RAM addition question


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I'm currently running 16GB RAM. My motherboard is a Gigabyte B365M DS3H WIFI.
My memory is two sticks of TFORCE 8GB each
HWiNFO reports the memory sticks are 8GB PC4-24000 each. (Team Group UD4-3000)

My question is if I wanted to add more RAM do, I specifically need to look for PC4-2400 or could I install faster RAM knowing that if would run only as fast as the slowest RAM?
With memory prices sky high and trying to match the existing memory I also wonder about mix and match vendors?

Thanks for any comments
 

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From your motherboard's specs...

Support for DDR4 2666/ 2400/ 2133 MHz memory modules
* To support 2666 MHz or XMP memory, you must install a 9th or 8th Generation Intel Core i9/i7/i5 processor.



I would just stick with 2400Mhz RAM. You're gonna have plenty of trouble just finding DDR4 RAM.
But yes, your board can support 2666Mhz RAM, but you won't notice that much difference is speed.

NOTE: The highest speed your CPU will support is 2666Mhz.


If it were me, I'd save my shillings for a completely new build, down the line a bit.
 

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Ghot I am running an Intel Core I5-9400
 

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Ghot I am running an Intel Core I5-9400


I know... I looked in your specs. :-)




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Same website this is your 6 core CPU speed...

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Windows 11 is pushing the limit of your CPU too.
Same with the vid card.

That's why I suggest you save up for a complete rebuild.


Wait till the RAM prices drop again, and build a newer comp.
I'm doing the same thing... waiting.
I built my current comp 6 years ago.

I was just considering new mobo, CPU, RAM and possibly vid card, when they blamed AI on rising prices.. :-)



While you're waiting, maybe consider something like this... (and a new power supply)


Or this...


Power supply...


Then next year, upgrade the mobo, CPU and RAM.
 
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I'm currently running 16GB RAM. My motherboard is a Gigabyte B365M DS3H WIFI.
My memory is two sticks of TFORCE 8GB each
HWiNFO reports the memory sticks are 8GB PC4-24000 each. (Team Group UD4-3000)

My question is if I wanted to add more RAM do, I specifically need to look for PC4-2400 or could I install faster RAM knowing that if would run only as fast as the slowest RAM?
With memory prices sky high and trying to match the existing memory I also wonder about mix and match vendors?

Thanks for any comments
As far as I know, it isn't possible to run two pairs of RAM at different frequencies. Or with different timings.

Years ago, I added non-identical RAM to a PC. (Different specs, different makers.) If memory serves, I had to manually set the RAM frequency and principal timings to get stable operation. The numbers were set by the slower RAM.

I'd formerly have recommended staying with 2 DIMMs by replacing the existing ones with higher-capacity ones, but given current RAM pricing...

If the AI boom turns out to be a bubble, things may normalize after the bubble bursts. If that leads to a recession, we may not have the spare funds to put into PC upgrades. :(
 

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Given the (almost double)increase in recent RAM prices.. now is probably NOT the best time to upgrade.
But, 16GB 2400 DDR4 is running around $115 on Amazon for no-name brands.
G.Skill and others "name"' brands will run you $150+
 

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Lowest timings for 2666Mhz RAM I could find... and... it's "USED" RAM





"New" but horribad timings, so slower...








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Ship/sold by MengYuanDianZi in Taiwan


Ship/sold by Newegg but high (slow), timings...



For the same frequency RAM, say 2666Mhz, you want the lowest timings you can find.
 
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Ghot that was the plan. I just updated my power supply on my specs. I recently upgraded to the MSI A1000GL PCIE5 power supply. I had intermittent shutdowns and the new power supply fixed that. Purchased a new "fish tank" case intending to upgrade even more when all the prices went sky high.
I wasn't intending to add more RAM to my current system, but given today's cost for newer DDR5 I was holding off upgrading MB, CPU and memory.
 

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    Gigabyte B365M D3SH WIFI
    Memory
    16GB tforce
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    GeForce GTX950 SSC
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Ghot that was the plan. I just updated my power supply on my specs. I recently upgraded to the MSI A1000GL PCIE5 power supply. I had intermittent shutdowns and the new power supply fixed that. Purchased a new "fish tank" case intending to upgrade even more when all the prices went sky high.
I wasn't intending to add more RAM to my current system, but given today's cost for newer DDR5 I was holding off upgrading MB, CPU and memory.


The cost for ALL RAM went up.
To replace my DDR4 Gskill 3200Mhz RAM... 14-14-14-34... (F4-3200C14D-16GTZKW)

I can't find it anywhere in the US (new).
It's the CL 14 that makes it impossible to find.
 

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    Asus Pro WS X570-ACE (BIOS 5302)
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    G.Skill (F4-3200C14D-16GTZKW)
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    EVGA RTX 2070 (08G-P4-2171-KR)
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    Realtek ALC1220P / ALC S1220A
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    AMD Athlon 64 X2 5000+ (OC'd @ 3.2Ghz)
    Motherboard
    ASUS M2N32-SLI Deluxe Wireless Edition
    Memory
    TWIN2X2048-6400C4DHX (2 x 1GB, DDR2 800)
    Graphics card(s)
    EVGA 256-P2-N758-TR GeForce 8600GT SSC
    Sound Card
    Onboard
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    ViewSonic G90FB Black 19" Professional (CRT)
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    up to 2048 x 1536
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    WD 36GB 10,000rpm Raptor SATA
    Seagate 80GB 7200rpm SATA
    Lite-On LTR-52246S CD/RW
    Lite-On LH-18A1P CD/DVD Burner
    PSU
    PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750 Quad EPS12V
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    Generic Beige case, 80mm fans
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    ZALMAN 9500A 92mm CPU Cooler
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    Logitech Classic Keybooard 200
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    Logitech Optical M-BT96a
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    300/300
    Browser
    Firefox 3.x ??
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    Symantec (Norton)
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    Still assembled, still runs. Haven't turned it on for 15 years?
The cost for ALL RAM went up.
To replace my DDR4 Gskill 3200Mhz RAM... 14-14-14-34... (F4-3200C14D-16GTZKW)

I can't find it anywhere in the US (new).
It's the CL 14 that makes it impossible to find.
I wondered.


China and Hong Hong. Insanely expensive.
 

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    Gigabyte TRX50 Aero D Rev. 1.0
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    128GB (4 X 32) G.Skill DDR5 6400 (RDIMM)
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    Gigabyte RTX 4090 OC
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    none (USB to speakers), Realtek
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    Seagate 18TB IronWolf Pro
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    BeQuiet! Straight Power 12 1500W
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    Lian Li 011 Dynamic Evo XL
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    SilverStone Technology XE360-TR5, with 3 Phanteks T30 fans
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    Cherry KC 500 MX LP (mechanical)
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    Logitech M500s (wired)
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    xFinity gateway
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    Intel I9-13900K
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    Asus RoG Strix Z690-E
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    64GB G.Skill DDR5-6000
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    Gigabyte RTX 3090 ti
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    built in Realtek
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    Philips 27E1N8900 27" OLED
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    Corsair iCUE H150i ELITE CAPELLIX Liquid CPU Cooler
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    Cherry Streaming (wired)
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    Logitech M500s (wired)
i have just been checking eBay UK
DDR4 2666 Dimm 32GB (2x16) is about £80/90 GBP
also DDR4 3200 is backward compatible.

which compared to new ram prices is very good.
its just a thought
best of luck Steve ..
 

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Although some have said that latency isn't a thing anymore. I can only vouch from personal experience that there is a point at which your CL will matter more than the frequency of your RAM. If you have a latency of 14-14-14 you're better off keeping that DDR4 RAM on that particular system board. TEAM GROUP is known for reliable and stable RAM. Again, speaking from experience, I own 32GB of TEAM GROUP RAM that is more flexible than the Corsair Dominator RAM I'm using in my main. By "flexible" I mean that I can select half a dozen different clock settings and they all work! You could just XMP your RAM if you haven't done that already but T-FORCE is known to be user friendly to manual over clocking. I can promise you that you really won't experience much of a noticeable difference simply by swapping out 2400 with 2666 Dimms. IMO you'd be wasting money better spent on other hardware. Myself, I'd just OC the RAM and try to keep as low latency as possible.

Speed isn't everything and 16GB of RAM is generally adequate for most domestic end users. I would say there's plenty of life in the old girl yet, but I'm biased. I like older systems. If you're a gamer I would recommend looking at getting a newer GFX card, preferably one that comes with at least 8GB of RAM. As it currently stands your graphics card is likely generating a bottleneck. EVGA GeForce GTX 950 SSC Review
 

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System One

  • OS
    WIN 11, WIN 10, WIN 8.1, WIN 7 U, WIN 7 PRO, WIN 7 HOME (32 Bit), LINUX MINT
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    DIY, ASUS, and DELL
    CPU
    Intel i7 6900K and i9-7960X / AMD 3800X (8 core)
    Motherboard
    ASUS X99E-WS USB 3.1 and ASUS X299 SAGE
    Memory
    128 GB CORSAIR DOMINATOR PLATINUM (B DIE)
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA 1070 and RTX 3070
    Sound Card
    Crystal Sound (onboard)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    single Samsung 30" 4K and 8" aux monitor
    Screen Resolution
    4K and something equally attrocious. I'll be working on this.
    Hard Drives
    A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J, K, L, M, N, O, P, Q, R, S, T, U, V, W

    Ports X, Y, and Z are reserved for USB access and removable drives.

    Drive types consist of the following: Various mechanical hard drives bearing the brand names, Seagate, Toshiba, and Western Digital. Various NVMe drives bearing the brand names Kingston, Intel, Silicon Power, Crucial, Western Digital, and Team Group. Various SATA SSDs bearing various different brand names.

    RAID arrays included:

    LSI RAID 10 (WD Velociraptors) 1115.72 GB
    LSI RAID 10 (WD SSDS) 463.80 GB

    INTEL RAID 0 (KINGSTON HYPER X) System 447.14 GB
    INTEL RAID 1 TOSHIBA ENTERPRIZE class Data 2794.52 GB
    INTEL RAID 1 SEAGATE HYBRID 931.51 GB
    PSU
    SEVERAL. I prefer my Corsair Platinum HX1000i but I also like EVGA power supplies
    Case
    ThermalTake Level 10 GT (among others)
    Cooling
    Noctua is my favorite and I use it in my main. I also own various other coolers.
    Keyboard
    all kinds.
    Mouse
    all kinds
    Internet Speed
    360 mbps - 1 gbps (depending)
    Browser
    FIREFOX
    Antivirus
    KASPERSKY (no apologies)
    Other Info
    Gave Dell touch screen with Windows 11 to daughter and got me an OTVOC. Being a PC builder I own many desktop PCs as well. I am a father of five providing PCs, laptops, and tablets for all my family, most of which I have modified, rebuilt, or simply built from scratch. I do not own a cell phone, never have, never will.
Scannerman that line of yours ("I would say there's plenty of life in the old girl yet") made a lot of sense to me. I guess that since things are working ok here, I'll just sit pat for now and see what happens with all this AI business.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Home built
    CPU
    Intel i5 9400
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte B365M D3SH WIFI
    Memory
    16GB tforce
    Graphics Card(s)
    GeForce GTX950 SSC
    Monitor(s) Displays
    View Sonic VX 3216 32" curved screen
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    Crucial 250GB, Western Digital 6TB
    PSU
    MSI MAG A1000GL PCIE5
    Cooling
    standard Intel fan
    Keyboard
    Microsoft 3000 version 2
    Mouse
    Microsoft 3000
    Internet Speed
    symmetrical 50Mb fiber feed
    Browser
    Edge and Chrome
    Antivirus
    using Windows Defender
Scannerman that line of yours ("I would say there's plenty of life in the old girl yet") made a lot of sense to me. I guess that since things are working ok here, I'll just sit pat for now and see what happens with all this AI business.
Well, if your experience has been anything like mine you'll likely want to remove as much of that AI slop from your OS as possible. There are tutorials here that can help you get rid of Co Pilot. I'd recommend getting a replacement graphics card for that unit. I purchased an old, used MSI 1050Ti card for someone using a very old i7 rig and they were so impressed with the difference they're still using it today. If you're experiencing lag and general sluggishness that's likely where your problem is. A 2GB GFX card just doesn't cut it anymore these days if you're doing anything even moderately graphics intensive.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    WIN 11, WIN 10, WIN 8.1, WIN 7 U, WIN 7 PRO, WIN 7 HOME (32 Bit), LINUX MINT
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    DIY, ASUS, and DELL
    CPU
    Intel i7 6900K and i9-7960X / AMD 3800X (8 core)
    Motherboard
    ASUS X99E-WS USB 3.1 and ASUS X299 SAGE
    Memory
    128 GB CORSAIR DOMINATOR PLATINUM (B DIE)
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA 1070 and RTX 3070
    Sound Card
    Crystal Sound (onboard)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    single Samsung 30" 4K and 8" aux monitor
    Screen Resolution
    4K and something equally attrocious. I'll be working on this.
    Hard Drives
    A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J, K, L, M, N, O, P, Q, R, S, T, U, V, W

    Ports X, Y, and Z are reserved for USB access and removable drives.

    Drive types consist of the following: Various mechanical hard drives bearing the brand names, Seagate, Toshiba, and Western Digital. Various NVMe drives bearing the brand names Kingston, Intel, Silicon Power, Crucial, Western Digital, and Team Group. Various SATA SSDs bearing various different brand names.

    RAID arrays included:

    LSI RAID 10 (WD Velociraptors) 1115.72 GB
    LSI RAID 10 (WD SSDS) 463.80 GB

    INTEL RAID 0 (KINGSTON HYPER X) System 447.14 GB
    INTEL RAID 1 TOSHIBA ENTERPRIZE class Data 2794.52 GB
    INTEL RAID 1 SEAGATE HYBRID 931.51 GB
    PSU
    SEVERAL. I prefer my Corsair Platinum HX1000i but I also like EVGA power supplies
    Case
    ThermalTake Level 10 GT (among others)
    Cooling
    Noctua is my favorite and I use it in my main. I also own various other coolers.
    Keyboard
    all kinds.
    Mouse
    all kinds
    Internet Speed
    360 mbps - 1 gbps (depending)
    Browser
    FIREFOX
    Antivirus
    KASPERSKY (no apologies)
    Other Info
    Gave Dell touch screen with Windows 11 to daughter and got me an OTVOC. Being a PC builder I own many desktop PCs as well. I am a father of five providing PCs, laptops, and tablets for all my family, most of which I have modified, rebuilt, or simply built from scratch. I do not own a cell phone, never have, never will.
Scannerman I wouldn't mind buying a used GPU, but I'm a little leery thinking I might be buying something that isn't working as it should.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Home built
    CPU
    Intel i5 9400
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte B365M D3SH WIFI
    Memory
    16GB tforce
    Graphics Card(s)
    GeForce GTX950 SSC
    Monitor(s) Displays
    View Sonic VX 3216 32" curved screen
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    Crucial 250GB, Western Digital 6TB
    PSU
    MSI MAG A1000GL PCIE5
    Cooling
    standard Intel fan
    Keyboard
    Microsoft 3000 version 2
    Mouse
    Microsoft 3000
    Internet Speed
    symmetrical 50Mb fiber feed
    Browser
    Edge and Chrome
    Antivirus
    using Windows Defender
Scannerman I wouldn't mind buying a used GPU, but I'm a little leery thinking I might be buying something that isn't working as it should.
If there were ever a time to buy used it would be the present time. E-Bay has good buyer protection now and so does Amazon. There has been the occasional instant where I have had to return a faulty used product but this is rare. I repair/rebuild for retired people and people's children. They don't have a lot finances to play with. In some ways buying used is better. You have an item that has been tried and tested. What with the price of silicon these days it's pretty much the only way to buy unless you have money to burn. Even something like this would be a vast improvement to what you're currently using. RX580
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    WIN 11, WIN 10, WIN 8.1, WIN 7 U, WIN 7 PRO, WIN 7 HOME (32 Bit), LINUX MINT
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    DIY, ASUS, and DELL
    CPU
    Intel i7 6900K and i9-7960X / AMD 3800X (8 core)
    Motherboard
    ASUS X99E-WS USB 3.1 and ASUS X299 SAGE
    Memory
    128 GB CORSAIR DOMINATOR PLATINUM (B DIE)
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA 1070 and RTX 3070
    Sound Card
    Crystal Sound (onboard)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    single Samsung 30" 4K and 8" aux monitor
    Screen Resolution
    4K and something equally attrocious. I'll be working on this.
    Hard Drives
    A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J, K, L, M, N, O, P, Q, R, S, T, U, V, W

    Ports X, Y, and Z are reserved for USB access and removable drives.

    Drive types consist of the following: Various mechanical hard drives bearing the brand names, Seagate, Toshiba, and Western Digital. Various NVMe drives bearing the brand names Kingston, Intel, Silicon Power, Crucial, Western Digital, and Team Group. Various SATA SSDs bearing various different brand names.

    RAID arrays included:

    LSI RAID 10 (WD Velociraptors) 1115.72 GB
    LSI RAID 10 (WD SSDS) 463.80 GB

    INTEL RAID 0 (KINGSTON HYPER X) System 447.14 GB
    INTEL RAID 1 TOSHIBA ENTERPRIZE class Data 2794.52 GB
    INTEL RAID 1 SEAGATE HYBRID 931.51 GB
    PSU
    SEVERAL. I prefer my Corsair Platinum HX1000i but I also like EVGA power supplies
    Case
    ThermalTake Level 10 GT (among others)
    Cooling
    Noctua is my favorite and I use it in my main. I also own various other coolers.
    Keyboard
    all kinds.
    Mouse
    all kinds
    Internet Speed
    360 mbps - 1 gbps (depending)
    Browser
    FIREFOX
    Antivirus
    KASPERSKY (no apologies)
    Other Info
    Gave Dell touch screen with Windows 11 to daughter and got me an OTVOC. Being a PC builder I own many desktop PCs as well. I am a father of five providing PCs, laptops, and tablets for all my family, most of which I have modified, rebuilt, or simply built from scratch. I do not own a cell phone, never have, never will.
Well, if your experience has been anything like mine you'll likely want to remove as much of that AI slop from your OS as possible. There are tutorials here that can help you get rid of Co Pilot. I'd recommend getting a replacement graphics card for that unit. I purchased an old, used MSI 1050Ti card for someone using a very old i7 rig and they were so impressed with the difference they're still using it today. If you're experiencing lag and general sluggishness that's likely where your problem is. A 2GB GFX card just doesn't cut it anymore these days if you're doing anything even moderately graphics intensive.
@Scannerman @Smalltown
If you're not using it already, O&O ShutUp10++ is great for turning off the AI and anti-privacy snoop background things that are not needed and hurt performance. I recommend it, and think you'd like it for that.
One note, you may need to re-run it after a Windows Update to revert to your previous O&O ShutUp10++ settings as Windows Updates can sometimes turn AI or other settings back on. The O&O ShutUp10++ app makes reverting to previous settings a one-click. (y) :-)

O&O ShutUp10++
The antispy tool for Windows 10 and 11!

Freeware
www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 25H2 (OS Build 26200.8246)
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Precision Mobile Workstation
    CPU
    Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E3-1535M v5 @ 2.90 Max Turbo 3.80
    Motherboard
    00V5FJ
    Memory
    64GB DDR4 ECC (Error-Correcting Code memory)
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA Quadro M2000M 4GB GDDR5 & Intel(R) HD Graphics P530
    Sound Card
    Realtek Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    15.6" 4K UltraHD
    Screen Resolution
    4K UHD 3840x2160
    Hard Drives
    2TB Crucial NVMe & 2TB Seagate SATA
    PSU
    Dell 180W 19.5V-9.23A
    Keyboard
    Backlit
    Mouse
    Logitech G703 & Logitech G305
    Internet Speed
    WIFI: Intel(R) Wi-Fi 6E AX210NGW(Gig+) 160MHz Bands 2.4GHz(574Mbps), 5GHz 2.4Gbps, 6 GHz (160MHz) 2.4Gbps
    Browser
    Mozilla Firefox
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender/Microsoft Security + additional Anti Spyware, Anti Malware, etc.
    Other Info
    Thunderbolt 3
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro 24H2 (OS Build 26100.6725)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Precision Workstation T5610
    CPU
    Dual (X2) Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2690 0 @ 2.90GHz Max Turbo 3.80
    Motherboard
    0WN7Y6
    Memory
    64GB DDR3 ECC (Error-Correcting Code memory)
    Graphics card(s)
    NVIDIA GeForce GTX 970 4GB of GDDR5
    Sound Card
    Realtek Audio & NVIDIA High Definition Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    3 Acer Monitors
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    2 Seagate Barracuda ST2000DM008-2UB102 (RAID)
    Mouse
    Logitech G305
Or, as an alternative, you can try using Windows X-Lite Optimum 11 which is amazingly smooth and snappy. I have it on a number of older PCs now and it's working fine so far.

 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    WIN 11, WIN 10, WIN 8.1, WIN 7 U, WIN 7 PRO, WIN 7 HOME (32 Bit), LINUX MINT
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    DIY, ASUS, and DELL
    CPU
    Intel i7 6900K and i9-7960X / AMD 3800X (8 core)
    Motherboard
    ASUS X99E-WS USB 3.1 and ASUS X299 SAGE
    Memory
    128 GB CORSAIR DOMINATOR PLATINUM (B DIE)
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA 1070 and RTX 3070
    Sound Card
    Crystal Sound (onboard)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    single Samsung 30" 4K and 8" aux monitor
    Screen Resolution
    4K and something equally attrocious. I'll be working on this.
    Hard Drives
    A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J, K, L, M, N, O, P, Q, R, S, T, U, V, W

    Ports X, Y, and Z are reserved for USB access and removable drives.

    Drive types consist of the following: Various mechanical hard drives bearing the brand names, Seagate, Toshiba, and Western Digital. Various NVMe drives bearing the brand names Kingston, Intel, Silicon Power, Crucial, Western Digital, and Team Group. Various SATA SSDs bearing various different brand names.

    RAID arrays included:

    LSI RAID 10 (WD Velociraptors) 1115.72 GB
    LSI RAID 10 (WD SSDS) 463.80 GB

    INTEL RAID 0 (KINGSTON HYPER X) System 447.14 GB
    INTEL RAID 1 TOSHIBA ENTERPRIZE class Data 2794.52 GB
    INTEL RAID 1 SEAGATE HYBRID 931.51 GB
    PSU
    SEVERAL. I prefer my Corsair Platinum HX1000i but I also like EVGA power supplies
    Case
    ThermalTake Level 10 GT (among others)
    Cooling
    Noctua is my favorite and I use it in my main. I also own various other coolers.
    Keyboard
    all kinds.
    Mouse
    all kinds
    Internet Speed
    360 mbps - 1 gbps (depending)
    Browser
    FIREFOX
    Antivirus
    KASPERSKY (no apologies)
    Other Info
    Gave Dell touch screen with Windows 11 to daughter and got me an OTVOC. Being a PC builder I own many desktop PCs as well. I am a father of five providing PCs, laptops, and tablets for all my family, most of which I have modified, rebuilt, or simply built from scratch. I do not own a cell phone, never have, never will.

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