Why Has No One Mentioned The Prospect Of Dumping Millions Of Incompatible Machines ?

plat · Jul 30, 2021

I find it highly ironic that Microsoft donates my "abundant" Bing points (maybe is 10 cents?) to the Nature Conservancy yet is potentially condemning millions of devices to the Earth via this Windows 11 thing.

I don't even use Bing, not even by accident.

Superfly · Jul 30, 2021

plat said:
I find it highly ironic that Microsoft donates my "abundant" Bing points (maybe is 10 cents?) to the Nature Conservancy yet is potentially condemning millions of devices to the Earth via this Windows 11 thing.

I don't even use Bing, not even by accident.

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With respect (and I'm not an MS fanboy as such just being arbitrary ) MS has not forced anyone to dump anything... many are are still using WinXP etc... Where's there's a will, there's a way.

CountMike · Jul 30, 2021

plat said:
I find it highly ironic that Microsoft donates my "abundant" Bing points (maybe is 10 cents?) to the Nature Conservancy yet is potentially condemning millions of devices to the Earth via this Windows 11 thing.

I don't even use Bing, not even by accident.

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MS is not "potentially condemning" anything any more than with other major changes in the past. They are just adjusting to ewer faster IT tech changes. Only sheet spoiled super rich brats may even think of throwing perfectly good PC in the actual garbage without repurposing it in some way just to run W11, Countless other possibilities exist.
To say nothing about millions of people resisting any change unless they have to. Just remember resistance to W8 and W10 introduction. W10 will be what ? 11 years old when they will be declared obsolete. By that time PCs that were made at that time will be very obsolete too.
So no, I can't see any "Mass PC extinction" just because of W11.

Superfly · Jul 30, 2021

CountMike said:
MS is not "potentially condemning" anything any more than with other major changes in the past. They are just adjusting to ewer faster IT tech changes. Only sheet spoiled super rich brats may even think of throwing perfectly good PC in the actual garbage without repurposing it in some way just to run W11, Countless other possibilities exist.
To say nothing about millions of people resisting any change unless they have to. Just remember resistance to W8 and W10 introduction. W10 will be what ? 11 years old when they will be declared obsolete. By that time PCs that were made at that time will be very obsolete too.
So no, I can't see any "Mass PC extinction" just because of W11.

I agree. We move on - that's tech.

plat · Jul 30, 2021

Superfly said:
With respect (and I'm not an MS fanboy as such just being arbitrary ) MS has not forced anyone to dump anything.

CountMike said:
MS is not "potentially condemning" anything any more than with other major changes in the past. They are just adjusting to ewer faster IT tech changes. Only sheet spoiled super rich brats may even think of throwing perfectly good PC in the actual garbage without repurposing it in some way just to run W11,

Wow, getting "irked" at someone who is strictly deploring the potential increase in landfill? That's what this thread is asking, after all, that's what it's about. The OP has a legit concern and voiced it. So am I. How do you know this hasn't already happened multiple times, in multiple locations? I've read several instances of where it, in fact, already has.

We live in a throw-away disposeable society. What you think and do in your daily life sure as heck doesn't carry over to Joe Shmo over there.

I "invite" you to visit Central Brooklyn for a day. Then you might get a dim idea of what pollution really is. People have differing perspectives, shaped by their environments. I respect them all even if I don't agree. And no amount of strident fanboyism will change that.

The ironic meaning of my initial post never got to the surface it seems. Only over-defense of Microsoft--which never needs anyone fighting its battles so it's a waste of one's precious time. Bye.

CountMike · Jul 30, 2021

plat said:
Wow, getting "irked" at someone who is strictly deploring the potential increase in landfill? That's what this thread is asking, after all, that's what it's about. The OP has a legit concern and voiced it. So am I. How do you know this hasn't already happened multiple times, in multiple locations? I've read several instances of where it, in fact, already has.

We live in a throw-away disposeable society. What you think and do in your daily life sure as heck doesn't carry over to Joe Shmo over there.

I "invite" you to visit Central Brooklyn for a day. Then you might get a dim idea of what pollution really is. People have differing perspectives, shaped by their environments. I respect them all even if I don't agree. And no amount of strident fanboyism will change that.

The ironic meaning of my initial post never got to the surface it seems. Only over-defense of Microsoft--which never needs anyone fighting its battles so it's a waste of one's precious time. Bye.

I simply can't believe that something like W11 would suddenly start filling landfills. it doesn't compute.
Pollution ? I believe you, Belgrade where I live was pronounced most air polluted city in the world on several days last winter. (80% of electricity is produces with coal. Garbage disposal is also bad, very few proper garbage sites and landfills. Yet you would be highly pressed to find any PCs or parts thereof. There are few junk yards that recycle high tech but you can's find anything younger than 2o years old.

Superfly · Jul 30, 2021

plat said:
Wow, getting "irked" at someone who is strictly deploring the potential increase in landfill? That's what this thread is asking, after all, that's what it's about. The OP has a legit concern and voiced it. So am I. How do you know this hasn't already happened multiple times, in multiple locations? I've read several instances of where it, in fact, already has.

We live in a throw-away disposeable society. What you think and do in your daily life sure as heck doesn't carry over to Joe Shmo over there.

I "invite" you to visit Central Brooklyn for a day. Then you might get a dim idea of what pollution really is. People have differing perspectives, shaped by their environments. I respect them all even if I don't agree. And no amount of strident fanboyism will change that.

The ironic meaning of my initial post never got to the surface it seems. Only over-defense of Microsoft--which never needs anyone fighting its battles so it's a waste of one's precious time. Bye.

C'mon.. no disagreement on the disposable issue... point is re-purposing - technology by nature is disposable at a point in time. We move on - unless we all still drive Model T? (That's a joke BTW)

CountMike · Jul 30, 2021

Superfly said:
C'mon.. no disagreement on the disposable issue... point is re-purposing - technology by nature is disposable at a point in time. We move on - unless we all still drive Model T? (That's a joke BTW)

Oh, I would love to have Model T.

Superfly · Jul 30, 2021

CountMike said:
Oh, I would love to have Model T.

Twin-turbo .. OK!

Superfly · Jul 30, 2021

CountMike said:
Oh, I would love to have Model T.

Just wondering .. what's the opposite of Fast 'n Furious (which I obviously am ..LOL)

Slow 'n Steady is just not cool . Maybe Cool 'n Calm?

CountMike · Jul 30, 2021

Superfly said:
Just wondering .. what's the opposite of Fast 'n Furious (which I obviously am ..LOL)

Slow 'n Steady is just not cool . Maybe Cool 'n Calm?

Cool 'n Calm is fine, I suddenly became one when I retired.

tinmar49 · Jul 30, 2021

Maybe this will result in a greater number of older, but functional pc's being donated to charities who send them to developing countries.

Reddwebdev · Jul 30, 2021

... and it (Linux) will run on 30 years old PC.

I'd like to see that.

Even Linux assumes a built in obsolescence with it's writes. Single thread, single core processors are the stuff of the old west. No one writes for these any more, just like no one writes for 32bit. Sure, some 32bit stuff is still around, and even Microsoft might make limited allowances for it, but backward compatibility is quickly becoming a thing of the past.

Linux no longer writes for, or supports 32bit. Installing 32bit Linux on a box will give you the same end result that installing Windows XP will. It's all non-supported.

We've all had these very same conversations before. 16bit going to 32bit, going to 64bit -- The wailing and gnashing of teeth can always be heard every time the industry chooses to advance.

Hardware advances are usually always put into place long before the software companies make the switch. TPM 2.0 came first, and now Microsoft is following suit. Microsoft doesn't push the obsolescence half as much as the chip makers and hardware manufacturers do.

I paid quite a bit of money at the time for my Commodore 64 and not a single piece of software written today will work on it ... Back in the day it was the Bees Knees. I'd love to get my hands on some front locking hubs for my 1972 Chevy 4x4 flatbed truck, but I can't, so there it sits, just like my Commodore 64 does.

Microsoft writing beyond TPM 1.2 is sort of a boon for me at least. I can and do market Linux boxes on a daily basis, so I'm not too worried.

Wynona · Jul 30, 2021

plat said:
I find it highly ironic that Microsoft donates my "abundant" Bing points (maybe is 10 cents?) to the Nature Conservancy yet is potentially condemning millions of devices to the Earth via this Windows 11 thing.

I don't even use Bing, not even by accident.

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With all due respect, Microsoft is not condemning millions of devices . . .

1. I donate my old equipment to local charity centers.
2. There are charities that collect and donate equipment that's still usable for lower income families.
3. Other charities collect and donate equipment that's still usable to third world countries.
4. There are companies that collect equipment, refurbish it, and sell it.

And the list of repurposing goes on.

Prohibited in Landfills:
Discarded computer equipment (includes laptops, desktops, monitors, video displays, printers, scanners, and printer-scanner-fax combos. As of March 16, 2015, mice and keyboards are no longer covered devices and are not covered by the landfill ban).

Source: NC DEQ: Items Banned from Disposal in Landfills

I think the above is for North Carolina, but I know the state of Arkansas bans the same.

Here's a list state by state:

Items Banned from Disposal in Landfills | NC DEQ

No person shall knowingly dispose of the following solid wastes in landfills: Used oil. Yard trash, except in landfills approved for the disposal of yard trash

deq.nc.gov

So, I think this should settle the matter of Microsoft dumping millions of Windows 11 incompatible machines. It's just not very likely to happen.

clam1952 · Jul 30, 2021

Reddwebdev said:
Linux no longer writes for, or supports 32bit. Installing 32bit Linux on a box will give you the same end result that installing Windows XP will. It's all non-supported.

Linux Mint have a 32 bit fork which is relatively new, I've got it on a ancient Laptop.

There are actually 14 Linux distros still supporting 32 bit for geriatric PCs in addition to their 64 bit versions, it's far from dead yet.

CountMike · Jul 30, 2021

clam1952 said:
Linux Mint have a 32 bit fork which is relatively new, I've got it on a ancient Laptop.

There are actually 14 Linux distros still supporting 32 bit for geriatric PCs in addition to their 64 bit versions, it's far from dead yet.

I tried several Linux ditros before returning Win XP (sp3) to my ancient, single core Celeron laptop because XP worked and is still working best

Winuser · Jul 30, 2021

plat said:
I find it highly ironic that Microsoft donates my "abundant" Bing points (maybe is 10 cents?) to the Nature Conservancy yet is potentially condemning millions of devices to the Earth via this Windows 11 thing.

I don't even use Bing, not even by accident.

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Why don't we complain about flat screen tv's. I work in public works and you would be amazed at the number of working cathode-ray tube TV's we get. Why did they get replaced? The people wanted big screen high def tv's. And to this day we still get a large number of old computers that came with Windows XP installed.

Zardoc · Jul 30, 2021

Superfly said:
With respect (and I'm not an MS fanboy as such just being arbitrary ) MS has not forced anyone to dump anything... many are are still using WinXP etc... Where's there's a will, there's a way.

I agree 100%, except with windows 11 installing a new O/S on old machines will stop right then and there unlike 10 and older O/S's could be installed on old machines when they came out (10 being the best of them for compatibility). I won't repeat what I said in another post but the subject is the same except the title is different.

BunnyJ · Jul 30, 2021

plat said:
Wow, getting "irked" at someone who is strictly deploring the potential increase in landfill? That's what this thread is asking, after all, that's what it's about. The OP has a legit concern and voiced it. So am I. How do you know this hasn't already happened multiple times, in multiple locations? I've read several instances of where it, in fact, already has.

We live in a throw-away disposeable society. What you think and do in your daily life sure as heck doesn't carry over to Joe Shmo over there.

I "invite" you to visit Central Brooklyn for a day. Then you might get a dim idea of what pollution really is. People have differing perspectives, shaped by their environments. I respect them all even if I don't agree. And no amount of strident fanboyism will change that.

The ironic meaning of my initial post never got to the surface it seems. Only over-defense of Microsoft--which never needs anyone fighting its battles so it's a waste of one's precious time. Bye.

Well, bye.