Thinking of upgrading from W10 to W11


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Engima_2

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BACKGROUND: I'm still running some old programs. Some will probably fail under Windows 11, but my primarily concern is LOTUS 123, Vs. 9.8. I have developed hundreds of engineering spreadsheets since the 1990's and still use 123 daily. (I also use Excel on a dally basis). Under W10, I've activated all features including the HELP files and HELP topics. (Runs exactly like it did under Windows Xp).

I'm considering upgrading to Windows 11. My concerns revolve around losing functionally of the HELP files.

Q. Has anyone successfully upgraded from Windows 10 to Windows 11, which had LOTUS 123 on their system and retained all functions or will I have to specifically reactivate the HELP function after the upgrade?
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 10
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer, Aspire E5-576G
    CPU
    Intel Core i5-8250U @1.60GHz, 1.80GHz
    Motherboard
    16Gb
    Memory
    16Gb
Create an image backup of w10 installation using tool like Macrium Reflect or Aomei Backupper, then upgrade and test it.

If any issues restore backup and revert to W10.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro + Win11 Canary VM.
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    ASUS Zenbook 14
    CPU
    I9 13th gen i9-13900H 2.60 GHZ
    Motherboard
    Yep, Laptop has one.
    Memory
    16 GB soldered
    Graphics Card(s)
    Integrated Intel Iris XE
    Sound Card
    Realtek built in
    Monitor(s) Displays
    laptop OLED screen
    Screen Resolution
    2880x1800 touchscreen
    Hard Drives
    1 TB NVME SSD (only weakness is only one slot)
    PSU
    Internal + 65W thunderbolt USB4 charger
    Case
    Yep, got one
    Cooling
    Stella Artois (UK pint cans - 568 ml) - extra cost.
    Keyboard
    Built in UK keybd
    Mouse
    Bluetooth , wireless dongled, wired
    Internet Speed
    900 mbs (ethernet), wifi 6 typical 350-450 mb/s both up and down
    Browser
    Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    TPM 2.0, 2xUSB4 thunderbolt, 1xUsb3 (usb a), 1xUsb-c, hdmi out, 3.5 mm audio out/in combo, ASUS backlit trackpad (inc. switchable number pad)

    Macrium Reflect Home V8
    Office 365 Family (6 users each 1TB onedrive space)
    Hyper-V (a vm runs almost as fast as my older laptop)
Engima_2 said:
I'm considering upgrading to Windows 11. My concerns revolve around losing functionally of the HELP files.

Q. Has anyone successfully upgraded from Windows 10 to Windows 11, which had LOTUS 123 on their system and retained all functions or will I have to specifically reactivate the HELP function after the upgrade?
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Replaced winhelp32.exe in C:\Windows with an older one (from XP, perhaps) did you? Yes, you will almost certainly have to repeat that after upgrading to Windows 11, so make sure you keep a copy of your working winhelp32.exe before you upgrade. The upgrade will replace yours with the stub version that opens your browser at the page telling why .HLP files cannot be opened.

Error opening Help in Windows-based programs: "Feature not included" or "Help not supported" - Microsoft Support

Resolves issues in which you cannot open Help files (.hlp) that were created in Windows Help format in Windows 7 or Windows Vista.
support.microsoft.com support.microsoft.com

But once replaced with your old one you'll be able to read your *.HLP files as before. I found a Lotus 9.8 CD and tested that for you....

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My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Aspire 3 A315-23
    CPU
    AMD Athlon Silver 3050U
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Radeon Graphics
    Monitor(s) Displays
    laptop screen
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768 native resolution, up to 2560x1440 with Radeon Virtual Super Resolution
    Hard Drives
    1TB Samsung EVO 870 SSD
    Internet Speed
    50 Mbps
    Browser
    Edge, Firefox
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    fully 'Windows 11 ready' laptop. Windows 10 C: partition migrated from my old unsupported 'main machine' then upgraded to 11. A test migration ran Insider builds for 2 months. When 11 was released on 5th October 2021 it was re-imaged back to 10 and was offered the upgrade in Windows Update on 20th October. Windows Update offered the 22H2 Feature Update on 20th September 2022. It got the 23H2 Feature Update on 4th November 2023 through Windows Update, and 24H2 on 3rd October 2024 through Windows Update by setting the Target Release Version for 24H2.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro.

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 8GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Dev, Beta, and RP 24H2 as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 8GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds (and a few others) as a native boot .vhdx.

    My SYSTEM SIX is a Dell Latitude 5550, Core Ultra 7 165H, 64GB RAM, 1TB NVMe SSD, supported device, Windows 11 Pro 24H2, Hyper-V host machine.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Latitude E4310
    CPU
    Intel® Core™ i5-520M
    Motherboard
    0T6M8G
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics card(s)
    (integrated graphics) Intel HD Graphics
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768
    Hard Drives
    500GB Crucial MX500 SSD
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    unsupported machine: Legacy bios, MBR, TPM 1.2, upgraded from W10 to W11 using W10/W11 hybrid install media workaround. In-place upgrade to 22H2 using ISO and a workaround. Feature Update to 23H2 by manually installing the Enablement Package. In-place upgrade to 24H2 using hybrid 23H2/24H2 install media. Also running Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds as a native boot .vhdx.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro.

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 8GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Dev, Beta, and RP 24H2 as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 8GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds (and a few others) as a native boot .vhdx.

    My SYSTEM SIX is a Dell Latitude 5550, Core Ultra 7 165H, 64GB RAM, 1TB NVMe SSD, supported device, Windows 11 Pro 24H2, Hyper-V host machine.
Can't comment on Lotus 123, but I'm running Office 2000 Premium without any issues. I installed it from the original CD on this new W11 system after I did a system image with MR. I haven't done the SP1 & SP3 updates yet, but Excel runs just fine. I think making a system image prior to installing Lotus is a great idea.
 
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My Computer

System One

  • OS
    W11 Home v. 23H2 bld. 22631.44602
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP ENVY/TE01-3254
    CPU
    Intel i7 12700, @ 2.1-4.9 ghz, 12 core
    Motherboard
    The Mother Of All Boards
    Memory
    16GB, DDR4, 3200 mhz
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel UHD Graphics 770
    Sound Card
    internal, 5.1 Surround Sound
    Monitor(s) Displays
    AOC 22", mdl: 2269W
    Screen Resolution
    1280x1080
    Hard Drives
    1 internal- 1 TB SSD, 1 internal-1 TB SATA HDD, 1 USB external- 256GB SATA HDD, 2 USB external- 1 TB SATA HDD
    PSU
    310 watts
    Case
    HP ENVY
    Cooling
    Air, three internal fans
    Keyboard
    HP wireless
    Mouse
    HP wireless
    Internet Speed
    200+ Mb/sec Local Cable Gateway, Netgear R6400 bridged router, PC ethernet connection to Modem/Route
    Browser
    FireFox v.113.0.2, Chrome v.112.0.5615.121
    Antivirus
    Norton360 w/LifeLock
    Other Info
    4 USB 2.0 Type A Ports, 2 USB 3.0 Type A Ports, 2 USB 3.1 Type A Ports, 1 USB 3.0 Type C Port, 2 M.2 Slots
    Macrium Reflect v.8.0.7279
I keep one Excel spreadsheet, for all my car expenses. It was originally set up on MS Excel many years ago, but for the past ten, I've been using either Open Office or Libre Office, and both handle those older spreadsheets just fine.
Why not try one of those, just to see if they would work for you? Both are FREE, so it won't cost you anything to try them.
Then you won't have to worry about what OS you're running. Neither is OS dependent.

I've used both of the above mentioned Office Replacement programs on Windows 8.1, 10, & 11, with no problems whatsoever.

Cheer Mate!
TM :cool:
 
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System One

Windows 11 is a service pack to Windows 10 with some new security installation requirements.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 24H2
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP ZBook G2
    CPU
    Intel® Core i7 5500u
    Motherboard
    HP
    Memory
    8 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel HD Family Graphics AMD Firepro 4150M
    Sound Card
    Realtek High Audio
    Hard Drives
    1 TB SSD
    Mouse
    HP USB Mouse
    Antivirus
    Zone Alarm Free Antivirus/Zone Alarm Free Firewall NEXT GEN
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro 24H2
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP Zbook G4
    CPU
    Xeon 1535m v6
    Motherboard
    HP
    Memory
    32 GB
    Graphics card(s)
    AMD Quadro Pro 4100
    Sound Card
    Bang and Olufson Audio
    Hard Drives
    1TB SSD
    Mouse
    HP USB Mouse
    Antivirus
    Zone Alarm Free Antivirus/Zone Alarm Free Firewall NEXT GEN
I also run OpenOffice in lieu of more current MS office products. Color me cheap, but happy.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    W11 Home v. 23H2 bld. 22631.44602
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP ENVY/TE01-3254
    CPU
    Intel i7 12700, @ 2.1-4.9 ghz, 12 core
    Motherboard
    The Mother Of All Boards
    Memory
    16GB, DDR4, 3200 mhz
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel UHD Graphics 770
    Sound Card
    internal, 5.1 Surround Sound
    Monitor(s) Displays
    AOC 22", mdl: 2269W
    Screen Resolution
    1280x1080
    Hard Drives
    1 internal- 1 TB SSD, 1 internal-1 TB SATA HDD, 1 USB external- 256GB SATA HDD, 2 USB external- 1 TB SATA HDD
    PSU
    310 watts
    Case
    HP ENVY
    Cooling
    Air, three internal fans
    Keyboard
    HP wireless
    Mouse
    HP wireless
    Internet Speed
    200+ Mb/sec Local Cable Gateway, Netgear R6400 bridged router, PC ethernet connection to Modem/Route
    Browser
    FireFox v.113.0.2, Chrome v.112.0.5615.121
    Antivirus
    Norton360 w/LifeLock
    Other Info
    4 USB 2.0 Type A Ports, 2 USB 3.0 Type A Ports, 2 USB 3.1 Type A Ports, 1 USB 3.0 Type C Port, 2 M.2 Slots
    Macrium Reflect v.8.0.7279

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro x64 24H2 v26100.3037
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Built Myself in 2017
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 1800X 8-Core @ 3.60GHz
    Motherboard
    Asus Crosshair VI Hero
    Memory
    16GB G.Skill Trident Z RGB Series
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA GeForce gtx 1660 Super
    Sound Card
    On Board
    Monitor(s) Displays
    2 X AOC 27" , PLANAR 22"
    Screen Resolution
    1920 X 1080
    Hard Drives
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    ~ P34A60 512GB NVMe PCIe Gen3x4 M.2
    ~ 6TB Toshiba HDD
    ~ 6TB HDD (Backup)
    ~ SanDisk 250GB SSD
    ~ 2 X 1TB HDD
    ~~~~~~~~~~
    PSU
    Corsair RM850 Fully Modular (850watts)
    Case
    NZXT Phantom 630 CA-PH630-W1
    Cooling
    CORSAIR iCUE H100i RGB PRO XT
    Keyboard
    Nulea RT05 Wireless Ergonomic
    Mouse
    Nulea MD280 Wireless Vertical Mouse
    Internet Speed
    761Mbps (Download) / 692Mbps (Upload)
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Malwarebytes
    Other Info
    *This is my Main Computer That I use*
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro x64 24H2 v26100.2894
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP
    CPU
    Intel Xeon E3-1246 v3 @ 3.50GHz
    Memory
    16GB
    Graphics card(s)
    AMD Radeon R7 350X
    Sound Card
    onBoard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    eMachine 22"
    Screen Resolution
    1920 X 1080
    Hard Drives
    250GB SSD
    Cooling
    Fan
    Mouse
    Nulea MD280
    Internet Speed
    752Mbps (Download) / 537Mbps (Upload)
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Malwarebytes
    Other Info
    I use this computer for photo/video editing and to track severe weather
At times I install W11 on my system to see how the changes/improvements have gone....

...eventually I end up going back to W10.

At least for now, while there are some improvements, the overall system seems to run better for me on W10 than it does for W11 and I don't get as lost in the Settings app (among other things).

Personally, I would try out W11 via Hyper-V, OracleBox, or another VMM and see if you can use it. If not or you don't like the setup, it's as simple as deleting the VM and you're not forced to reinstall.

If you do like it, you can always then format your main system over.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 24H2 (26100.3775)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Pre-built
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D
    Motherboard
    MSI Pro B650-VC WiFi
    Memory
    32gb Team Group (T-Force) DDR5-6000
    Graphics Card(s)
    Zotac nVidia GeForce RTX 4070 SUPER - 12gb
    Sound Card
    Sound BlasterX G6
    Monitor(s) Displays
    BenQ XL2411P and ViewSonic VX2453
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    WD Blue SN5000 - 500gb NVME
    WD Blue SN580 - 2TB NVME
    Keyboard
    Mountain Everest
    Mouse
    Logitech G502 Hero
    Internet Speed
    T-Mobile Home Internet
    Browser
    Firefox
    Other Info
    QNAP TS-469 Pro NAS, TP-Link W7200 (2 unit mesh network)
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