Yep, Laptop has one.
    Memory
    16 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Integrated Intel Iris XE
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    Realtek built in
    Monitor(s) Displays
    N/A
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    1 TB Optane NVME SSD, 1 TB NVME SSD
    PSU
    Yep, got one
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    Yep, got one
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    Stella Artois
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    Built in
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    Bluetooth , wired
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