Windows Update Poll

glasskuter · Nov 10, 2024

jimhow4545 said:
What is the advantage of clean install over WINDOWS UPDATES?

Most people disagree with me and go the windows update or in-place upgrade route using the iso. As I said earlier in the thread, I don't do a clean install every time but usually when there are major changes in a new version like 24h2. 24h2 forced me to this time and now that it's over, I'm glad it did. Not so much at the time, though.

I cuss all the work involved but I do love me a CLEAN system. No junk, clean registry, no old outdated drivers cluttering driverstore. A clean install gets rid of old software I never use, but never got rid of. This time, I went whole hog and deleted tons of old useless personal files and reorganized my folders in a more sensible manner. And the pièce de résistance of my clean install... it fixed a sleep problem I've had for over a year that a repair install and hours of troubleshooting would not fix. And maybe it's my imagination, maybe it just having 24h2, but I swear it seems faster.
Did I mention, It's clean.

DennyZenny · Nov 10, 2024

TraderGary said:
Why? I like the fresh clean feeling of a new unadulterated registry and the clean feeling of knowing there's no malware on my system.

I love that feeling...

Jacee · Nov 10, 2024

I've never had a problem upgrading over an existing version that I'm using. It might be because I'm not constantly trying to tweak what I really don't need.

BrianInEngland · Nov 11, 2024

In-place upgrade using the ISO.
Clean installs are too much work

Ghot · Nov 11, 2024

I didn't mention it before, but I'll let WU do the updates, but for Feature Updates... it's the In-Place Upgrade.

The DISM clean component store command, when used with the ResetBase flag, cleans out all the old drivers.
I use backups and restores for anything I even suspect, and sometimes... just because.
The Win 11 install I'm running now, is from a Win 10 May 2020 install.

Also... with the In-Place, I don't have to "wait" on the phased rollout.

jimhow4545 · Nov 11, 2024

Ok. I have one spare SSD 1TB and would like to play around with the CLEAN install of 24H3.
What is the process and steps . Note I have unsupported PC. And how you transfer the product license?

jimhow4545 · Nov 11, 2024

Ghot said:
I didn't mention it before, but I'll let WU do the updates, but for Feature Updates... it's the In-Place Upgrade.

The DISM clean component store command, when used with the ResetBase flag, cleans out all the old drivers.
I use backups and restores for anything I even suspect, and sometimes... just because.
The Win 11 install I'm running now, is from a Win 10 May 2020 install.

Also... with the In-Place, I don't have to "wait" on the phased rollout.

“The Win 11 install I'm running now, is from a Win 10 May 2020 install. ”

I am running windows 11 upgraded from Windows 10 installed in 2017.

Mitch · Nov 11, 2024

I'm going to wait a few months before updating to 24H2. Is there any difference between using WU or Upgrade Assistant on the MS 11 Download webpage to do this? When updating from W10 to 11 WU failed but Upgrade Assistant worked. Also, if like most you're still on 23H2 and want to do an in place repair install can you still download 23H2 or will you be forced on to 24H2. I'm not clear about this. Thanks.

Bree · Nov 11, 2024

Ghot said:
The Win 11 install I'm running now, is from a Win 10 May 2020 install.

jimhow4545 said:
I am running windows 11 upgraded from Windows 10 installed in 2017.

I am running Windows 11, upgraded from 10 in October 2021, which in turn was upgraded from Windows 7 in July 2015. The original Windows 7 was 'factory reset' in June 2014.

That's more than 10 years, with 17 upgrades and one migration to new hardware.

Powershell:

$OS=@(Get-ChildItem -Path HKLM:\System\Setup\Source* | ForEach-Object {Get-ItemProperty -Path Registry::$_}; Get-ItemProperty 'HKLM:\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion')

$OS | Select-Object ProductName, ReleaseID, CurrentBuild, @{Name='InstallDate'; Expression={[timezone]::CurrentTimeZone.ToLocalTime(([datetime]'1/1/1970').AddSeconds($_.InstallDate))}} | Sort-Object "InstallDate"

Kalemucu · Nov 11, 2024

On my freedos laptop, I only performed a clean install the day I bought it.

2019 LTSC > 2021 LTSC > 2024 LTSC (updated using isos since feature updates are not available in WU when using LTSC)

I hate clean installs because setting up all my software again feels like a chore.

Bree · Nov 11, 2024

Kalemucu said:
I hate clean installs because setting up all my software again feels like a chore.

Welcome to Eleven Forum.

I do too, in particular for my W7 > W10 > W11 machine. It has some software that is impossible to re-install, and that I wish to keep. Office 2010 Starter for one, that was the free Excel/Word that came with my OEM install of Windows 7. There never were any installers for that, it was only ever available in an OEM pre-installed W7 that included an Office 2010 trial.

jimhow4545 · Nov 11, 2024

Bree said:
I am running Windows 11, upgraded from 10 in October 2021, which in turn was upgraded from Windows 7 in July 2015. The original Windows 7 was 'factory reset' in June 2014.

That's more than 10 years, with 17 upgrades and one migration to new hardware.

Powershell:

$OS=@(Get-ChildItem -Path HKLM:\System\Setup\Source* | ForEach-Object {Get-ItemProperty -Path Registry::$_}; Get-ItemProperty 'HKLM:\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion') $OS | Select-Object ProductName, ReleaseID, CurrentBuild, @{Name='InstallDate'; Expression={[timezone]::CurrentTimeZone.ToLocalTime(([datetime]'1/1/1970').AddSeconds($_.InstallDate))}} | Sort-Object "InstallDate"

View attachment 115918

Copy and paste these commands?

Catnip · Nov 11, 2024

I plan to let WU do the upgrade for me. I would like to do a clean install but I have some software that simply will not install to Win 11 no matter what I do. It's a holdover from Win 7 that I miraculously got to work on Win 10.

I tried a clean install of Win 11 when I upgraded from Win 10, but had to revert and do the WU upgrade when the software in question wouldn't re-install. I suspect that I will have a number of problems with 24H2 because some of my software is a little old, especially the electronic schematic design software I use for work. That's the program that won't re-install, unfortunately.

pparks1 · Nov 11, 2024

Depends upon the update. If I go from one major release to another, like Windows 10 to Windows 11, I will clean install.

If I am going from WIndows 11 21H2 to 22H2 or 23H2 or 24H2...then I just do those via Windows update. Those to me are more like service pack installs.

FDretired · Nov 11, 2024

jimhow4545 said:
What is the advantage of clean install over WINDOWS UPDATES?

I make frequent Macrium images.

The image after a clean installation including programs is always a few
Gigabytes smaller than doing a Windows updates followed by disk clean.

Bree · Nov 11, 2024

jimhow4545 said:
Copy and paste these commands?

Yes. Copy the entire contents of the Code box above, then paste into a Powershell window.

Edwin · Nov 11, 2024

Bree said:
... software..., that I wish to keep. Office 2010 Starter for one...

hdmi · Nov 11, 2024

jimhow4545 · Nov 11, 2024

Bree said:
Yes. Copy the entire contents of the Code box above, then paste into a Powershell window.

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this make no sense. Does this mean the windows 10 was initially installed and then updated to windows 11?

Bree · Nov 11, 2024

jimhow4545 said:
this make no sense. Does this mean the windows 10 was initially installed and then updated to windows 11?

Ignore the Product name, there are many places in the registry (where this is being read from) that Windows 11 is still described as being Windows 10. In fact, for all intents and purposes (such as software compatibility) it is, the Kernel for 11 is functionally almost identical to that of 10.

Look at the build numbers instead, they identify what was installed.

Windows Update Poll

What is your preferred method when upgrading your computers to a new version of Windows?

Upgrade overtop of the existing version of Windows when available via Windows Update

Upgrade overtop of the existing version of Windows but by not using Windows Update (how?)

Do a clean install (please state how)

Other (please state what and how)

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