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jimbo45 · Sep 18, 2021

galileo said:
I currently use Visual Studio and develop in C#. My focus is geared toward graphical interfaces that are "intuitive" such that a user is not overwhelmed by a blizzard of toolbars, toolboxes, and icons. After dealing with very poorly designed GUI's in engineering software for many years, I'm trying to develop GUI presentations that are focused, streamlined, and...well, reasonably self guiding.

Hi there
that's why I like python -- if one can concentrate on the application rather than the "tecchy" bits then its a win win situation both for the tecchies and the application developers.

For example If i need to create a window with objects in it and get the user to enter a value for example "enter price you want for this car" against a car object -- it's much better obviously for the application programmer to simply say "Create Window - size x,y), create object car, assign property input, accept user input from object car -- and then carry on with search from db or whatever. I'm happy to leave the "techcy" stuff to the "back room boys" so I just can concentrate on the application without having to get into the intracies of the OS on how to actually create the Windows etc.

@BunnyJ

I think CICS had one fatal flaw in it -- at least in earlier releases --if you needed to add new transactions or users I think you had to "bounce" the entire system -- can't be done these days of course - at least not "officially".

IMS sort of solved that problem but that was a hierarchial database which really wasn't very good if you needed any sort of sequential access or even needed to read "reading backwards".

DB2 as a relational system was a lot better but still not a patch on modern DBMS methods - and also the underlying Disk I/O access methods to make the DB queries IBM used were an abomination (VSAM -- Very Stupid Access Method -- or ISAM -- Incredibly Slow Access Method).

Off to pub now for some decent Beer and to watch some English "Foottie" -- Soccer to those in U.S

Cheers
jimbo

galileo · Sep 18, 2021

jimbo45 said:
Off to pub now for some decent Beer and to watch some English "Foottie" -- Soccer to those in U.S

...actually we play "Wokeball" now

...or "Kneeball" if you prefer...

BunnyJ · Sep 18, 2021

jimbo45 said:
Hi there
that's why I like python -- if one can concentrate on the application rather than the "tecchy" bits then its a win win situation both for the tecchies and the application developers.

For example If i need to create a window with objects in it and get the user to enter a value for example "enter price you want for this car" against a car object -- it's much better obviously for the application programmer to simply say "Create Window - size x,y), create object car, assign property input, accept user input from object car -- and then carry on with search from db or whatever. I'm happy to leave the "techcy" stuff to the "back room boys" so I just can concentrate on the application without having to get into the intracies of the OS on how to actually create the Windows etc.

@BunnyJ

I think CICS had one fatal flaw in it -- at least in earlier releases --if you needed to add new transactions or users I think you had to "bounce" the entire system -- can't be done these days of course - at least not "officially".

IMS sort of solved that problem but that was a hierarchial database which really wasn't very good if you needed any sort of sequential access or even needed to read "reading backwards".

DB2 as a relational system was a lot better but still not a patch on modern DBMS methods - and also the underlying Disk I/O access methods to make the DB queries IBM used were an abomination (VSAM -- Very Stupid Access Method -- or ISAM -- Incredibly Slow Access Method).

Off to pub now for some decent Beer and to watch some English "Foottie" -- Soccer to those in U.S

Cheers
jimbo

I love Python.., it's my favorite language.

Winuser · Sep 18, 2021

swarfega said:
It still came up with the TPM error, so I've bought VMware Workstation Pro so I can add the darn encryption.

I just ran into the same problem trying to update my VM. My desktop is 100% compatible and is running the Beta build on a bare machine without any trouble. It's only when tryin to update the Dev build in VMware that I get the TPM 2.0 error. My desktop is running Windows 11 Pro so I might try using Hyper-V. If I remember right there are some settings for Hyper-V I have to turn on. I'm not sure if I have to uninstall VMware or just make sure it not running and doesn't run when I start my computer.

Winuser · Sep 18, 2021

Jack07 said:
Just delete the appraiserres.dll from C:\$WINDOWS.~BT\Sources\

Let me now if the Mail is fixed in this build(Yahoo mail sync). If not I'll pass, not gonna bother with a new build for a few fixes.

I tried using search in File Explorer and couldn't find that file. I was going to give but decided to try one more time. This time I did a manual search and I found the .dll and deleted it. My desktop is now running this build in VMware 16 Player.

Winuser · Sep 18, 2021

I just look for C:\$WINDOWS.~BT to see if the .dll was there and would need to be deleted again. C:\$WINDOWS.~BT and $Windows.~WS are no longer showing.

Kari · Sep 18, 2021

I was able to do (or rather try to do) the upgrade first today due some health issues, which have made using the PC quite difficult the past days. Tried three times, all tries failed, reverting to 22454.

First try, the usual through WU. Failed, reverted to 22454. Next try, deleting all WU downloads, running upgrade from ISO. Failed. Third time, again from ISO, but disabling Defender and Firewall plus disconnected every other device than system disk, mouse, keyboard and display. Failed.

All three failed at the same point, at 29% after the first reboot, for same reason:

Tried repair install with 22454 ISO, no issues.

Weird!

Kari

MrGandalf · Sep 18, 2021

swarfega said:
Is the only way around this is to use Workstation Pro so you can enable encryption?

Had the issue too. You have to encrypt the vm first, then the TPM module will be available ( This is of course your host machine has TPM 2.0 in the first place).
Hope this helps

Kari · Sep 18, 2021

Kari said:
I was able to do (or rather try to do) the upgrade first today due some health issues, which have made using the PC quite difficult the past days. Tried three times, all tries failed, reverting to 22454.

Tried now the WU and ISO methods in a Macrium viBoot VM (image from last night), both attempts failed at the same point, with the same error.

Kari

SlicEnDicE · Sep 18, 2021

jimbo45 said:
Some Banks I believe are still using old Mainframe COBOL !!!!

Yes, I know this to be a fact.

SlicEnDicE · Sep 18, 2021

Kari said:
Tried now the WU and ISO methods in a Macrium viBoot VM (image from last night), both attempts failed at the same point, with the same error.

Very weird in my opinion.

Kari · Sep 18, 2021

SlicEnDicE said:
Very weird in my opinion.

I've never heard about "Invalid data access trap".

Winuser · Sep 18, 2021

Kari said:
I was able to do (or rather try to do) the upgrade first today due some health issues, which have made using the PC quite difficult the past days. Tried three times, all tries failed, reverting to 22454.

First try, the usual through WU. Failed, reverted to 22454. Next try, deleting all WU downloads, running upgrade from ISO. Failed. Third time, again from ISO, but disabling Defender and Firewall plus disconnected every other device than system disk, mouse, keyboard and display. Failed.

All three failed at the same point, at 29% after the first reboot, for same reason:

View attachment 8167

Tried repair install with 22454 ISO, no issues.

Weird!

Kari

Sometimes I think that Windows has a mind of its own. Hope you're feeling better!

magilla · Sep 18, 2021

Winuser said:
Sometimes I think that Windows has a mind of its own. Hope you're feeling better!

We know for sure windows/Microsoft has a mind of its own!

johnlgalt · Sep 18, 2021

waltc said:
Don't know if you noticed it, but Microsoft just put up the ISO for 22454, and the download is good through 9/18.

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I'm on 22458 now, already grabbed the 22454 .ISOs when they were first made available. Thanks for looking out though!

Superfly said:
Has MS mitigated their decision regarding TPM and CPU's yet.. other than "it's got better security features but no-one is interested in it" ?

Technically, yes.

They have stated that users with older hardware will not be offered that upgrade for automatic install via Windows Update, but they will not be necessarily blocked from installing even if they are not offered it.

But then a few days later they go back and start making TPM 2.0 on VMs mandatory as well, so.....

Kari said:
I was able to do (or rather try to do) the upgrade first today due some health issues, which have made using the PC quite difficult the past days. Tried three times, all tries failed, reverting to 22454.

First try, the usual through WU. Failed, reverted to 22454. Next try, deleting all WU downloads, running upgrade from ISO. Failed. Third time, again from ISO, but disabling Defender and Firewall plus disconnected every other device than system disk, mouse, keyboard and display. Failed.

All three failed at the same point, at 29% after the first reboot, for same reason:

<snipped>

Tried repair install with 22454 ISO, no issues.

Weird!

Kari

I had so many issues with 22454 that I finally had to force it to install cleanly on my system by actually disconnecting hardware. Now to see others who had 0 issues with 454 have weird issue son 458 while mine was installed automagically overnight with me not even noticing for the better part of a day is just another example of why I fully believe that, while I truly do like hte OS in and of itself, and am more than willing to run it, bug s and all, as a daily driver, I do not believe that this OS is ready for prim time, and that M4 is setting themselves up for some serious blowback and major fallout with customers if they stick to an October 5th release to the general public.

SlicEnDicE said:
Yes, I know this to be a fact.

As do I - my current and my previous Credit Unions both use it for apps, the former using the vast majority of their banking systems on an AS/400 (not sure if the current ones do, I haven't actually worked for them, just chatted up a person who does work there).

jimbo45 said:
Whatever gets the job done - but I doubt whether COBOL had enough facilities to handle real time updates and distrubuted databases etc and certainly no idea of OO.

Uh, pretty sure that COBOL has been extended numerous times, including adding OO early in the millennium, though, it can hardly be called a modern programming language by any standard, for sure.

CB · Sep 18, 2021

When it comes to 2025 I'd still hope MS still allow few more years flexibility in the use of previous Windows OS, even if without anymore support.
Just come to my thought imagining what would happen to the hospital I used to work with. It has more than 400 workstations with 7th gen Intel and older. The closest OS has been put into options is Linuxmint. Surely they need to plan a training for all end user that barely know anything about system technicality.

CB

johnlgalt · Sep 18, 2021

Uh, doesn't something as large as a hospital have actual IT staff for the technicalities? The end users shouldn't have to worry about technicalities, only about using the machines to do their jobs, right?

CB · Sep 18, 2021

Sure they have an IT department, and I used to help them handling some issue with hardwares and OS. But it has only 9 IT staffs that already busy maintaining server that connected to various national health care systems, billings, internal system, and many other stuffs that pretty complex as the hospital is now in paperless system. Even the simplest charting, the end user running around the ward with trolley that has laptop on it.

CB

CB · Sep 18, 2021

The hospital is not like typical hosp in town. The site in a suburban area. It's around 7 building with 2 storey each spreading across 13 hectares area that has fiber optics connection.
I need to jog running end to end.

SlicEnDicE · Sep 19, 2021

Kari said:
I've never heard about "Invalid data access trap".

Me neither. Sounds like a very sketchy bug check. ...like Windows tried to trick you into giving all your private info but failed to do so.

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