Why Windows 11 is a Big Deal to Me

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I must be pretty old as far as I can recall I have just about touched or used a computer with just about all the windows versions up to this point lol.
 

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I started way before Windows. My first was a TI 99-4/A, whilst my neighbor across the street had a commodore 64, my best friend in junior high had a CoCo and my neighbor down the road had a pair of HeathKits.

I had all sorts of exposure to early non Microsoft / non Apple stuff.

I moved to a Tandy 1000 EX (built like a typewrite it was lol - one internal 360K drive, had a second external 360K drive and a 9pin DM Printer). It came with Tandy DOS 2.11 that I quickly moved off of and onto MS DOS 3.1 then 3.2.

Oh, also, it had no hard drive. Nor even what they called them back then, no hard card.

Fun times!
 

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What is a big deal is that W11 has removed a lot of useful W10 options, and we now have to do more clicks to find things that before in W10. So it is HARDER to use than Windows 10.

It is bad enough that it is ergonomically inferior (e.g. power off button is a long way from start button, more clicks to do something), but actually reducing functionality is totally unacceptable.

I have yet to see a single feature that makes me think "that is a good improvement".

People had come round to the way of thinking about W10 being last version, with the new WSAS model.

Where was the driver to change to gui, and renege on their statements that W10 was to be last version?

In reality, most of Windows sales revenue comes from sales of pcs with (oem) Windows licences included. Sales of actual full versions is relatively small by comparison.

It is totally obvious the driver for Windows 11 is only to sell new hardware (hence increasing oem revenue).

So don't kid yourselves MS introduced these hardware changes because they passionately believe it will make the OS more secure.

There was security justification to moving people from W7 to W10, but there is virtually no justification to moving people to W11.

The point is they have now introduced a major user divisive policy.

If you are rich enough to buy a new pc, we will look after you.

If not, then tough sh#t.

So in summary, dumbed down OS and you have to throw away perfectly useful pcs to get it if they do not have the specs.

I know people will say there are ways around the hardware specs issues but the fact is majority of domestic users would not remotely understand how to use regedit.

I am wondering how companies are reacting - it means they may have to replace a lot of pcs. I have worked in many offices and general policy is change pc when it craps out. Only the majors like oil companies have a regular "refresh" policy. I bet there are millions of pcs out in offices that do not meet new specs.

I always trusted MS but no longer.
 

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Hi folks

maybe they miss these :
What is a big deal is that W11 has removed a lot of useful W10 options, and we now have to do more clicks to find things that before in W10. So it is HARDER to use than Windows 10.

It is bad enough that it is ergonomically inferior (e.g. power off button is a long way from start button, more clicks to do something), but actually reducing functionality is totally unacceptable.

I have yet to see a single feature that makes me think "that is a good improvement".

People had come round to the way of thinking about W10 being last version, with the new WSAS model.

Where was the driver to change to gui, and renege on their statements that W10 was to be last version?

In reality, most of Windows sales revenue comes from sales of pcs with (oem) Windows licences included. Sales of actual full versions is relatively small by comparison.

It is totally obvious the driver for Windows 11 is only to sell new hardware (hence increasing oem revenue).

So don't kid yourselves MS introduced these hardware changes because they passionately believe it will make the OS more secure.

There was security justification to moving people from W7 to W10, but there is virtually no justification to moving people to W11.

The point is they have now introduced a major user divisive policy.

If you are rich enough to buy a new pc, we will look after you.

If not, then tough sh#t.

So in summary, dumbed down OS and you have to throw away perfectly useful pcs to get it if they do not have the specs.

I know people will say there are ways around the hardware specs issues but the fact is majority of domestic users would not remotely understand how to use regedit.

I am wondering how companies are reacting - it means they may have to replace a lot of pcs. I have worked in many offices and general policy is change pc when it craps out. Only the majors like oil companies have a regular "refresh" policy. I bet there are millions of pcs out in offices that do not meet new specs.

I always trusted MS but no longer.
I think that various people on these boards have shown that you can run W11 quite decently one way or another even on old BIOS / MBR computers so in general I don't think if the tactic is to make people buy more hardware that it's going to work. Typical users barely do a quarter of the things people on these boards do . Most just want to switch on and do typical "Officy" things, a bit of email, some banking and e-commerce - e.g ordering from Amazon etc.

That said if you want to build your own machine there are some great deals around now.

When I see of people readily splashing out over 1200 USD / EUR for a new smart phone - then that's where I get a bit fazed -- even if people don't pay up front but take out a monthly contract -- the newest phones are all of the order of 1200 USD or more which the phone companies want to sell you with a whopping 25% interest apart from the phone connection charges.

I notice all the UK phone companies have despite promising free roaming within the EU / EEA despite Brexit have now introduced these charges again -- so I wouldn't put Ms at the top of the hate list -- can one trust ANY large corporation these days to keep its word -- sad but true.

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OSs are like grocery stores, stay in one and you find your goodies blindfolded. Sure, after a move you will have to initially look for your goodies, so what? I'm happy, but I'm also not looking for exotic groceries, I can't digest them :eek:
 

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I have yet to see a single feature that makes me think "that is a good improvement"....
There is just the one that I regard as a huge improvement. A Settings app that (finally) has a logical hierarchical structure that you can drill down through to find the setting you are looking for. A nice touch is that you can go back up to any part the tree structure by clicking on the 'breadcrumb' title, such as clicking on WiFi here.

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....you have to throw away perfectly useful pcs to get it if they do not have the specs.

It is true that only newer PCs stand any chance of meeting the specs, but starting in 2018 some already meet the specs, with the proportion of those that do increasing in subsequent years.

When 11 was released to Insiders none of my current machines met the specs. I scoured the second hand market for suitable laptops before buying one to become my System One below, the lowest priced one I found was £160.

I'm not intending to 'throw away' any of my others until at least 2025 when W10 reaches end of support. I'm hoping that the improved Settings app will make it's way into W10 in a Feature Update, if not 21H2 then maybe 22H1...
 

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Hi folks

maybe they miss these :

I think that various people on these boards have shown that you can run W11 quite decently one way or another even on old BIOS / MBR computers so in general I don't think if the tactic is to make people buy more hardware that it's going to work. Typical users barely do a quarter of the things people on these boards do . Most just want to switch on and do typical "Officy" things, a bit of email, some banking and e-commerce - e.g ordering from Amazon etc.

That said if you want to build your own machine there are some great deals around now.

When I see of people readily splashing out over 1200 USD / EUR for a new smart phone - then that's where I get a bit fazed -- even if people don't pay up front but take out a monthly contract -- the newest phones are all of the order of 1200 USD or more which the phone companies want to sell you with a whopping 25% interest apart from the phone connection charges.

I notice all the UK phone companies have despite promising free roaming within the EU / EEA despite Brexit have now introduced these charges again -- so I wouldn't put Ms at the top of the hate list -- can one trust ANY large corporation these days to keep its word -- sad but true.

Cheers
jimbo
I would be surprised it was as low as 75% of typical users, I reckon it is near 90%.

Re. Brexit - the ****ing idiots who voted for it are now complaining because prices are going up, and shop shelves are empty!
 

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I would be surprised it was as low as 75% of typical users, I reckon it is near 90%.

Re. Brexit - the ****ing idiots who voted for it are now complaining because prices are going up, and shop shelves are empty!

But the Brexit supporters have their sovereignty. Isn't that more important than anything else?;)
 

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Once upon a time, we classified programs as either applications or utilities. For a long time, it was easy to distinguish them from each other: an application (e.g., Word) made it possible for you to do something. A utility (e.g., Defragger) did something for you. You couldn't create anything with a utility. You couldn't get an application to do anything unless you interacted with it.

That distinction became blurred before long, but those of us who remember it probably still think of a calculator as a utility, but Power Shell as an application.
Actually, it's the other way around. They were programs (or computer programs) first, which later became known as applications. When I worked at a chemical plant, I used a program called Ami Pro. I also used a program called Word Star. We had specific programs to gauge the amount of gasoline created; maintenance of the Coker Unit, etc. From Lyondell, I moved to a Philips chemical plant where I used a program to record "recipes" for the various chemical products. Throughout most of my working life, I used Programs.

Programs have now become applications, and the line has totally blurred between programs/applications and utilities.
 

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It is bad enough that it is ergonomically inferior (e.g. power off button is a long way from start button, more clicks to do something), but actually reducing functionality is totally unacceptable.
I don't find the power button to be a pain to get to. Hit start, and it's one click to the right. Or press Win+X+u+u. Or press Windows, down arrow and right arrow. Or CTRL-ALT-DEL and it's in the lower right corner.


If you are rich enough to buy a new pc, we will look after you.

If not, then tough sh#t.
That seems a bit harsh. Apple introduces new OS updates and such and decides whey they are no longer going to support a certain generation. If you are on an iPhone 6s, you may just not get the new version of the iPhone software.

Windows 10 isn't going anywhere for 4 more years. And nobody is really going to force you to stop using it after 4 more years if you wish to do so. Windows 11 is an option that you can choose to make.

There are certainly some things that I like in 11. The search is way better. The multiple desktop experience is better. The new priority levels make the OS seem snappier. Windows updates seem to be installing more quickly in my experience. While I haven't been able to run it on a laptop, waking from sleep is supposed to be much improved. That's always something that has been WAYYYYYYY better in the MacOS world for as long as I can remember.

So in summary, dumbed down OS and you have to throw away perfectly useful pcs to get it if they do not have the specs.
Maybe in 4 years or so when Windows 10 no longer is updated. or like you said, maybe workarounds will be eaiser and people will figure out a way to get on 11 if they feel they really need it. Lot's of people just buy a new PC to get a new OS anyway, so this won't be too uncommon for an average joe.
 

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I don't find the power button to be a pain to get to. Hit start, and it's one click to the right. Or press Win+X+u+u. Or press Windows, down arrow and right arrow. Or CTRL-ALT-DEL and it's in the lower right corner.



That seems a bit harsh. Apple introduces new OS updates and such and decides whey they are no longer going to support a certain generation. If you are on an iPhone 6s, you may just not get the new version of the iPhone software.

Windows 10 isn't going anywhere for 4 more years. And nobody is really going to force you to stop using it after 4 more years if you wish to do so. Windows 11 is an option that you can choose to make.

There are certainly some things that I like in 11. The search is way better. The multiple desktop experience is better. The new priority levels make the OS seem snappier. Windows updates seem to be installing more quickly in my experience. While I haven't been able to run it on a laptop, waking from sleep is supposed to be much improved. That's always something that has been WAYYYYYYY better in the MacOS world for as long as I can remember.


Maybe in 4 years or so when Windows 10 no longer is updated. or like you said, maybe workarounds will be eaiser and people will figure out a way to get on 11 if they feel they really need it. Lot's of people just buy a new PC to get a new OS anyway, so this won't be too uncommon for an average joe.
My point is that W11 is all about workarounds. There was no reason to REMOVE features. I know all these workarounds but I am rooting for the silent masses out there who really will not know what to do.

Also, out there, there are lots of people on older machines on poorer countries, elderly etc. who cannot afford to upgrade. Will MS look after them - I think not.

It is an arrogant assumption to believe all users can afford to upgrade in 4 years time. Many have perfectly adequate pcs for their needs.

MS's attittude is 'Hey, we're not a charity' which is true but remember all those globe trotting PR visits by Dona (architect of present dumbing down culture) to various 3rd world countries to show MS was caring - such hypocrisy!
 

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Like i said, after 10 is EOL, i bet some people just keep right on using it. And we haven't seen for sure what workarounds would be necessary to install 11 on non supported hardware...so until we know for sure that people won't be able to move forward, it's just speculation.

Lot's of standard user people have moved away form laptops/pc's anyway, in favor of smartphones and tablets. And 4 years from now, todays perfectly adequate PC's might be less appropriate as times do change. And if we get to that point, and security updates are their #1 priority, and they don't have the means to upgrade the machine, they could always move over to some type of Linux distro which is supported. Those are getting better and better and easy to use. Give em 4 years and we might have something far easier than we have today.

I'd rather see the OS's and software evolve and get better, and not be strapped down to having to do it the way legacy systems did. And it does't require super expensive gear, just more modern gear. I remember going from 16 bit to 32 bit and then OMG...64bit. People were just convinced that when things truly went 64bit they would scrap their computers and just do something else. Well here we are, happily cranking away in a 64bit world.
 

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One can always find extreme examples of Windows usage, like 50% of desktops in Armenia run XP Desktop Windows Version Market Share Armenia | Statcounter Global Stats

On the other side of the spectrum is the Office 365 crowd, cohesively held together by a collection of subscription-based and hence always up-to-date apps for best interworking among themselves. Perhaps that's the reason why it was rebranded Microsoft 365.
 

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Well.. 11 is nice but I keep having an issue with my setup. When I cold boot the system there are times when my D drive shows up as a CD drive and it's an HDD. So.. I'm back using 10 for now.
 

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The thing is - no one is forcing you to use anything or buy anything.

Anyone who says otherwise is misrepresenting the facts.

Having said that - will people assume they need a new PC because Windows 11 is coming and they think they are going to be left out in the cold? Yes. As noted already in this thread more than once - people are stupid. Rather than trying to analyze a given data set to make a decision for themselves, they prefer to let others make decisions for them so they can foxus more on other things. As long as that mentality exists, corporations and other large, policy-making entities will ALWAYS take advantage of these people with this mentality to fleece them of their money.

But make no mistake - Microsoft is not making you install Windows 11 on Oct 5. Neither are you forced to go to Best Buy or any other retailer and buy a new PC. And if you complain that you are being forced to, you're flat out wrong.
 

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Well.. 11 is nice but I keep having an issue with my setup. When I cold boot the system there are times when my D drive shows up as a CD drive and it's an HDD. So.. I'm back using 10 for now.
Wow, that's a weird symptom. Just out of curiosity, was that a clean Win 11 install or an upgrade over 10?
 

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Wow, that's a weird symptom. Just out of curiosity, was that a clean Win 11 install or an upgrade over 10?
Both.. clean and upgrade. I installed 10 and did a in place upgrade. I'll test things out to see if I can find the issue.

Edit.. I just did a cold start and left it sit for 10 minutes.. no issues with the D drive. I suspect the issue was caused by a bat file I use to shutdown Firefox when I play music at night. I have one version that shuts-down the PC. That might be causing an issue.

My plan is not to use the version with the shutdown and see how things go.
 
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Well.. 11 is nice but I keep having an issue with my setup. When I cold boot the system there are times when my D drive shows up as a CD drive and it's an HDD. So.. I'm back using 10 for now.
That's very odd, I take it there isn't a CD/DVD drive connected?

I can understand it if there was and there was an intermittent issue with the D drive not getting detected and the DVD possibly defaulting to D.
 

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That's very odd, I take it there isn't a CD/DVD drive connected?

I can understand it if there was and there was an intermittent issue with the D drive not getting detected and the DVD possibly defaulting to D.
I don't have a CD/DVD drive anymore so it's very odd. I suspect I know what the issue is and I'll just not shutdown the PC with the bat file I use to also shutdown Firefox. I use this as a sleep timer so I can play music at night and shut down Firefox after say, an hour.
 

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