Would you buy from the first batch of Windows 11 computers?


Would you buy from the first batch of Windows 11 computers?

  • Yes, I would buy from the first batch of Windows 11 computers

    Votes: 17 38.6%
  • No, I would not buy from the first batch of Windows 11 computers

    Votes: 27 61.4%

  • Total voters
    44
I would not buy anything at the moment since my 2 years old laptop shows this:
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My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 build 10.0.22631.3296 (Release Channel) / Linux Mint 21.3 Cinnamon
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Lenovo A485
    CPU
    Ryzen 7 2700U Pro
    Motherboard
    Lenovo (WiFi/BT module upgraded to Intel Wireless-AC-9260)
    Memory
    32GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    iGPU Vega 10
    Sound Card
    Realtek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    14" FHD (built-in) + 14" Lenovo Thinkvision M14t (touch+pen) + 32" Asus PB328
    Screen Resolution
    FHD + FHD + 1440p
    Hard Drives
    Intel 660p m.2 nVME PCIe3.0 x2 512GB
    PSU
    65W
    Keyboard
    Thinkpad / Logitech MX Keys
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master 2S
    Internet Speed
    600/300Mbit
    Browser
    Edge (Chromium)
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
    Other Info
    SecureBoot: Enabled
    TPM2.0: Enabled
    AMD-V: Enabled
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 build 10.0.22631.3296(Release Preview Channel)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom
    CPU
    i7-7700k @4.8GHz
    Motherboard
    Asus PRIME Z270-A
    Memory
    32GB 2x16GB 2133MHz CL15
    Graphics card(s)
    EVGA GTX1080Ti FTW 11GB
    Sound Card
    Integrated
    Monitor(s) Displays
    32" 10-bit Asus PB328Q
    Screen Resolution
    WQHD 2560x1440
    Hard Drives
    512GB ADATA SX8000NP NVMe PCIe Gen 3 x4
    PSU
    850W
    Case
    Fractal Design Define 7
    Cooling
    Noctua NH-D15 chromax.black
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master 2S
    Keyboard
    Logitech MX Keys
    Internet Speed
    600/300Mbit
    Browser
    Edge (Cromium)
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
    Other Info
    AC WiFi Card
The first batch of Windows 11 computers will presumably be on sale this yearend holiday season. Would you buy one?

If I were in the market for laptop (custom build my own desktops) and had the choice between 10 and 11, I'd take Windows 11. So yeah, I'd buy a newly released Windows 11 PC (laptop). Did it with Windows 8, did it with Windows 10 :wink:

If I were building around Windows 11 release, I'd get Windows 11. BTW, my current desktop (system one) is fully compatible right now.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 (Build 22631.3296)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom built
    CPU
    Intel i9-9900K
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte Aorus Z390 Xtreme
    Memory
    32G (4x8) DDR4 Corsair RGB Dominator Platinum (3600Mhz)
    Graphics Card(s)
    Radeon VII
    Sound Card
    Onboard (ESS Sabre HiFi using Realtek drivers)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    NEC PA242w (24 inch)
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1200
    Hard Drives
    5 Samsung SSD drives: 2X 970 NVME (512 & 1TB), 3X EVO SATA (2X 2TB, 1X 1TB)
    PSU
    EVGA Super Nova I000 G2 (1000 watt)
    Case
    Cooler Master H500M
    Cooling
    Corsair H115i RGB Platinum
    Keyboard
    Logitech Craft
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master 3
    Internet Speed
    500mb Download. 11mb Upload
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge Chromium
    Antivirus
    Windows Security
    Other Info
    System used for gaming, photography, music, school.
  • Operating System
    Win 10 Pro 22H2 (build 19045.2130)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom Built
    CPU
    Intel i7-7700K
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte GA-Z270X-GAMING 8
    Memory
    32G (4x8) DDR4 Corsair Dominator Platinum (3333Mhz)
    Graphics card(s)
    AMD Radeon R9 Fury
    Sound Card
    Onboard (Creative Sound Blaster certified ZxRi)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Dell U2415 (24 inch)
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1200
    Hard Drives
    3 Samsung SSD drives: 1x 512gig 950 NVMe drive (OS drive), 1 x 512gig 850 Pro, 1x 256gig 840 Pro.
    PSU
    EVGA Super Nova 1000 P2 (1000 watt)
    Case
    Phantek Enthoo Luxe
    Cooling
    Corsair H100i
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master
    Keyboard
    Logitech MK 710
    Internet Speed
    100MB
    Browser
    Edge Chromium
    Antivirus
    Windows Security
    Other Info
    This is my backup system.
I use to go to the local computer shows. I would spec out what I wanted and they would build it while I waited. Now the closest is in lower Maryland. What i do now is buy the custom built desktops from Micro Center.
Looks like we've both ended up in the same place.

I used to to the shows, too. Would be there when they opened the door, rush to the booth to buy the stuff, take it home and hook it up. By noon, I knew if it was going to work or not, and if not, I boxed it up, went back to the show and got a refund. Only bought from folks that were well know.

But I have not seen those in years, and while I have thought seriously about buying the PowerSpec line from MicroCenter, I have read they have custom BIOS that don't allow advanced setting changes -- and I am use to retail mobos that allow those, as I make those changes literally every day. IF you know something else, then please let me know.

And WHEN I do this depends on IF the requirements-hacks continue to work with the Released versions of Win11. If they do not, I'll probably look to build a new Ryzen system late this year; if they do, then I can put off the upgrade till next Fall.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom built
    CPU
    Ryzen 5600X
    Motherboard
    ASRock Steel Legend
    Memory
    16GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA GT 710
    Sound Card
    None
    Monitor(s) Displays
    23",24", 19" - flat panels
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1200
    Hard Drives
    None - only M.2 SATA and NVMe drives
    PSU
    750W
    Case
    Antec
    Cooling
    stock Wraith cooler
    Keyboard
    Corsair gaming
    Mouse
    Logitech M720
    Internet Speed
    1Gb
Looks like we've both ended up in the same place.

I used to to the shows, too. Would be there when they opened the door, rush to the booth to buy the stuff, take it home and hook it up. By noon, I knew if it was going to work or not, and if not, I boxed it up, went back to the show and got a refund. Only bought from folks that were well know.

But I have not seen those in years, and while I have thought seriously about buying the PowerSpec line from MicroCenter, I have read they have custom BIOS that don't allow advanced setting changes -- and I am use to retail mobos that allow those, as I make those changes literally every day. IF you know something else, then please let me know.

And WHEN I do this depends on IF the requirements-hacks continue to work with the Released versions of Win11. If they do not, I'll probably look to build a new Ryzen system late this year; if they do, then I can put off the upgrade till next Fall.
That's not true about the BIOS. The only thing I see different is the PowerSpec name on screen before the login screen. On my old desktop I found a newer BIOS update on the ASUS site then the one on the PowerSpec site. I had no problem doing the update. Now instead of showing the PowerSpec name it now shows the ASUS name.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Canary Channel
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    PowerSpec B746
    CPU
    Intel Core i7-10700K
    Motherboard
    ASRock Z490 Phantom Gaming 4/ax
    Memory
    16GB (8GB PC4-19200 DDR4 SDRAM x2)
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 TI
    Sound Card
    Realtek Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung SAM0A87 Samsung SAM0D32
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    NVMe WDC WDS100T2B0C-00PXH0 1TB
    Samsung SSD 860 EVO 1TB
    PSU
    750 Watts (62.5A)
    Case
    PowerSpec/Lian Li ATX 205
    Keyboard
    Logitech K270
    Mouse
    Logitech M185
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge and Firefox
    Antivirus
    ESET Internet Security
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Canary Channel
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    PowerSpec G156
    CPU
    Intel Core i5-8400 CPU @ 2.80GHz
    Motherboard
    AsusTeK Prime B360M-S
    Memory
    16 MB DDR 4-2666
    Monitor(s) Displays
    23" Speptre HDMI 75Hz
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 970 EVO 500GB NVMe
    Mouse
    Logitek M185
    Keyboard
    Logitek K270
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge and Edge Canary
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
@Mark Phelps, I looked up MarketPro Computer Shows and the shows are in Lauel MD. It's south of Baltimore and way to far for me. When they had them at the University of Delaware I could be there in 20 to 30 minutes. The Micro Center in St. Davids is about 45 minutes to 1 hour away. There use to be a Tiger Direct about 15 minutes away but they closed the store.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Canary Channel
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    PowerSpec B746
    CPU
    Intel Core i7-10700K
    Motherboard
    ASRock Z490 Phantom Gaming 4/ax
    Memory
    16GB (8GB PC4-19200 DDR4 SDRAM x2)
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 TI
    Sound Card
    Realtek Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung SAM0A87 Samsung SAM0D32
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    NVMe WDC WDS100T2B0C-00PXH0 1TB
    Samsung SSD 860 EVO 1TB
    PSU
    750 Watts (62.5A)
    Case
    PowerSpec/Lian Li ATX 205
    Keyboard
    Logitech K270
    Mouse
    Logitech M185
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge and Firefox
    Antivirus
    ESET Internet Security
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Canary Channel
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    PowerSpec G156
    CPU
    Intel Core i5-8400 CPU @ 2.80GHz
    Motherboard
    AsusTeK Prime B360M-S
    Memory
    16 MB DDR 4-2666
    Monitor(s) Displays
    23" Speptre HDMI 75Hz
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 970 EVO 500GB NVMe
    Mouse
    Logitek M185
    Keyboard
    Logitek K270
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge and Edge Canary
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
The Micro Center in St. Davids is about 45 minutes to 1 hour away.

I shop at the one in Fairfax VA. It's actually two hours away from me so I always plan trips around visiting family in Maryland.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 (Build 22631.3296)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom built
    CPU
    Intel i9-9900K
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte Aorus Z390 Xtreme
    Memory
    32G (4x8) DDR4 Corsair RGB Dominator Platinum (3600Mhz)
    Graphics Card(s)
    Radeon VII
    Sound Card
    Onboard (ESS Sabre HiFi using Realtek drivers)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    NEC PA242w (24 inch)
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1200
    Hard Drives
    5 Samsung SSD drives: 2X 970 NVME (512 & 1TB), 3X EVO SATA (2X 2TB, 1X 1TB)
    PSU
    EVGA Super Nova I000 G2 (1000 watt)
    Case
    Cooler Master H500M
    Cooling
    Corsair H115i RGB Platinum
    Keyboard
    Logitech Craft
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master 3
    Internet Speed
    500mb Download. 11mb Upload
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge Chromium
    Antivirus
    Windows Security
    Other Info
    System used for gaming, photography, music, school.
  • Operating System
    Win 10 Pro 22H2 (build 19045.2130)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom Built
    CPU
    Intel i7-7700K
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte GA-Z270X-GAMING 8
    Memory
    32G (4x8) DDR4 Corsair Dominator Platinum (3333Mhz)
    Graphics card(s)
    AMD Radeon R9 Fury
    Sound Card
    Onboard (Creative Sound Blaster certified ZxRi)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Dell U2415 (24 inch)
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1200
    Hard Drives
    3 Samsung SSD drives: 1x 512gig 950 NVMe drive (OS drive), 1 x 512gig 850 Pro, 1x 256gig 840 Pro.
    PSU
    EVGA Super Nova 1000 P2 (1000 watt)
    Case
    Phantek Enthoo Luxe
    Cooling
    Corsair H100i
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master
    Keyboard
    Logitech MK 710
    Internet Speed
    100MB
    Browser
    Edge Chromium
    Antivirus
    Windows Security
    Other Info
    This is my backup system.
I shop at the one in Fairfax VA. It's actually two hours away from me so I always plan trips around visiting family in Maryland.
They are a nice store. I do wish they had a close location in N.J. so I don't have to pay the bridge toll to cross the river.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Canary Channel
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    PowerSpec B746
    CPU
    Intel Core i7-10700K
    Motherboard
    ASRock Z490 Phantom Gaming 4/ax
    Memory
    16GB (8GB PC4-19200 DDR4 SDRAM x2)
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 TI
    Sound Card
    Realtek Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung SAM0A87 Samsung SAM0D32
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    NVMe WDC WDS100T2B0C-00PXH0 1TB
    Samsung SSD 860 EVO 1TB
    PSU
    750 Watts (62.5A)
    Case
    PowerSpec/Lian Li ATX 205
    Keyboard
    Logitech K270
    Mouse
    Logitech M185
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge and Firefox
    Antivirus
    ESET Internet Security
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Canary Channel
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    PowerSpec G156
    CPU
    Intel Core i5-8400 CPU @ 2.80GHz
    Motherboard
    AsusTeK Prime B360M-S
    Memory
    16 MB DDR 4-2666
    Monitor(s) Displays
    23" Speptre HDMI 75Hz
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 970 EVO 500GB NVMe
    Mouse
    Logitek M185
    Keyboard
    Logitek K270
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge and Edge Canary
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
If someone wants or needs a new computer why not buy one with Windows 11 already installed. Even in the early Insider Builds Windows 11 is very impressive.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Canary Channel
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    PowerSpec B746
    CPU
    Intel Core i7-10700K
    Motherboard
    ASRock Z490 Phantom Gaming 4/ax
    Memory
    16GB (8GB PC4-19200 DDR4 SDRAM x2)
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 TI
    Sound Card
    Realtek Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung SAM0A87 Samsung SAM0D32
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    NVMe WDC WDS100T2B0C-00PXH0 1TB
    Samsung SSD 860 EVO 1TB
    PSU
    750 Watts (62.5A)
    Case
    PowerSpec/Lian Li ATX 205
    Keyboard
    Logitech K270
    Mouse
    Logitech M185
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge and Firefox
    Antivirus
    ESET Internet Security
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Canary Channel
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    PowerSpec G156
    CPU
    Intel Core i5-8400 CPU @ 2.80GHz
    Motherboard
    AsusTeK Prime B360M-S
    Memory
    16 MB DDR 4-2666
    Monitor(s) Displays
    23" Speptre HDMI 75Hz
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 970 EVO 500GB NVMe
    Mouse
    Logitek M185
    Keyboard
    Logitek K270
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge and Edge Canary
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
The first batch of Windows 11 computers will presumably be on sale this yearend holiday season. Would you buy one?

Pros and cons in my case:

Pros: My main desktop tower came with Windows 8.1, upgraded to Windows 10 Pro, but it cannot be upgraded to Windows 11 (4th generation i7, no TPM) I do like the 'peace of mind' benefits of TPM, especially dTPM, in light of ever growing concerns about security.

Cons: The computer runs well, and will probably still run well until 2025.

What about you?
First, TPM only offers security if you encrypt your disk and if the disk is removed from the original computer and attempted to be used on another computer. It offers little protection if the entire computer is stolen or is hacked into over a network connection. So for me, as a standard user, I see very little security benefit to TPM. It's only big benefit is for removable drives that have a greater chance of being stolen separately from the computer.

Now, regarding all the Windows 11 ready and Windows 11 certified....ummmm.....polite word, hooplah. It's just marketing hype and nothing else. So someone who says, "I'm not going to get a Windows 11 computer when they first come out because I want the bugs to get worked out first!" Well if Windows 11 has bugs on the new computer then guess what you do....just install Windows 10 on it. So far Windows 11 and Windows 10 are using the exact same digital licenses and product keys, and I don't see that changing. Windows 11 and Windows 10 share the same drivers, I don't see that changing.

Then there is the person that says, "I'm not going to buy a new computer now, I'm going to wait to get a Windows 11 computer!" Well, guess what...as long as the computer has TPM 2.0, and a modern processor on the Windows 11 supported list, there is no indication whatsoever that the upgrade from Windows 10 to 11 will be anything but free. There is no indication that there are plans to separate Windows 10 and Windows 11 digital licenses or product keys.

So, in summary, Windows 11 is not going affect my computer buying decisions at all.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Homebuilt
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 7 3800XT
    Motherboard
    ASUS ROG Crosshair VII Hero (WiFi)
    Memory
    32GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Education
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Inspiron 7773
    CPU
    Intel i7-8550U
    Memory
    32GB
    Graphics card(s)
    Nvidia Geforce MX150
    Sound Card
    Realtek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    17"
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    Toshiba 512GB NVMe SSD
    SK Hynix 512GB SATA SSD
    Internet Speed
    Fast!
If someone wants or needs a new computer why not buy one with Windows 11 already installed. Even in the early Insider Builds Windows 11 is very impressive.
That's reassuring :) I have an ancient laptop whose housing is beginning to disintegrate. Now I can treat myself to a cheap laptop at Christmas time :)
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 10 Pro
First, TPM only offers security if you encrypt your disk and if the disk is removed from the original computer and attempted to be used on another computer. It offers little protection if the entire computer is stolen or is hacked into over a network connection. So for me, as a standard user, I see very little security benefit to TPM. It's only big benefit is for removable drives that have a greater chance of being stolen separately from the computer.
You can configure BitLocker (with or without TPM) to require a USB key to start up the computer (I do that without TPM) So, that protects against theft of the entire computer. Of course, that does not protect against hacking over a network connection while you are working on your computer (and the hacker 'sees' your unencrypted computer) It may help if you turn off your home networking, but practically speaking, you do need to connect to the Internet, via a router with NAT, etc. Nothing is perfect
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 10 Pro
To answer the original Forum question....Yes....have already purchased a W11 certified Microsoft Surface laptop on which I have installed W11 insider.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    W11 Pro 22H2 Insider Preview
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Microsoft Surface Go
    CPU
    Intel core i5 - 12400
    Memory
    7GB
  • Operating System
    W11 PRO 22H2
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Vostro
    CPU
    Intel i5 - 12400
That's not true about the BIOS. The only thing I see different is the PowerSpec name on screen before the login screen. On my old desktop I found a newer BIOS update on the ASUS site then the one on the PowerSpec site. I had no problem doing the update. Now instead of showing the PowerSpec name it now shows the ASUS name.
Great news -- thanks. So, I'll consider a PowerSpec when I get around to upgrading.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom built
    CPU
    Ryzen 5600X
    Motherboard
    ASRock Steel Legend
    Memory
    16GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA GT 710
    Sound Card
    None
    Monitor(s) Displays
    23",24", 19" - flat panels
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1200
    Hard Drives
    None - only M.2 SATA and NVMe drives
    PSU
    750W
    Case
    Antec
    Cooling
    stock Wraith cooler
    Keyboard
    Corsair gaming
    Mouse
    Logitech M720
    Internet Speed
    1Gb
The last time I bought a desktop PC was in 2010. I was building my own after that.
I bougth a laptop last year (Asus Zenbook, 10th Gen i5) and it is compatible with Win 11. But a barely consider it a "PC" for my purpose. I mainly use a laptop for paying bills and stuffs while having coffee. It's like an iPad for me. :)
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 9 3900X
    Motherboard
    MSI MPG Gaming Edge Wifi (X570)
    Memory
    32GB Adata XPG DDR4
    Graphics Card(s)
    ASUS GTX 1070 8GB ROG
    Monitor(s) Displays
    LG Ultrawide 34"
    Screen Resolution
    3440x1440
    Hard Drives
    Main Boot Drive : 512GB Adata XPG RGB Gen3x4 NVMe M.2 SSD
    PSU
    EVGA 600 Watts Gold
    Case
    Deepcool Genome II
    Cooling
    Deepcool Fryzen
    Internet Speed
    1Gbps
    Browser
    Chrome
    Antivirus
    "Moderna"
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    i7-4790K
    Motherboard
    ASRock Xtreme6 Z97
    Memory
    16GB Corsair Vengeance Pro
    Graphics card(s)
    MSI R9 290
    Monitor(s) Displays
    LG Ultrawide 34"
    Screen Resolution
    3440x1440
    Hard Drives
    Samsung M.2
    PSU
    Thermaltake 475 Watts 80 Bronze
    Case
    Thermaltake Commander I Snow Edition
    Cooling
    Deep Cool Archer Air Cooler
    Mouse
    Logitech G402
    Keyboard
    Armageddon MKA-5R RGB-Hornet
    Internet Speed
    1Gbps
    Browser
    Chrome
    Antivirus
    Moderna :)
You can configure BitLocker (with or without TPM) to require a USB key to start up the computer (I do that without TPM) So, that protects against theft of the entire computer. Of course, that does not protect against hacking over a network connection while you are working on your computer (and the hacker 'sees' your unencrypted computer) It may help if you turn off your home networking, but practically speaking, you do need to connect to the Internet, via a router with NAT, etc. Nothing is perfect

I am confused. You initially posted:

The first batch of Windows 11 computers will presumably be on sale this yearend holiday season. Would you buy one?

Pros and cons in my case:

Pros: My main desktop tower came with Windows 8.1, upgraded to Windows 10 Pro, but it cannot be upgraded to Windows 11 (4th generation i7, no TPM) I do like the 'peace of mind' benefits of TPM, especially dTPM, in light of ever growing concerns about security.

So what are the "peace of mind" benefits that you get with TPM?
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Homebuilt
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 7 3800XT
    Motherboard
    ASUS ROG Crosshair VII Hero (WiFi)
    Memory
    32GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Education
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Inspiron 7773
    CPU
    Intel i7-8550U
    Memory
    32GB
    Graphics card(s)
    Nvidia Geforce MX150
    Sound Card
    Realtek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    17"
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    Toshiba 512GB NVMe SSD
    SK Hynix 512GB SATA SSD
    Internet Speed
    Fast!
I am confused. You initially posted:



So what are the "peace of mind" benefits that you get with TPM?
Well, first of all, I don't claim to be an expert. I have a little bit of practical experience in security without TPM, and my reading says that there is still a small attack surface exposed. I don't have any practical experience in security with TPM, but my reading says that the attack surface is even smaller (not non-existent)

There are entire forums dedicated to this topic, and there is a lot of people out there that can explain this a lot better than me. I sometimes read elsewhere on this forum that the whole TPM issue is overblown, I myself don't think that the TPM issue is overblown at all. If you go on those other forums, you can read about TPM for a more balanced opinion.
 
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just because one person doesn't believe in an app or feature doesn't mean it's useless; it simply mean they don't believe in it.

Most never even heard of TPM until Windows 11. Now there's mass hysteria, confusion, and misinformation.
 

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just because one person doesn't believe in an app or feature doesn't mean it's useless; it simply mean they don't believe in it.

Most never even heard of TPM until Windows 11. Now there's mass hysteria, confusion, and misinformation.
But what exactly does TPM do other than protect an encrypted drive if it is removed the computer? I just don't see a thief taking the time to open my desktop or my laptop and removing the drives from them and taking them.

I guess there is this from an internet article:

Safer Storage​

You can safely store your encryption keys, certificates, and passwords used for accessing online services inside a TPM. This is a more secure alternative than storing them inside the software on your hard drive.

So how do you store your credentials in TPM rather than in Windows? Does anyone know?

But, again, that would only seem to be effective if the drive was removed from the computer and separated from the TPM.

Basically, users are saying, "I feel safer knowing I have TPM!" And then you ask them, "Why?" and the answer is, "Because I have TPM, that's why!"
 
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Not trying to be funny but if you really wanted to know you'd look into it instead of arguing it down and asking others what it does. There are numerous postings here, tenforums, and elsewhere explaining TPM. It's not hard to find that info.

The real question is why is Microsoft so keen on making it a requirement for Windows 11. Does Windows 11 plan on auto encrypting our drives? Are there other security features requiring TPM? I can't answer those.

But again, as stated, just because you don't believe in a feature doesn't make it useless, is simply means you don't believe in it.
 

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    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 (Build 22631.3296)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom built
    CPU
    Intel i9-9900K
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte Aorus Z390 Xtreme
    Memory
    32G (4x8) DDR4 Corsair RGB Dominator Platinum (3600Mhz)
    Graphics Card(s)
    Radeon VII
    Sound Card
    Onboard (ESS Sabre HiFi using Realtek drivers)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    NEC PA242w (24 inch)
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1200
    Hard Drives
    5 Samsung SSD drives: 2X 970 NVME (512 & 1TB), 3X EVO SATA (2X 2TB, 1X 1TB)
    PSU
    EVGA Super Nova I000 G2 (1000 watt)
    Case
    Cooler Master H500M
    Cooling
    Corsair H115i RGB Platinum
    Keyboard
    Logitech Craft
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master 3
    Internet Speed
    500mb Download. 11mb Upload
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge Chromium
    Antivirus
    Windows Security
    Other Info
    System used for gaming, photography, music, school.
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    Win 10 Pro 22H2 (build 19045.2130)
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    PC/Desktop
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    Custom Built
    CPU
    Intel i7-7700K
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte GA-Z270X-GAMING 8
    Memory
    32G (4x8) DDR4 Corsair Dominator Platinum (3333Mhz)
    Graphics card(s)
    AMD Radeon R9 Fury
    Sound Card
    Onboard (Creative Sound Blaster certified ZxRi)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Dell U2415 (24 inch)
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1200
    Hard Drives
    3 Samsung SSD drives: 1x 512gig 950 NVMe drive (OS drive), 1 x 512gig 850 Pro, 1x 256gig 840 Pro.
    PSU
    EVGA Super Nova 1000 P2 (1000 watt)
    Case
    Phantek Enthoo Luxe
    Cooling
    Corsair H100i
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master
    Keyboard
    Logitech MK 710
    Internet Speed
    100MB
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    Edge Chromium
    Antivirus
    Windows Security
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    This is my backup system.
Oh, I see that the last paragraph in my previous post is poorly worded. I have just edited it to read like the following.

There are entire forums dedicated to this topic, and there is a lot of people out there that can explain this a lot better than me. I sometimes read elsewhere on this forum that the whole TPM issue is overblown, I myself don't think that the TPM issue is overblown at all. If you go on those other forums, you can read about TPM for a more balanced opinion.

Peace.
 
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