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StartAllBack: Windows 11 from better timeline​

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Embrace, enhance, unsweep classic UI from under the rug​

Restore and improve taskbar​

  • Show labels on task icons
  • Adjust icon size and margins
  • Move taskbar to top, left or right edges
  • Drag and drop stuff onto taskbar
  • Center task icons but keep Start button on the left
  • Split into segments, use dynamic translucency
  • Separate corner icons with Windows 7/10 UI
  • Auto-hide when covered by maximized window

Restore and improve File Explorer and Control Panel​

  • Ribbon and Command Bar revamped with translucent effects
  • Details pane on bottom
  • Old search box (the one which works)
  • Dark mode support for more dialogs

Restore and improve context menus​

  • All new look with rounded acrylic menus
  • Fast and responsive taskbar menus
  • New fonts, better touch support

Restore and improve start menu​

  • Launch apps and go to system places in one click
  • Navigate dropdown menus like a boss
  • Enjoy fast and reliable search

Finally, lightweight styling and UI consistency​

  • Enjoy Windows 7, Windows 8 and third-party taskbar and start menu styles
  • Fix UI inconsistencies in Win32 apps
  • Don't be blue: recolor UI in all windows apps
  • Negative resource usage: fewer RAM used, fewer processes started, faster startup





StartAllBack For Windows 11 has been released.
It's an RC release. I haven't tested it yet as I have Start11 installed.

Edit: I have now tested it. It's working quite well.
Apart from a great start menu, you can also have the Enhanced Classic Taskbar back.
This means (for example) that you can have an uncombined and unlocked Taskbar.
You will now also be able to enhance the Taskbar clock using T-Clock Redux or similar.
T-Clock Redux Tray Clock_.png

You can also change Windows Explorer to Ribbon UI or Simple UI.

You can get it Download

StartAllBack to fix all Windows 11 deal-breaking UI issues

StartAllBack restores taskbar, start menu, context menus, explorer, sanity, style and order!
www.startallback.com


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NormanF said:
Me, too. Microsoft told developers they have to use the Windows 11 taskbar or they would be blocked from installing their apps on 24H2.
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That's unfortuante, as taskbar is the only thing I do not like about Windows 11. MS giving us more reasons with every update to abandon windows for linux it seems.
 

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An updated version has popped up not sure what's been fixed though
StartAllBack v3.7.11.4917
 

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lol all it says:


Version 3.7.11 6 Jul 2024
  • Minor improvements and fixes
 

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Wolfzz said:
StartAllBack v3.7.11.4917
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Strange!
I had 3.7.11.4915, I downloaded it again, now I have 3.7.11.4916! 🤷‍♂️

EDIT: Nevermind, it's version 4917, the Config version is 4916!

Also, now I have Windows 7 style AeroGlass buttons in some places!!! 🤷‍♂️

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Well, there is a bug.
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Looks like an update will arrive soon again.............. ;-)
 

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It's OK, I installed again and now it's back to normal, the issue with the clock/date being centered and wide happened after a screen shutdown due to inactivity.
 

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Ataemonus said:
It's OK, I installed again and now it's back to normal, the issue with the clock/date being centered and wide happened after a screen shutdown due to inactivity.
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Well, it happened again, with the latest build from the official website, so yeah...
 

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The bugs aren't in SAB, the bugs are in that fecking abomination MS calls Explorer!!!
Just don't use any of the W11 settings.
 

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If the bugs are not in SAB, why it only happens since the last update of SAB ? Also, what do you mean "don't use any of the W11 settings", how does that even make sense to you ?
 

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TASKBAR2 ALPHA2 From the Author​

"Taskbar2" is new StartAllBack version with fully recreated taskbar. It's unfinished preview and is for testing only.

It's all-new code which will pose new challenges and degradations... but breaking from stale taskbar implementation will provide new possibilities.

Not finished:

- No perks (centered, segmented ex.)

- No auto-hide

- No translation for taskbar context menu

- Can't move primary taskbar from primary display

  • Expect all kinds of things and try all kinds of software and tests
  • Please stay strictly on topic. Do regression testing (compare with existing classic taskbar / stable version)
 

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Custom Build
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Intel Core i9 12900KF
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ASUS GeForce RTX 3090 ROG Strix OC 24GB
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Acer Predator XB323UGP 32" QHD G-SYNC-C 144Hz 1MS IPS LED
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Functionality checklist

General
  • 21H2/22(3)H2/24H2 are slightly different, binary compatibility with Canary+ may be difficult
  • Shouldn't crash when logging off or exiting explorer (Ctrl+Shift+taskbar context menu)
  • Settings from classic taskbar (taskbar position/size/toolbars) should be compatible
  • Leak testing to be done

No plans to be reimplemented / different:
  • No 7+ Taskbar Tweaker or taskbar hacks expected to work
  • Application telemetry: test if launching / switching between applications affects frequently used app list
  • First boot settings: test if creating new profile works okay for taskbar / start menu
  • Immersive fullscreen apps: taskbar will not be shown above/auto-hidden with fullscreen metro apps
  • Edge gestures: test if edge gestures on touchscreen work as expected
  • Monitor filtering: pinned apps are always shown on secondary taskbars

Primary / secondary taskbars:
  • Working area responds to taskbar size/dpi/position changes, including corner icon flyouts
  • Theme changes accordingly
  • Position and size is saved properly (primary taskbar saves settings 2 seconds after changing)
  • Primary taskbar retains saved / primary display
  • Per-display window filtering works as expected / works with conjunction of virtual desktops
  • Taskbar does not show above full screen app
  • Tablet posture should affect all button padding

Primary taskbar toolbars:
  • Toolbars menu is shown if taskbar is unlocked / there are toolbars
  • Adding / removing first-party and third-party toolbars works as expected (TrueLaunchBar (?), etc)
  • Adding / removing / changing / moving toolbars results in proper taskbar size

Start menu/buttons:
  • Start menu invocation closes opened app menus
  • Start menu invocation with Win, Ctrl+Esc, start button with classic/native taskbar
  • Task view / search / widgets button functionality
  • System tray / corner icons area functionality
 

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Wolfzz said:

TASKBAR2 ALPHA2 From the Author​

"Taskbar2" is new StartAllBack version with fully recreated taskbar. It's unfinished preview and is for testing only.

It's all-new code which will pose new challenges and degradations... but breaking from stale taskbar implementation will provide new possibilities.

Not finished:

- No perks (centered, segmented ex.)

- No auto-hide

- No translation for taskbar context menu

- Can't move primary taskbar from primary display

  • Expect all kinds of things and try all kinds of software and tests
  • Please stay strictly on topic. Do regression testing (compare with existing classic taskbar / stable version)
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Thank you for this.

Do you happen to know how can I disable or enable that ? Or is it not a feature that can be activated ?
Just as a reference point, since @Edwin mentioned it, it still make zero sense to me, but ... here are my settings, both W11 and SAB.
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Nothing fancy, except maybe the custom colors for the taskbar and Start Menu.
 

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Ataemonus said:
Thank you for this.

Do you happen to know how can I disable or enable that ? Or is it not a feature that can be activated ?
Just as a reference point, since @Edwin mentioned it, it still make zero sense to me, but ... here are my settings, both W11 and SAB.
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Nothing fancy, except maybe the custom colors for the taskbar and Start Menu.
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Have a look here

msfn.org

TASKBAR2 ALPHA2

"Taskbar2" is new StartAllBack version with fully recreated taskbar. It's unfinished preview and is for testing only. It's all-new code which will pose new challenges and degradations... but breaking from stale taskbar implementation will provide new possibilities. Not finished: - No perks (cente...
msfn.org
 

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Custom Build
CPU
Intel Core i9 12900KF
Motherboard
ASUS ROG Maximus Z690 Hero
Memory
Corsair 64GB DDR5 Vengeance C40 5200Mhz
Graphics Card(s)
ASUS GeForce RTX 3090 ROG Strix OC 24GB
Sound Card
OnBoard
Monitor(s) Displays
Acer Predator XB323UGP 32" QHD G-SYNC-C 144Hz 1MS IPS LED
Screen Resolution
2560 x 1440
Hard Drives
1x Samsung 980 Pro Series Gen4 250GB M.2 NVMe
1x Samsung 980 Pro Series Gen4 500GB M.2 NVMe
2x Samsung 980 Pro Series Gen4 2TB M.2 NVMe
PSU
Corsair AX1200i 1200W 80PLUS Titanium Modular
Case
Corsair 4000D Black Case w/ Tempered Glass Side Panel
Cooling
Noctua NH-U12A Chromax Black CPU Cooler, 4x Noctua 120mm Fans
Keyboard
Logitech MK545
Mouse
Logitech MX Master 3
Internet Speed
Fixed Wireless 150mbps/75mbps
Browser
Firefox
Antivirus
Kaspersky
Other Info
Thrustmaster TS-PC RACER
Fanatec CSL Elite Pedals with the Load Cell Kit
Yamaha Amp with Bose Speakers
Wolfzz said:
Have a look here

msfn.org

TASKBAR2 ALPHA2

"Taskbar2" is new StartAllBack version with fully recreated taskbar. It's unfinished preview and is for testing only. It's all-new code which will pose new challenges and degradations... but breaking from stale taskbar implementation will provide new possibilities. Not finished: - No perks (cente...
msfn.org
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Thank you, kind sir.
 

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T2 ALPHA 2 working well on 26244.5000! (y)

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Edwin said:
T2 ALPHA 2 working well on 26244.5000!
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There's a trick though..., or it's a glitch..., maybe it's a feature...,
... anyway, Toolbars won't show unless you unlock the Taskbar..., once you invoke or create a Toolbar of some sort, Toolbars header will show...

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    Windows 11 Pro
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    Laptop
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    ASUS VivoBook
  • ASUS VivoBook 'Lite' ~ Windows 11 Home
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