Let's install Windows 11 on incompatible hardware

jonnboy1976 · Aug 29, 2022

hsehestedt said:
johnboy1976,

Take a look at this article to see if it helps you to resolve the situation:

How to fix update error 0x800f8001 on Windows 11.

Learn how to fix Windows 11 update error 0x800f8001. Another of Windows 11’s super annoying update error messages. One that can thankfully be fixed easily. ✅

www.downloadsource.net

Thank you. I saw this article last week and tried all the options but still no change.

jonnboy1976 · Aug 29, 2022

Berton said:
The folks in the Windows Insider section of this forum may have better answers for the issue.

Thank you. I just posted my question there.

flashh4 · Aug 29, 2022

jonnboy1976, have you tried to reset the Windows Update using Command Prompt ? If not try this :

Type the following commands to stop the Background Intelligent Transfer Service (BITS), Windows Update service, and Cryptographic service, and press Enter on each line:

net stop bits
net stop wuauserv
net stop appidsvc
net stop cryptsvc

Chuck

jonnboy1976 · Aug 30, 2022

flashh4 said:
jonnboy1976, have you tried to reset the Windows Update using Command Prompt ? If not try this :

Type the following commands to stop the Background Intelligent Transfer Service (BITS), Windows Update service, and Cryptographic service, and press Enter on each line:

net stop bits
net stop wuauserv
net stop appidsvc
net stop cryptsvc

Chuck

Thank you for the reply. I tried this, but still no change.

haisterepair · Aug 30, 2022

I thought I would chime in with my own tests installing Win 11 with a bootable USB drive using Rufus, which enables the user to easily bypass TPM requirements. These are all with Win 10 license keys previously activated.

- Lenovo ThinkPad T540p (i7-4800MQ): I have been running Windows 11 since April 2022 with no issues.
- Lenovo ThinkPad T530 (i7-3610QM): Works well
- Panasonic Toughbook CF-C2 (i5-4310U): Works well
- Dell Inspiron 15 7537 (4th gen i7): Works well

Next up is a PC with an i7-7700K. I expect it to be no different. I find it interesting that Lenovo released drivers for Windows 11 for devices that don't meet the Microsoft CPU requirements. As well, I have some Ciara SFF desktops with an ASUS Q170M-C motherboard installed. On the motherboard support site, it is listed as being Win 11 ready, despite being limited to 6th and 7th gen Intel CPU's. They have i5-6500's installed.

hsehestedt · Aug 30, 2022

haisterepair said:
I thought I would chime in with my own tests installing Win 11 with a bootable USB drive using Rufus, which enables the user to easily bypass TPM requirements. These are all with Win 10 license keys previously activated.

- Lenovo ThinkPad T540p (i7-4800MQ): I have been running Windows 11 since April 2022 with no issues.
- Lenovo ThinkPad T530 (i7-3610QM): Works well
- Panasonic Toughbook CF-C2 (i5-4310U): Works well
- Dell Inspiron 15 7537 (4th gen i7): Works well

Next up is a PC with an i7-7700K. I expect it to be no different. I find it interesting that Lenovo released drivers for Windows 11 for devices that don't meet the Microsoft CPU requirements. As well, I have some Ciara SFF desktops with an ASUS Q170M-C motherboard installed. On the motherboard support site, it is listed as being Win 11 ready, despite being limited to 6th and 7th gen Intel CPU's. They have i5-6500's installed.

Really? That's pretty cool - first time I heard of anyone releasing Win 11 drivers for technically unsupported hardware. Thanks for sharing this info.

Bree · Aug 30, 2022

haisterepair said:
Lenovo ThinkPad T540p (i7-4800MQ) ...I find it interesting that Lenovo released drivers for Windows 11 for devices that don't meet the Microsoft CPU requirements.

hsehestedt said:
Really? That's pretty cool - first time I heard of anyone releasing Win 11 drivers for technically unsupported hardware.

Lenovo have some for even older devices than that. I have a Thinkpad T430 ( i5-3320M) that they have at least one Windows 11 driver for....

laptops and netbooks :: thinkpad t series laptops :: thinkpad t430 - Lenovo Support GB

pcsupport.lenovo.com

Step back further to a T420 (i5-2520M) I had before that and there are no drivers for Windows 11, but still some software and utilities.

laptops and netbooks :: thinkpad t series laptops :: thinkpad t420contentdetail - Lenovo Support GB

pcsupport.lenovo.com

Cromax · Aug 30, 2022

jonnboy1976 said:
Thank you for the reply. I tried this, but still no change.

Pause updates
cmd in admin
Dism /online /cleanup-image /startcomponentcleanup
sfc /scannow
resume updates
check for updates

haisterepair · Aug 31, 2022

hsehestedt said:
Really? That's pretty cool - first time I heard of anyone releasing Win 11 drivers for technically unsupported hardware. Thanks for sharing this info.

I would have to think that the driver update is lumped in with other devices that are on the official "supported list." Either way, encouraging to see.

Bree said:
Lenovo have some for even older devices than that. I have a Thinkpad T430 ( i5-3320M) that they have at least one Windows 11 driver for....

laptops and netbooks :: thinkpad t series laptops :: thinkpad t430 - Lenovo Support GB

pcsupport.lenovo.com

Step back further to a T420 (i5-2520M) I had before that and there are no drivers for Windows 11, but still some software and utilities.

laptops and netbooks :: thinkpad t series laptops :: thinkpad t420contentdetail - Lenovo Support GB

pcsupport.lenovo.com

Who knows, maybe Lenovo is acknowledging that users are going to find a way to use Windows 11 on legacy devices one way or the other :wink:

I like to live in a fictional reality.

spapakons · Aug 31, 2022

hsehestedt said:
Really? That's pretty cool - first time I heard of anyone releasing Win 11 drivers for technically unsupported hardware. Thanks for sharing this info.

Windows 8/10 drivers are simply stated as Windows 11 drivers because they also work in Windows 11. They are the same 8/10 drivers, no new.

hsehestedt · Aug 31, 2022

spapakons said:
Windows 8/10 drivers are simply stated as Windows 11 drivers because they also work in Windows 11. They are the same 8/10 drivers, no new.

Mostly true. It's true that windows 10 drivers will work on 11 as well, but there are some new driver models for Windows 11 that will not work on 10. For example, I'm using new network adapter drivers that won't work on 10.

I know that being a little nit-picky but I thought it's worth pointing out.

Bree · Aug 31, 2022

spapakons said:
Windows 8/10 drivers are simply stated as Windows 11 drivers because they also work in Windows 11. They are the same 8/10 drivers,

While that is true, I've not seen any other OEM accnowledge this to be the case, or offer Windows 11 as an option in the search on their support pages for unsupported devices. Perhaps Lenovo is one of the few that goes the extra mile and tests them in W11 on their older machines?

spapakons · Aug 31, 2022

Bree said:
While that is true, I've not seen any other OEM accnowledge this to be the case, or offer Windows 11 as an option in the search on their support pages for unsupported devices. Perhaps Lenovo is one of the few that goes the extra mile and tests them in W11 on their older machines?

No, they do it on purpose to make us think their computers are Windows 11 compatible while the competition isn't. They know many of us will install Windows 11 anyway and want to make a positive impression by supplying Windows 11 drivers. It's all marketing.

Bree · Aug 31, 2022

spapakons said:
They know many of us will install Windows 11 anyway and want to make a positive impression by supplying Windows 11 drivers. It's all marketing.

Well, I hope at least they test them before doing so, that would be a positive point in their favour.

spapakons · Aug 31, 2022

They don't test them themselves, they rely on our feedback either directly to Lenovo or in forums like Elevenforum. If a model is not fully working in Windows 11 they won't bother to fix it, unless it can be done by a different driver.

SlicEnDicE · Aug 31, 2022

Of course they test the drivers, it is just that very often some bugs slip through.

Dirtyflash · Aug 31, 2022

spapakons said:
They don't test them themselves, they rely on our feedback either directly to Lenovo or in forums like Elevenforum. If a model is not fully working in Windows 11 they won't bother to fix it, unless it can be done by a different driver.

I do have to wonder if Lenovo has a test lab with all the older hardware where they update the devices to Windows 11 to see what happens?

spapakons · Aug 31, 2022

Not even close. They just duplicate the Windows 10 drivers page and change the description to Windows 11 drivers and let us wonder if our systems work with Windows 11.

Bree · Aug 31, 2022

spapakons said:
They just duplicate the Windows 10 drivers page and change the description to Windows 11 drivers and let us wonder if our systems work with Windows 11.

No, some thought in selecting for Windows 11 has been made. They show a restricted set of downloads for Windows 11 for my unsupported T430. The power management is the only driver in the list.....