Thoughts on Windows 11


MS probably feels safe using a business model of ignoring home users because in the end, we always "come around". As I tried to illustrate in previous posts, home users will ALWAYS end up using what is served to us.
What is served to me is 3rd party software that enables me to ignore said business model. We're talking about the same business model that kills productivity in those specific work environments where the user typically doesn't have the required privilges to install any 3rd party software so, to a large degree, you got that backwards.
 

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Got news for ya..., big businesses hate it when MS does a major re-design! The learning curve often costs large corporations millions!
Not to mention, the support thereof, also costs millions!
This is one of the main reasons why (very) large corporations still rely on Java EE technology (what's known as Jakarta EE these days) so significantly. Because they are the largest, they have enough money they can spend in order to avoid Mickeysoft's cloud based strategy when it comes to protecting their own core business processes against these kinds of shenanigans.
 

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Like I said. You can't please everyone, and I don't expect MS to try.
During the W10 release, they advertised that they listened to Users. They did. Probably most of the input came from their biggest user base (Business), and the rest were largely (but admittedly, not entirely) ignored.
I disagree with pulling features out of windows and relying on third party software to fill the void, when millions of home users are asking for them back. Especially the UI customization features.

I'm sure that there will be people who love the new release "out of the box". They don't mind an extra two or three clicks (how hard is that anyway.), and they will not miss customization features they never use. Burying commands under sub menus? Changing layouts? Remove existing features and replace them with third party software? Hey! adapt and overcome baby! learn it and "Get used to it"! Could it be better? SURE! But it's what we got.

MS probably feels safe using a business model of ignoring home users because in the end, we always "come around". As I tried to illustrate in previous posts, home users will ALWAYS end up using what is served to us. Vista is a case in point. It was NEVER fully "fixed". Every time I stuck a thumb drive into a customers machine and it said there were no drivers for it, I knew I was on a Vista machine. It always had problems. After a time, home users accepted these flaws, glitches and problems as normal. Win 11 will be the new normal. Eventually 11 users will "forget" that Windows interface used to be more customizable, and the whining will die down to a trickle. When problems start creeping in, MS will blame (who?) third party software; as they do now. That (alone) does not make MS a monster. I know MS can't listen to everyone. If they did, the OS would eventually require its own separate 2TB hard drive. Ignoring millions of home users asking for features to be brought back that used to be in windows but were removed is "Just Business". That doesn't make it right though. There needs to be some balance somewhere.

"People should not have to adapt to the software. Software should adapt to the people".
{me}

Note: Maybe it IS me. Perhaps I'm just more resistant to change than I thought. I was probably one of the last people to leave XP behind for Vista. I skipped both ME and the 8 series. I still to this day use the hard fought for up arrow in Windows Explorer.
Is Win 11 really that terrible? No.... I don't think so. There is just a lot of small stuff that rubs me the wrong way. in the end, I really don't think that the minutia will cause me to skip this edition. I want to dispel any notion gathered from the diatribe above that I am in the Win 11 hater category. I WILL miss the flexibility to tailor the user interface the way I used to though. Adapt and overcome baby!

Publishing registry hacks is not fixing the problem.
Bring back F8
Allow me to retort:

1) We don't know how many users are asking for features to be restored.. I doubt it's millions
2) "People should not have to adapt to the software. Software should adapt to the people". - Really? How many software companies ask for input for the design of their products? Very few to none. Does say... Adobe ask the users for input? No they really don't. They do fix issues brought up by the user base for say, Photoshop but that's about it.. we learn to use the new versions and adapt. It's like life.. we adapt to new situation.. if we like it or not.

Is it you? Well, yes.. you're complaining so you're the one with the issues. Is that bad? No.. but you may want to dial back your expectations a tad bit. As I say.. accept life on life's terms..

But I digress... My 2c FWIW
 

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Here is my opinion for what it's worth... When I first tried win 11 I was very unimpressed and thought it was awful. A few weeks later I thought it was ok. Now having installed it on 3 machines without any problems along with the fact there are now tweaks and hacks about to cure things I didn't like, updates are smooth and quick every driver update and program updates have worked fine. I think it's brilliant. My only only nag is you cannot see the contents of folders on the icon so I used custom icons. I am really happy with 11
 

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...you're complaining so you're the one with the issues...
Nuthin wrong with complaining..., look at most public reviews of consumer products..., often highly negative, if not hateful and vulgar at times!
Companies need to hear it, lest they pretend divinity and it goes straight to their heads!!! :cool:
 

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How many software companies ask for input for the design of their products?
As a trained software developer, asking for input for the design is of vital importance, in fact it is what I do for a living.
 

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I wonder what percentage of Windows users ever modify the OS more than change the Wallpaper and maybe change the UI Colour? Most will load their applications and use the OS as it's delivered to them with their shiny new computer.

Business users will rarely have the ability to modify anything

The users here expect more out of the OS, and want as much customisation as possible but we are still only a tiny percentage of the total Windows users.

Now a lot of members here took part in the Insiders program, and got an early copy of the OS - but how many of those users actually gave microsoft Feedback on the things that they did not like, the additional steps to perform a simple action, the inability to have a function that way they preferred.

Now, if everyone who was part of the insiders program sent in a regular set of requests and comments, the changes may have been dialled back or even not made, this is despite the fact that the complete insiders program only contained a small percentage of the potential users of Windows 11
 

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I wonder what percentage of Windows users ever modify the OS more than change the Wallpaper and maybe change the UI Colour? Most will load their applications and use the OS as it's delivered to them with their shiny new computer.

Business users will rarely have the ability to modify anything

The users here expect more out of the OS, and want as much customisation as possible but we are still only a tiny percentage of the total Windows users.

Now a lot of members here took part in the Insiders program, and got an early copy of the OS - but how many of those users actually gave microsoft Feedback on the things that they did not like, the additional steps to perform a simple action, the inability to have a function that way they preferred.

Now, if everyone who was part of the insiders program sent in a regular set of requests and comments, the changes may have been dialled back or even not made, this is despite the fact that the complete insiders program only contained a small percentage of the potential users of Windows 11
Hi,
Obviously no insiders used feedback hub/...
Otherwise start menu wouldn't be rubbish
Show more also wouldn't of existed for more than 5 minutes lol
 

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The users here expect more out of the OS, and want as much customisation as possible but we are still only a tiny percentage of the total Windows users.
I don't subscribe to that club. I want as few customizations as possible, but not fewer. :D
 
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Hi,
Obviously no insiders used feedback hub/...
Otherwise start menu wouldn't be rubbish
Show more also wouldn't of existed for more than 5 minutes lol
Has microsoft really ever listened?
 

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Another example:
Brink's Copy Contents To Clipboard...,
... one of the handiest frickin features ever, since sliced bread...
... how the heck you gonna inject that into that modern Menu!?!?!?

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I think they must be addicted to listening (to theirself at least).
It has always seemed to me that Microsoft thinks they know better what we need than we do. Given the choice of deciding how something should be handled or leaving it up to us, they will opt for the former nearly every time. We lose more control with every new version of Windows.
 

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Samsung 980 Pro NVMe 1TB x2
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Corsair RM850x
Case
be quiet! Pure Base 600
Cooling
Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120SE & be quiet! Silent Wings Pro x3 case fans
Keyboard
Arteck Backlit USB Wired
Mouse
Logitech M510
Internet Speed
500Mb down/12Mb up
Browser
Firefox & Edge
Antivirus
Windows Defender & Free MBAM
Other Info
Main PC
As a trained software developer, asking for input for the design is of vital importance, in fact it is what I do for a living.
Oh.. I was a programmer for years and while we got input I don't expect MS to take my input seriously
 

My Computer My Computer

At a glance

Windows 11 Home() - 25H2 -26220.8894AMD Ryzen 5 5600GG.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 64GB 4x16Nvidia geforce gtx titan x
OS
Windows 11 Home() - 25H2 -26220.8894
Computer type
PC/Desktop
Manufacturer/Model
Banana Junior 5600-G Series
CPU
AMD Ryzen 5 5600G
Motherboard
Asus ROG Strix B550-F
Memory
G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 64GB 4x16
Graphics Card(s)
Nvidia geforce gtx titan x
Monitor(s) Displays
28" ASUS VP28U 4k
Screen Resolution
4K
Hard Drives
Primary SAMSUNG 970 EVO Plus
PSU
EVGA BQ 700w 80+ Bronze
Case
Zalman i3 NEO
Cooling
ARCTIC Freezer 7 X
Keyboard
Corsair
Mouse
Amazon Generic with Cord
Internet Speed
Download: 295.11 mbps Upload: 65.35 mbps T-Mobile Internet
Browser
Firefox and Edge
Antivirus
MS - Defender
Other Info
Speakers: Klipsch ProMedia 2.1
@BunnyJ How is the computer? have you got your new motherboard yet?
 

My Computers My Computers

  • At a glance

    Windows 11 Pro13th Gen Core i9 13900HX32GB DDR5 @4800MHz 2x16GBGeforce RTX 4090HX 16GB
    OS
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Alienware M18 R1
    CPU
    13th Gen Core i9 13900HX
    Memory
    32GB DDR5 @4800MHz 2x16GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Geforce RTX 4090HX 16GB
    Sound Card
    Nvidia HD / Realtek ALC3254
    Monitor(s) Displays
    18" QHD+
    Screen Resolution
    25660 X 1600
    Hard Drives
    C: KIOXIA (Toshiba) 2TB KXG80ZNV2T04 NVMe PCIe M.2 SSD
    D: KIOXIA (Toshiba) 2TB KXG80ZNV2T04 NVMe PCIe M.2 SSD
    Case
    Dark Metallic Moon
    Keyboard
    Alienware M Series per-key AlienFX RGB
    Mouse
    Alienware AW610M
    Browser
    Chrome and Firefox
    Antivirus
    Norton
    Other Info
    Killer E3000 Ethernet Controller
    Killer Killer AX1690 Wi-Fi Network Adaptor Wi-Fi 6E
    Bluetooth 5.2
    Alienware Z01G Graphic Amplifier
  • At a glance

    Windows 11 Pro10th Gen i-9 10900 K32Gb Dual Channel DDR4 @ 8843MHzNvidia RTX 2080 Super
    Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Alienware Area 51m R2
    CPU
    10th Gen i-9 10900 K
    Memory
    32Gb Dual Channel DDR4 @ 8843MHz
    Graphics card(s)
    Nvidia RTX 2080 Super
    Sound Card
    Nvidia
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    Hard Drive C: Samsung 2TB SSD PM981a NVMe
    Hard Drive D:Samsung 2TB SSD 970 EVO Plus
    Mouse
    Alienware 610M
    Browser
    Chrome
    Antivirus
    Norton

My Computer My Computer

At a glance

Windows 11 Home() - 25H2 -26220.8894AMD Ryzen 5 5600GG.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 64GB 4x16Nvidia geforce gtx titan x
OS
Windows 11 Home() - 25H2 -26220.8894
Computer type
PC/Desktop
Manufacturer/Model
Banana Junior 5600-G Series
CPU
AMD Ryzen 5 5600G
Motherboard
Asus ROG Strix B550-F
Memory
G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 64GB 4x16
Graphics Card(s)
Nvidia geforce gtx titan x
Monitor(s) Displays
28" ASUS VP28U 4k
Screen Resolution
4K
Hard Drives
Primary SAMSUNG 970 EVO Plus
PSU
EVGA BQ 700w 80+ Bronze
Case
Zalman i3 NEO
Cooling
ARCTIC Freezer 7 X
Keyboard
Corsair
Mouse
Amazon Generic with Cord
Internet Speed
Download: 295.11 mbps Upload: 65.35 mbps T-Mobile Internet
Browser
Firefox and Edge
Antivirus
MS - Defender
Other Info
Speakers: Klipsch ProMedia 2.1

My Computer My Computer

At a glance

Windows 11 Home() - 25H2 -26220.8894AMD Ryzen 5 5600GG.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 64GB 4x16Nvidia geforce gtx titan x
OS
Windows 11 Home() - 25H2 -26220.8894
Computer type
PC/Desktop
Manufacturer/Model
Banana Junior 5600-G Series
CPU
AMD Ryzen 5 5600G
Motherboard
Asus ROG Strix B550-F
Memory
G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 64GB 4x16
Graphics Card(s)
Nvidia geforce gtx titan x
Monitor(s) Displays
28" ASUS VP28U 4k
Screen Resolution
4K
Hard Drives
Primary SAMSUNG 970 EVO Plus
PSU
EVGA BQ 700w 80+ Bronze
Case
Zalman i3 NEO
Cooling
ARCTIC Freezer 7 X
Keyboard
Corsair
Mouse
Amazon Generic with Cord
Internet Speed
Download: 295.11 mbps Upload: 65.35 mbps T-Mobile Internet
Browser
Firefox and Edge
Antivirus
MS - Defender
Other Info
Speakers: Klipsch ProMedia 2.1
Hi,
Win-11 still messing up permissions on other drives

Made 2 folders on a hdd for system images on one win-11 pro x299 system

Tried to create an image to that hdd on a different win-11 pro machine z490 and reflect winpe failed with write error lol

@Brink hate to bother you but this is some weird rubbish win-11 is doing could you test this ?
Hdd formated mbr/ ntfs/ primary pretty basic

Rebuilt mbr.... and made the folders on win-7 and system image successful lol
 

My Computer My Computer

At a glance

Win-7-10-11Pro's10900k & 9940x & 5930kTrident-Z Royal 4000c16 2x16gb & Trident-Z 36...Titan Xp & 1080ti FTW3 & evga 980ti gaming
OS
Win-7-10-11Pro's
Computer type
PC/Desktop
Manufacturer/Model
Acer 17" Nitro 7840sn/ 2x16gb 5600c40/ 4060/ stock 1tb-os/ 4tb sn850x
CPU
10900k & 9940x & 5930k
Motherboard
z490-Apex & x299-Apex & x99-Sabertooth
Memory
Trident-Z Royal 4000c16 2x16gb & Trident-Z 3600c16 4x8gb & 3200c14 4x8gb
Graphics Card(s)
Titan Xp & 1080ti FTW3 & evga 980ti gaming
Sound Card
Onboard Realtek x3
Monitor(s) Displays
1-AOC G2460PG 24"G-Sync 144Hz/ 2nd 1-ASUS VG248QE 24"/ 3rd LG 43" series
Screen Resolution
1920-1080 not sure what the t.v is besides 43" class scales from 1920-1080 perfectly
Hard Drives
2-WD-sn850x 4tb/ 970evo+500gb/ 980 pro 2tb.
PSU
1000p2 & 1200p2 & 850p2
Case
D450 x2 & 1 Test bench in cherry Entertainment center
Cooling
Custom water loops x3 with 2x mora 360mm rads only 980ti gaming air cooled
Keyboard
G710+x3
Mouse
Redragon x3
Internet Speed
xfinity gigabyte
Browser
Firefox
Antivirus
mbam pro
Hi,
Win-11 still messing up permissions on other drives

Made 2 folders on a hdd for system images on one win-11 pro x299 system

Tried to create an image to that hdd on a different win-11 pro machine z490 and reflect winpe failed with write error lol

@Brink hate to bother you but this is some weird rubbish win-11 is doing could you test this ?
Hdd formated mbr/ ntfs/ primary pretty basic

Rebuilt mbr.... and made the folders on win-7 and system image successful lol

Hey mate, :-)

Did you already check the permissions of the drive to make sure your account is listed with full control access rights?

 

My Computers My Computers

  • At a glance

    Windows 11 Pro for WorkstationsIntel i7-8700K 5 GHz64 GB (4x16GB) G.SKILL TridentZ RGB DDR4 3600...ASUS ROG-STRIX-GTX1080TI-O11G-GAMING (11GB GD...
    OS
    Windows 11 Pro for Workstations
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom self build
    CPU
    Intel i7-8700K 5 GHz
    Motherboard
    ASUS ROG Maximus XI Formula Z390
    Memory
    64 GB (4x16GB) G.SKILL TridentZ RGB DDR4 3600 MHz (F4-3600C18D-32GTZR)
    Graphics Card(s)
    ASUS ROG-STRIX-GTX1080TI-O11G-GAMING (11GB GDDR5X)
    Sound Card
    Integrated Digital Audio (S/PDIF)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    2 x Samsung Odyssey G75 27"
    Screen Resolution
    2560x1440
    Hard Drives
    1TB Samsung 990 PRO M.2,
    4TB Samsung 990 PRO M.2,
    TerraMaster F8 SSD Plus NAS
    PSU
    Seasonic Prime Titanium 850W
    Case
    Thermaltake Core P3 wall mounted
    Cooling
    Corsair Hydro H115i
    Keyboard
    Amazon Basics Wired Full Keyboard MD005
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master 4
    Internet Speed
    2 Gbps Download and 100 Mbps Upload
    Browser
    Chrome and Edge
    Antivirus
    Microsoft Defender
    Other Info
    Logitech Z625 speaker system,
    Logitech BRIO 4K Pro webcam,
    HP Color LaserJet Pro MFP M477fdn,
    CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD
    Galaxy S23 Plus phone
  • At a glance

    Windows 11 ProSnapdragon X Elite (12 core) 3.42 GHz16 GB LPDDR5x-7467 MHz
    Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Surface Laptop 7 Copilot+ PC
    CPU
    Snapdragon X Elite (12 core) 3.42 GHz
    Memory
    16 GB LPDDR5x-7467 MHz
    Monitor(s) Displays
    15" HDR
    Screen Resolution
    2496 x 1664
    Hard Drives
    1 TB SSD
    Internet Speed
    Wi-Fi 7 and Bluetooth 5.4
    Browser
    Chrome and Edge
    Antivirus
    Microsoft Defender
Here's another thing... (Not a rant!!! Just an observation.) ;)

There's all these media elements scattered and buried deep throughout the OS and applications...

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000147.png

... yet, the only one I can trigger via a mouse button, they take away!?!?!? :unsure:

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My Computers My Computers

  • At a glance

    Windows 11 Pro
    OS
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    ASUS ROG Strix
  • At a glance

    Windows 11 Pro
    Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    ASUS VivoBook
  • ASUS VivoBook 'Lite' ~ Windows 11 Home
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