Why Windows 11 is a Big Deal to Me

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Many interesting words, but I'm still sitting here, after reading all that, with my original question......
Why would I or any PC user want or need Windows 11?

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I have the hardware that meets the requirements. It's free. I can go back to Windows 10 if I want to. So, for me, the question is why would I NOT want Windows 11? It would be like a bartender saying, "We got this new beer, or whiskey. Want a free sample?"
 

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    Homebuilt
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 7 3800XT
    Motherboard
    ASUS ROG Crosshair VII Hero (WiFi)
    Memory
    32GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Education
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    Laptop
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    Dell Inspiron 7773
    CPU
    Intel i7-8550U
    Memory
    32GB
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    Nvidia Geforce MX150
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    Realtek
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    17"
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    1920 x 1080
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    Toshiba 512GB NVMe SSD
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Windows 11 is not even out yet officially unless you work for microsoft or are a tester or something.
True. It is not out in the completed, final, released form yet. However, it is available to everyone for testing purposes and is clearly very far along already. So for those interested in testing it and evaluating whether it might be something worth considering, it might be worth their time to test.

Even if you don't plan to run it on any current machines, it might be worth evaluating to see if you want to consider a new machine that has Windows 11 once realized.

In my case, it helped me to identify an issue with a software product. I was able to provide some very good specific feedback to the maker of the software and this may help them to have a fixed version ready at the time of release.

I also have a program that I have written which I am testing with Win 11 and have a tweaked version made only for Windows 11. Testing will allow me to have a fully customized version ready on the very day 11 releases.
 

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  • Operating System
    Windows 11 21H2
    Computer type
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    Manufacturer/Model
    Home Built
    CPU
    Intel i7-11700K
    Motherboard
    ASUS Prime Z590-A
    Memory
    128GB Crucial Ballistix 3200MHz DRAM
    Graphics Card(s)
    No GPU - CPU graphics only (for now)
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    Realtek (on motherboard)
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    HP Envy 32
    Screen Resolution
    2560 x 1440
    Hard Drives
    1 x 1TB NVMe Gen 4 x 4 SSD
    1 x 2TB NVMe Gen 3 x 4 SSD
    2 x 512GB 2.5" SSDs
    2 x 8TB HD
    PSU
    Corsair HX850i
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    Corsair iCue 5000X RGB
    Cooling
    Noctua NH-D15 chromax.black cooler + 10 case fans
    Keyboard
    CODE backlit mechanical keyboard
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    Logitech MX Master 3
    Internet Speed
    300Mb down / 20Mb up
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    Chromium Edge
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
    Other Info
    Additional options installed:
    WiFi 6E PCIe adapter
    ASUS ThunderboltEX 4 PCIe adapter
  • Operating System
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    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP Spectre x360 15-BL012DX
    CPU
    Intel i7-7500U
    Memory
    32GB
    Graphics card(s)
    Dual Intel HD 620 and Nvidia GeForce 940MX
    Sound Card
    Built-in Realtek HD Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    4k 15-inch
    Screen Resolution
    4k (3840 x 2160)
    Hard Drives
    1TB Seagate FireCuda 510 NVMe SSD
    Internet Speed
    300Mb down / 20Mb up
    Browser
    Chromium Edge
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
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    RAM Upgraded from 16GB to 32GB WiFi Upgraded from WiFi 5 to WiFi 6 SSD upgraded from 512GB NVMe SSD to 1TB Seagate FireCuda 510 NVMe SSD

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Windows 11 is not even out yet officially unless you work for microsoft or are a tester or something.
That's part of the purpose for the group.. it's for testers, at the moment.
 

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    Manufacturer/Model
    Banna Junior 7K - X Series
    CPU
    Ryzen 7 2700X
    Motherboard
    Asus Crosshair VII Hero, X470
    Memory
    Gskill 32GB, 16GBX2 PC3000
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    GeForce GTX TITAN X 12GB
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    Realtek (R) Audio
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    Viotek 32" Curved, ViewSonic 27"
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    1080P
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    Primary Samsung 256 SSD
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    EVGA BQ 700w 80+ Bronze
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    NZXT 510
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    Stock AMD cooler
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    Amazon Generic with Cord
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True. It is not out in the completed, final, released form yet. However, it is available to everyone for testing purposes and is clearly very far along already. So for those interested in testing it and evaluating whether it might be something worth considering, it might be worth their time to test.

Even if you don't plan to run it on any current machines, it might be worth evaluating to see if you want to consider a new machine that has Windows 11 once realized.

In my case, it helped me to identify an issue with a software product. I was able to provide some very good specific feedback to the maker of the software and this may help them to have a fixed version ready at the time of release.

I also have a program that I have written which I am testing with Win 11 and have a tweaked version made only for Windows 11. Testing will allow me to have a fully customized version ready on the very day 11 releases.
Well put. I wonder when MS started the development of 11. To me it seems that by what they've accomplished it has been some time.
 

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    Windows 11 Home 21H2 22509.1011
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    Banna Junior 7K - X Series
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    Ryzen 7 2700X
    Motherboard
    Asus Crosshair VII Hero, X470
    Memory
    Gskill 32GB, 16GBX2 PC3000
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    GeForce GTX TITAN X 12GB
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    Realtek (R) Audio
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    Viotek 32" Curved, ViewSonic 27"
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    1080P
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    Primary Samsung 256 SSD
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They must have started quite some time ago as to me it seems ready for release or close to it. It could have been what was referred to as "Sun Valley" which was scrapped?? I like it .
 

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    Windows 11 Pro 22000.348
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    Digital Storm Velox
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    Intel Core i9-10940X
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    MSI X299 PRO (Intel X299 Chipset) (Up to 4x PCI-E Devices)
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They must have started quite some time ago as to me it seems ready for release or close to it. It could have been what was referred to as "Sun Valley" which was scrapped?? I like it .
Never heard of sun valley but I would love to see it. I have to say, I'm very impressed by the effort and work they accomplished with 11,. It's just amazing how they got it this far.
 

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    Windows 11 Home 21H2 22509.1011
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    Banna Junior 7K - X Series
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    Ryzen 7 2700X
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    Asus Crosshair VII Hero, X470
    Memory
    Gskill 32GB, 16GBX2 PC3000
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    GeForce GTX TITAN X 12GB
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    Realtek (R) Audio
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    Viotek 32" Curved, ViewSonic 27"
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    1080P
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    Primary Samsung 256 SSD
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    EVGA BQ 700w 80+ Bronze
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    NZXT 510
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    Stock AMD cooler
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    Amazon Generic with Cord
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I remember beta testing Windows 95 and having to download new builds overnight with a 33.6K phone modem.
Don't we all! I remember getting a package of humpty gazillion diskettes too. Either way, it took awhile to get going with a new version.
 

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  • Operating System
    Windows 11
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    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP Pavilion 590 p0xxx
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 5 2600
    Motherboard
    HP 8433 (AM4)
    Memory
    24 GB Dual-Channel @ 1330 MHz
    Graphics Card(s)
    4095 MB NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti (EVGA)
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    Realtek High Definition Audio
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    Monitor 1 - Acer 27" Monitor 2 Samsung 24"
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    Samsung SSD 860 EVO 500GB (SSD)
    Seagate ST1000DM003-1SB102
    Seagate BUP Slim SCSI Disk Device (SSD)
    Seagate BUP BL SCSI Disk Device
    PSU
    HP
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    HP
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    Standard
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    Logitech Wave K350
    Mouse
    Logitech M705
    Internet Speed
    50 mbps
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
    Other Info
    That's all Folks!
  • Operating System
    Windows 11
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    Manufacturer/Model
    HP
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    Intel Core i7 (10th gen) 10700
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    Intel
    Memory
    16 GB
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    Intel UHD Graphics 630
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    Built-in
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    Acer 27" & Samsung 24"
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    1920 x
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    SSD (512 GB)
    HDD (1 TB)
    Seagate
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    Intel i7 10th Generation
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    HP
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    HP/Intel?
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    Logitech M705
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    Logitech Wave K350
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    50 mbps
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    Firefox 90.2
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    Windows Defender
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Don't we all! I remember getting a package of humpty gazillion diskettes too. Either way, it took awhile to get going with a new version.
Oh yes.. I sure do. At work I had to install IBM OS/2 Ver 1.3 using 50+ disks,, that was a long day I wish I could have used OS/2 Warp.. it was on a CD. That was a really nice OS.
 

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    Windows 11 Home 21H2 22509.1011
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    PC/Desktop
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    Banna Junior 7K - X Series
    CPU
    Ryzen 7 2700X
    Motherboard
    Asus Crosshair VII Hero, X470
    Memory
    Gskill 32GB, 16GBX2 PC3000
    Graphics Card(s)
    GeForce GTX TITAN X 12GB
    Sound Card
    Realtek (R) Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Viotek 32" Curved, ViewSonic 27"
    Screen Resolution
    1080P
    Hard Drives
    Primary Samsung 256 SSD
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    EVGA BQ 700w 80+ Bronze
    Case
    NZXT 510
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    Stock AMD cooler
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    Corsair
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    Amazon Generic with Cord
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I have the hardware that meets the requirements. It's free. I can go back to Windows 10 if I want to. So, for me, the question is why would I NOT want Windows 11? It would be like a bartender saying, "We got this new beer, or whiskey. Want a free sample?"
Well said, sir.
 

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  • Operating System
    Windows 11
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    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP Pavilion 590 p0xxx
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 5 2600
    Motherboard
    HP 8433 (AM4)
    Memory
    24 GB Dual-Channel @ 1330 MHz
    Graphics Card(s)
    4095 MB NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti (EVGA)
    Sound Card
    Realtek High Definition Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Monitor 1 - Acer 27" Monitor 2 Samsung 24"
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    Samsung SSD 860 EVO 500GB (SSD)
    Seagate ST1000DM003-1SB102
    Seagate BUP Slim SCSI Disk Device (SSD)
    Seagate BUP BL SCSI Disk Device
    PSU
    HP
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    HP
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    Standard
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    Logitech Wave K350
    Mouse
    Logitech M705
    Internet Speed
    50 mbps
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
    Other Info
    That's all Folks!
  • Operating System
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    HP
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    Intel Core i7 (10th gen) 10700
    Motherboard
    Intel
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    16 GB
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    Intel UHD Graphics 630
    Sound Card
    Built-in
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    Acer 27" & Samsung 24"
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x
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    SSD (512 GB)
    HDD (1 TB)
    Seagate
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    Intel i7 10th Generation
    Case
    HP
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    HP/Intel?
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    Logitech M705
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    Logitech Wave K350
    Internet Speed
    50 mbps
    Browser
    Firefox 90.2
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    Windows Defender
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Many interesting words, but I'm still sitting here, after reading all that, with my original question......
Why would I or any PC user want or need Windows 11?

TM :cool:
Because it's there! I choose to test so I can learn all the ins and outs of the new OS, which will invariably replace what I now have, which is Windows 10.

So Windows 10 will last four more years. At this point, I'm pretty sure OEMs will discontinue updating/upgrading programs, utilities, and apps for Windows 10. They will probably need to concentrate on one or the other OS, and it seems to me since Windows 10 will be going into planned obsolescence, it would be a no brainer. Especially for the smaller OEMs.

Just my observations from being a beta tester since around 1985. We've gone from having to be invited to beta test Microsoft product to practically all beta testers being "fired" with the advent of Windows 8, to the current testing environment of a "wide open" Insider Preview of new product. It's out there for anyone to use if they have the correct hardware, so why not?

So, I say, "Why wouldn't anyone choose to install the Windows 11 Preview for testing purposes. It's going to be the next Windows operating system.

And, of course, there are some who will use Windows 11 as their daily OS . . . they're the ones who like to live dangerously.
 

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System One System Two

  • Operating System
    Windows 11
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    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP Pavilion 590 p0xxx
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 5 2600
    Motherboard
    HP 8433 (AM4)
    Memory
    24 GB Dual-Channel @ 1330 MHz
    Graphics Card(s)
    4095 MB NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti (EVGA)
    Sound Card
    Realtek High Definition Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Monitor 1 - Acer 27" Monitor 2 Samsung 24"
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    Samsung SSD 860 EVO 500GB (SSD)
    Seagate ST1000DM003-1SB102
    Seagate BUP Slim SCSI Disk Device (SSD)
    Seagate BUP BL SCSI Disk Device
    PSU
    HP
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    HP
    Cooling
    Standard
    Keyboard
    Logitech Wave K350
    Mouse
    Logitech M705
    Internet Speed
    50 mbps
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
    Other Info
    That's all Folks!
  • Operating System
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP
    CPU
    Intel Core i7 (10th gen) 10700
    Motherboard
    Intel
    Memory
    16 GB
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel UHD Graphics 630
    Sound Card
    Built-in
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Acer 27" & Samsung 24"
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x
    Hard Drives
    SSD (512 GB)
    HDD (1 TB)
    Seagate
    PSU
    Intel i7 10th Generation
    Case
    HP
    Cooling
    HP/Intel?
    Mouse
    Logitech M705
    Keyboard
    Logitech Wave K350
    Internet Speed
    50 mbps
    Browser
    Firefox 90.2
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
    Other Info
    Headphone/Microphone Combo
    SuperSpeed USB Type-A (4 on front)
    HP 3-in-One Card Readr
    SuperSpeed USB Type-C
    DVD Writer

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I use 11 as a daily and it just works for me. Do I live dangerously? Na.. it's based on Win 10 and that's a solid OS all the issues in 11 are being addressed so I feel comfortable in using it.
 

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    Windows 11 Home 21H2 22509.1011
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Banna Junior 7K - X Series
    CPU
    Ryzen 7 2700X
    Motherboard
    Asus Crosshair VII Hero, X470
    Memory
    Gskill 32GB, 16GBX2 PC3000
    Graphics Card(s)
    GeForce GTX TITAN X 12GB
    Sound Card
    Realtek (R) Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Viotek 32" Curved, ViewSonic 27"
    Screen Resolution
    1080P
    Hard Drives
    Primary Samsung 256 SSD
    PSU
    EVGA BQ 700w 80+ Bronze
    Case
    NZXT 510
    Cooling
    Stock AMD cooler
    Keyboard
    Corsair
    Mouse
    Amazon Generic with Cord
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Windows 11 is not even out yet officially unless you work for microsoft or are a tester or something.
The 'something' that anyone can try is to get the Dev build ISO through UUPDump. I'm 'none of the above' and certainly not signed up to the Insider program, but I have been testing the Insider builds on my machines since the first 22000.51 was released to the Dev channel.
 

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  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Home
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    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Aspire 3 A315-23
    CPU
    AMD Athlon Silver 3050U
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Radeon Graphics
    Monitor(s) Displays
    laptop screen
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768 native resolution, up to 2560x1440 with Radeon Virtual Super Resolution
    Hard Drives
    1TB HDD
    Browser
    Edge, Firefox
    Antivirus
    Defender
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    fully 'Windows 11 ready' laptop. Windows 10 C: partition migrated from my old unsupported 'main machine' then upgraded to 11. A test migration ran Insider builds for 2 months. When 11 was released on 5th October it was re-imaged back to 10 and was offered the upgrade in Windows Update on 20th October.


    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, Windows 11 Pro.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
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    Laptop
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    Dell Lattitude E4310
    CPU
    i5 M 520
    Motherboard
    0T6M8G
    Memory
    4GB
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768
    Hard Drives
    500GB HDD
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    unsupported machine: Legacy bios, MBR, TPM 1.2, upgraded from W10 to W11 using W10/W11 hybrid install media workaround.


    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, Windows 11 Pro.

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Im not a tester but ill probably get it when its ready if I am able too.
 

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    Windows 11
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    HP 17- Ca1065cl
    CPU
    Ryzen5 3500U
    Memory
    12GB
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    AMD Radeon Vega
    Screen Resolution
    1600 x 900
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    1TB
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    HP LAPTOP
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    HP LAPTOP
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    ELAN TOUCHPAD AND IHOME WIRELESS AND LOGICTECH CORDED
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    CHARTER SPECTRUM
    Browser
    MICROSOFT EDGE
    Antivirus
    NORTON 360
  • Operating System
    Windows 11
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    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    DELL Inspiron 5400 AIO
    CPU
    11th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-1165G7 @ 2.80GHz 2.80 GHz
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    16gb
    Graphics card(s)
    Nvidia MX330
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    23.8 touch screen
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    1TB PLUS SSD 256GB
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    DELL AIO
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    DELL WIRELESS
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I'm sitting here wondering what the conversation will look like in a few years when Windows goes full-on SaaS .. Microsoft Windows will actually be the "App" and users will be paying a monthly subscription in order to use it.
 

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    Linux Mint (Cinnamon) 20.2
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    HP
    CPU
    Core 2 Quad
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    12GB
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    Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Cedar [Radeon HD 5000/6000/7350/8350 Series] (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
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Who knows what its going to be like in a few more years. After Windows 11 Microsoft may decided to drop the name windows all together and it may just be called Microsoft OS.
 

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    Windows 11
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    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP 17- Ca1065cl
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    Ryzen5 3500U
    Memory
    12GB
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    AMD Radeon Vega
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    1600 x 900
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    1TB
    Case
    HP LAPTOP
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    HP LAPTOP
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Actually, no, not all programs are applications. If I write a program to solve a differential equation (or perform any other narrowly specialized task), then it's not an application. So all applications are programs, yes, but not all programs are applications.
Once upon a time, we classified programs as either applications or utilities. For a long time, it was easy to distinguish them from each other: an application (e.g., Word) made it possible for you to do something. A utility (e.g., Defragger) did something for you. You couldn't create anything with a utility. You couldn't get an application to do anything unless you interacted with it.

That distinction became blurred before long, but those of us who remember it probably still think of a calculator as a utility, but Power Shell as an application.
 

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Hi folks
While I love using Linux and if you've got the time / inclination it can be very rewarding too -- but for most people who want to just switch on a computer and run things - one has to hand it to Windows -- it can run almost any sort of hardware and almost any application one can throw at it straight from Boot.

I know some on these boards think I'm a Windows hater -- far from it --Windows made personal computing far more main stream than any other development and where where would a load of us be now without decent Internet browsers, e-commerce, video conferencing and the like.

OK a few mistakes Ms made on the way --e.g VISTA, and above all Win 8 but they are back on track again.

I actually like W11 ==> seems decently slick and does what I need it to do -- so why should I be agnostic on it. I'm not going to stop using Linux as my main desktop --it's a multi-user system with a load of huge advantages over a single user system like Windows -- but Windows runs very well in a VM these days. and certain programs e.g most of the Office Suite even if there are "Clones" out there still aren't a patch on the real thing.

So hopefully Windows will still be around eventually to celebrate it's 50th Birthday -- (and that's from a Linux "bigot" too !!)

Cheers
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OH Gawd! How many years has it been since "we" formatted 5.25" floppy disks, or even 3.5" floppies for that matter???
Modern PC's don't even come with floppy drives. Heck, most laptops don't even come with DVD drives.
So "pity the fool" who can't format a Flash Drive!
I recently cleaned out my 'shop' and threw away several 5.25" floppy drives (my last) , and a whole stack of 3.5" drives. I don't even have a PC with a floppy drive port on the motherboard anymore.
I can't begin to tell y'all how many floppy disks I've thrown away, all except my Commodore 64 disks.

So why is anyone even talking about that anymore? Cheech! Don't we have more pressing matters to attend to?
Like why has MS gotten to exclusive that it's newest OS won't install on PC's that run everything else from DOS to Win-10?
All ten of mine do!

TM :cool:
 

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OH Gawd! How many years has it been since "we" formatted 5.25" floppy disks, or even 3.5" floppies for that matter???
Modern PC's don't even come with floppy drives. Heck, most laptops don't even come with DVD drives.
So "pity the fool" who can't format a Flash Drive!
I recently cleaned out my 'shop' and threw away several 5.25" floppy drives (my last) , and a whole stack of 3.5" drives. I don't even have a PC with a floppy drive port on the motherboard anymore.
I can't begin to tell y'all how many floppy disks I've thrown away, all except my Commodore 64 disks.

So why is anyone even talking about that anymore? Cheech! Don't we have more pressing matters to attend to?
Like why has MS gotten to exclusive that it's newest OS won't install on PC's that run everything else from DOS to Win-10?
All ten of mine do!

TM :cool:
Wattup Wayne?! ;)
 

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Once upon a time, we classified programs as either applications or utilities. For a long time, it was easy to distinguish them from each other: an application (e.g., Word) made it possible for you to do something. A utility (e.g., Defragger) did something for you. You couldn't create anything with a utility. You couldn't get an application to do anything unless you interacted with it.

That distinction became blurred before long, but those of us who remember it probably still think of a calculator as a utility, but Power Shell as an application.

First of all, let me throw in that I'm not directing this at you, or at any one person, but replying to the whole concept of app vs application vs program.

The reason the lines became blurred because of the fact that utilities started giving us aspects of applications, while applications started giving us aspects of utilities. When the distinction between the two became too narrow, it was easier to lump them together into one catch phrase. If I had my way we'd still call all of the features of an OS that the user made use of regularly an application, and the stuff that they almost never use (but that advanced / power users tend to use more) utilities. Windows 11 refers to the 'utilities' built in to the OS now as "Windows Tools" to differentiate them (somewhat) from regular applications that the user will use more often.

And let's be clear, I didn't respond earlier because I didn't want to start an argument - but the saying a program to solve differential equations is not an application shows that different people have different definitions, and no matter what you say they are subjective, not written in stone. Because a program that solves differential equations, for example, can be used by a person to solve a differential equation, but on the flip side, it can just as easily be argued that it (the program) is doing it for you - at the heart of which is what the function of every single program is. Even if you write a simple, one line "Hello, World!" program, you're using the program to display output in the manner of your choosing - but at the same time, the program is doing something for you, displaying said output.

In the interest of not perpetuating that argument anymore than it already has, it's just easier to refer to programs that any given user has access to as an application - which I would have thought was pretty self-evident when I said all programs. But apparently not. And yet it spawned this discussion. Talk to an average user who doesn't know a thing about how programs are written, and just wants to accomplish a task, or multiple tasks, and you'll find a user who doesn't care about any of the other intricacies of software development - as long as it works for them. Similarly, referring to applications as programs and programs as application means absolutely nothing to them - they are one and the same. And with humans' need to make things shorter, it's only natural that application --> app. It's easier to say, it's easier to understand, and this need to have the masses onboard with jargon they are willing to use is nothing new - it's been going on for millennia.

OH Gawd! How many years has it been since "we" formatted 5.25" floppy disks, or even 3.5" floppies for that matter???
Modern PC's don't even come with floppy drives. Heck, most laptops don't even come with DVD drives.
So "pity the fool" who can't format a Flash Drive!
I recently cleaned out my 'shop' and threw away several 5.25" floppy drives (my last) , and a whole stack of 3.5" drives. I don't even have a PC with a floppy drive port on the motherboard anymore.
I can't begin to tell y'all how many floppy disks I've thrown away, all except my Commodore 64 disks.

So why is anyone even talking about that anymore? Cheech! Don't we have more pressing matters to attend to?
Like why has MS gotten to exclusive that it's newest OS won't install on PC's that run everything else from DOS to Win-10?
All ten of mine do!

TM :cool:

Lol. I'm old enough to have done all that and then some myself. Some people don't like to change, or, more appropriately, learn something a certain way and assume that is the only correct way of doing things. Sometimes that is applicable - other times it is not. I think I still have some 5.25s around, I definitely have 3.5s around, I've posted them enough times in various DMG sites. But the average user doesn't want to have to think about those kinds of things. They just want stuff to work - and leave all the rest of enthusiasts / advanced / power users like most of us in here.
 

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