Why Windows 11 is a Big Deal to Me

cereberus

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The thing is - no one is forcing you to use anything or buy anything.
No but MS scared people into moving from W7 to W10 citing W7 was no longer secure. So they were forcing people in a way. Wait till 2 years have passed and they will do same again.

The key difference is W10 would run on most pcs but the same is not so true for W11.

So yeah they will force people by scaring them and that is disingenuous.
 

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No but MS scared people into moving from W7 to W10 citing W7 was no longer secure. So they were forcing people in a way. Wait till 2 years have passed and they will do same again.
True, but my W7 machines are still getting definition and engine updates for their MSE AV through Windows Update and will continue to do so until January 2023, three years after W7 reached end of support. This is the one part of the paid-for ESU program that is free for all users, not just businesses that have subscribed for Extended Security Updates.

I suspect W10 will get a similar 3 years of ESU paid for support after 2024, and would expect Defender at least to continue getting its updates.
 

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    Windows 11 Home
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    Acer Aspire 3 A315-23
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    AMD Athlon Silver 3050U
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    8GB
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    fully 'Windows 11 ready' laptop. Windows 10 C: partition migrated from my old unsupported 'main machine' then upgraded to 11. A test migration ran Insider builds for 2 months. When 11 was released on 5th October it was re-imaged back to 10 and was offered the upgrade in Windows Update on 20th October.


    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, Windows 11 Pro.
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    unsupported machine: Legacy bios, MBR, TPM 1.2, upgraded from W10 to W11 using W10/W11 hybrid install media workaround.


    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, Windows 11 Pro.

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The real truth is sad to say it is that Microsoft like other technology companies doesn't really care about its users. They are all out just to make money . That is how it always is and always will be.
 

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The real truth is sad to say it is that Microsoft like other technology companies doesn't really care about its users. They are all out just to make money . That is how it always is and always will be.

The real truth is also the fact that Microsoft has never taken away your choice to look to other OS alternatives. This isn't to be flippant, but if you're going to make those claims, then you also have to accept the fact that you also have a choice.
 

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True, but my W7 machines are still getting definition and engine updates for their MSE AV through Windows Update and will continue to do so until January 2023, three years after W7 reached end of support. This is the one part of the paid-for ESU program that is free for all users, not just businesses that have subscribed for Extended Security Updates.

I suspect W10 will get a similar 3 years of ESU paid for support after 2024, and would expect Defender at least to continue getting its updates.
True but ESU is progressively expensive and I bet 99% of domestic consumers do not even know this exists, let alone be prepared to pay for it.
 

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No but MS scared people into moving from W7 to W10 citing W7 was no longer secure. So they were forcing people in a way. Wait till 2 years have passed and they will do same again.

The key difference is W10 would run on most pcs but the same is not so true for W11.

So yeah they will force people by scaring them and that is disingenuous.


I already covered why this happens. If the people were to take the time and actually learn about their computers instead of "turn on, open Facebook, react, watch, play games, react, play more games, open email check email, send grandma new pics, close email play more games, close FB and go to bed" then this could not happen.

You cannot take advantage of the educated. But if the people don't want to know, no matter how disingenuous you say it is, it's absolutely no different than any other corporation out there trying to sell you a product while their only real agenda is to maximize their RoI. And let's face it - the people let themselves be scared - which is the crux of the matter here.

Again, you're not forced to do anything, even if you may think otherwise. Being convinced to do something is not the same as being forced.


True, but my W7 machines are still getting definition and engine updates for their MSE AV through Windows Update and will continue to do so until January 2023, three years after W7 reached end of support. This is the one part of the paid-for ESU program that is free for all users, not just businesses that have subscribed for Extended Security Updates.

I suspect W10 will get a similar 3 years of ESU paid for support after 2024, and would expect Defender at least to continue getting its updates.


Most people don't know about this because they don't want to take the time to learn about this, so will just complain and then move on.


The real truth is sad to say it is that Microsoft like other technology companies doesn't really care about its users. They are all out just to make money . That is how it always is and always will be.


It's the definition of a corporation. You have stocks and bonds, ergo you have investors, ergo you have to make the investors happy.


The real truth is also the fact that Microsoft has never taken away your choice to look to other OS alternatives. This isn't to be flippant, but if you're going to make those claims, then you also have to accept the fact that you also have a choice.


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This 100%


True but ESU is progressively expensive and I bet 99% of domestic consumers do not even know this exists, let alone be prepared to pay for it.


Because they don't want to know about it.

The reason forums like this place exist, is because techies want more information on how to solve an issue, or how better to accomplish a task, or recommendations on alternative to the software they use, that kind of thing. The vast majority of people don't come to forums like this, they contact tech support to get things fixed - either their OEM, or their OS dev, or their software devs, whomever - because at the end of the day, they have things they need to get done, and simply don't have the time to spend fixing computer stuff.

It's why I've had a job all these years. I do what others don't want to do. I fix that ^%@#%$ that they don't want to touch because they don't understand. Same holds true (in reverse) for my car maintenance. I have picked up stuff here and there, but for major maintenance I don't do it myself - I take it to someone who has done this most of his / her life. When my body needs fixing I go to an appropriate physician, who has trained for a good part of their life on how to fix my ailments.
 

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Actually, it's the other way around. They were programs (or computer programs) first, which later became known as applications. When I worked at a chemical plant, I used a program called Ami Pro. I also used a program called Word Star. We had specific programs to gauge the amount of gasoline created; maintenance of the Coker Unit, etc. From Lyondell, I moved to a Philips chemical plant where I used a program to record "recipes" for the various chemical products. Throughout most of my working life, I used Programs.

Programs have now become applications, and the line has totally blurred between programs/applications and utilities.
Hi there

I don't see anything wring with the word application -- programs are merely tools to create applications. One doesn't call a Screwdriver a piece of manufactured steel for example. Then how would you distinguish say between a steel rail and a screwdriver.

Even back in what some call "The good old days" one used tools like Lotus 123 or "word processors" to create articles, company profit and loss accounts etc.

What has changed is that the hardware has changed beyond all recognition in that even the simplest phone "app" would have taken a load of programming on an older computer --if even possible -- these days with A.I, decent OO and procederal languages such as python one can create "an app" quite quickly without having to really understand the mechanics of programming but just concentrate on the application.

For instance I don't need all the info in how to create a screen and provide user input if a procederal language just says "Create sicreen", add objects, display screen, accept user input from object x etc etc. etc etc.

The "tech boys" can do all the "hard stuff" -- so that leaves folks like me who can concentrate on what the application / task needs to do and how the user interacts with it.


Cheers
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Two things that annoy me intensely, calling programs apps and refering to a PC as a device, my PCs are not flipping phones and I don't think they will fit in my pocket!
Not unless you have some mighty big pockets! :D

Or this:

Still, you'd need some large pockets.
 

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True but ESU is progressively expensive and I bet 99% of domestic consumers do not even know this exists, let alone be prepared to pay for it.
As I said, the AV definitions and engine updates are free and being delivered automatically to everyone on W7 until the end of ESU. Domestic consumers are still getting their Microsoft AV kept up to date. It's the OS patches that are paid for.
 

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    Acer Aspire 3 A315-23
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    fully 'Windows 11 ready' laptop. Windows 10 C: partition migrated from my old unsupported 'main machine' then upgraded to 11. A test migration ran Insider builds for 2 months. When 11 was released on 5th October it was re-imaged back to 10 and was offered the upgrade in Windows Update on 20th October.


    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, Windows 11 Pro.
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    unsupported machine: Legacy bios, MBR, TPM 1.2, upgraded from W10 to W11 using W10/W11 hybrid install media workaround.


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nothing is ever perfect.
 

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Windows Eleven is a big deal to me.
It's one more than ten and by golly it's free.
I know that you'll like it as much as I do.
It does all this fun stuff that's totally new.

I can run all my programs all at the same time.
And even on smart phones it seems to run fine.
It runs on my tablet and on my laptop.
I start it each morning and it never stops.

It plays all my games with some fast fps.
It balances checkbooks, I don't have to guess.
It keeps my to-do list for all of the week.
Windows Eleven is a big deal to me.
 

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Windows Eleven is a big deal to me.
It's one more than ten and by golly it's free.
I know that you'll like it as much as I do.
It does all this fun stuff that's totally new.

I can run all my programs all at the same time.
And even on smart phones it seems to run fine.
It runs on my tablet and on my laptop.
I start it each morning and it never stops.

It plays all my games with some fast fps.
It balances checkbooks, I don't have to guess.
It keeps my to-do list for all of the week.
Windows Eleven is a big deal to me.
Well said. I applaud you!
 

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I can't say I was excited by windows 11, but I wasn't worried about it either.
I put it on my system yesterday, ran through some tests of my most used applications and games pulled up some IDE's for projects and ran some tests with that.

No issues at all so far. In fact an issue I'd been contending with on Win 10 is gone now.

Absolutely loving the Auto HDR feature. Sure its not giving us the full whammy HDR and that's ok but it is a drastic improvement.

I like the UI changes, I've never been one to care about change, accept it and move on.
I do like the corner radius addition as it just softens up the windows.

I love the new menu's and settings pages, maybe because I'm doing the exact same thing in a work project it just makes sense to me.

Only really got a couple of issues with it, synched contacts in teams pulls from a very out dated list and can't be edited easily.
And time...on all displays or there lack of, a rather dubious choice given the main display is likely the one to host a full screen app and the only one to display the time too.
 

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    32gb
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The real truth is sad to say it is that Microsoft like other technology companies doesn't really care about its users. They are all out just to make money . That is how it always is and always will be.
I don't understand the "care" bit. A corporation is not a charity. Any corporation exists in order to make money for its shareholders. Now, to make money, they need to offer a decent product and any relevant services that people will pay for. How are they doing that exactly? That's for the current corporate leadership to decide. Ultimately, if customers will be unhappy with the offered products and services, they will quit paying for them and the corporation will start losing money, at which point they either do something about it or disappear.

The so-called "care" is in fact a service or, if you wish, a marketing scheme. If you are a loyal customer repeatedly buying a product, a corporation may through you a few perks just to keep you happy. The more money you spend, the more perks you get. This is how it works with airlines, car companies, hotel chains, etc. With technology companies, customers are in tens of millions, so apart from occasional discount campaigns, there are no visible perks (I'm not sure whether Windows MVPs get anything of a value, but these guys are donating a whole lot of their time, so I'd say they should). Hence, there is no "care" aspect. If you expect Microsoft to make Windows more convenient to you personally (or to a group of like-minded enthusiasts), then you are mistaken. They don't know you exist.
 

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    Windows 10
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    i5-10600K
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    Asus Rog Strix Z490-A Gaming
    Memory
    16 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
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The two biggest things I take from Windows 11 is how much more snappier it is, and its improved appearance. Yeah, I know some hate the appearance changes, but I actually love it. It's about time Microsoft changed up the appearance. One of the things I really liked about Vista was the Aero Glass. Glad to see 11 pushing it further.

Really can't wait to install it on my desktop so I can fully appreciate how it handles fully supported hardware as well as gaming. For the time being I'm running it on my daily use 2017 Lenovo laptop and all it good thus far, but my desktop has far more critical apps so I'd rather wait for a non-beta release and clean installing on the desktop.

Yes, one has to get use to all the stuff that's been moved or removed; yes, there will be some frustrations because of those changes, yes, the OS demands newer hardware (my desktop meets all the requirements), but for a PC enthusiast like me running the pre-release, I'm prepared (y)
 

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    Windows 11 Pro 21H2 (22000.348)
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    Custom built
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    Intel i9-9900K
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte Aorus Z390 Xtreme
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    32G (4x8) DDR4 Corsair RGB Dominator Platinum (3600Mhz)
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    Radeon VII
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    Onboard (ESS Sabre HiFi using Realtek drivers)
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    NEC PA242w (24 inch)
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1200
    Hard Drives
    5 Samsung SSD drives: 2X 970 NVME (512 & 1TB), 3X EVO SATA (2X 2TB, 1X 1TB)
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    EVGA Super Nova I000 P2 (1000 watt)
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    Cooler Master H500M
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    Corsair H115i RGB Platinum
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    Logitech Craft
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    Logitech MX Master 2S
    Internet Speed
    180mb upload. 11mb Download
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    Edge Chromium
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    Windows Security
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    System used for gaming, photography, audiophile media center, work.
  • Operating System
    Win 11 Pro Dev build 22454.1000
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Lenovo ThinkPad Yoga X1
    CPU
    Intel i7-7600U
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    Intel
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    16igg
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    Intel HD 620
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    Onboard
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    14.0 WQHD OLED Touch
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    2560 x 1440
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    1TB NVMe Drive (OEM)
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    Logitech MX Anywhere 2S
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I can't say I was excited by windows 11, but I wasn't worried about it either.
I put it on my system yesterday, ran through some tests of my most used applications and games pulled up some IDE's for projects and ran some tests with that.

No issues at all so far. In fact an issue I'd been contending with on Win 10 is gone now.

Absolutely loving the Auto HDR feature. Sure its not giving us the full whammy HDR and that's ok but it is a drastic improvement.

I like the UI changes, I've never been one to care about change, accept it and move on.
I do like the corner radius addition as it just softens up the windows.

I love the new menu's and settings pages, maybe because I'm doing the exact same thing in a work project it just makes sense to me.

Only really got a couple of issues with it, synched contacts in teams pulls from a very out dated list and can't be edited easily.
And time...on all displays or there lack of, a rather dubious choice given the main display is likely the one to host a full screen app and the only one to display the time too.

Interestingly enough, I've had one major issue with BT Pairing and connecting to my XBox Elite 2 Wireless controller all but disappear as well. I cannot be 100% sure if it is Windows 11, newer BT drivers from Intel, or a conbination thereof - but I'm not complaining! lol

The two biggest things I take from Windows 11 is how much more snappier it is, and its improved appearance. Yeah, I know some hate the appearance changes, but I actually love it. It's about time Microsoft changed up the appearance. One of the things I really liked about Vista was the Aero Glass. Glad to see 11 pushing it further.

Really can't wait to install it on my desktop so I can fully appreciate how it handles fully supported hardware as well as gaming. For the time being I'm running it on my daily use 2017 Lenovo laptop and all it good thus far, but my desktop has far more critical apps so I'd rather wait for a non-beta release and clean installing on the desktop.

Yes, one has to get use to all the stuff that's been moved or removed; yes, there will be some frustrations because of those changes, yes, the OS demands newer hardware (my desktop meets all the requirements), but for a PC enthusiast like me running the pre-release, I'm prepared (y)

Come over to the dark side!

Seriously, as @Ptolomios said, the auto HDR feature alone has made gaming much, much better. I put it on my desktop before my laptop (that is another disaster story on its own) and am quite happy that I did, even with 2 clean installs and a failed install of 22454 5 different times using 3 different methods lol.

No, I get why you've not done so if your need for stability is at or near Mission Critical levels. But when you finally do, you'll understand just how beautiful gaming has gotten for me - using a 4K monitor and a GTX 970 driving it, via Windows 11.
 

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    Windows 10 Pro X64
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    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HomeBrew
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    AMD Ryzen 9 3950X
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    MSI MEG X570 GODLIKE
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    4 * Corsair Vengeance 32 GB 3600 MHz
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    eVGA GeForce GTX 970 SSC ACX 2.0 (04G-P4-3979-KB)
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    Realtek® ALC1220 Codec
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    2 * Lenovo LT2323pwA Widescreeen
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    2* 1920*1080
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    3x Sabrent Rocket PCIe Gen4 NVMe M.2 1 TB SSD (SB-ROCKET-NVMe4-1TB)
    SanDisk Ultra SDSSDHII-960G-G25 960 GB SATA III SSD
    Crucial MX100 CT256MX100SSD1 256GB SATA III SSD
    2 * Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 ST31000528AS 1TB 7200 RPM --> RAID1
    PSU
    PC Power & Cooling’s Silencer Series 1050 Watt, 80 Plus Platinum
    Case
    Fractal Design Define 7 XL Dark ATX Full Tower Case
  • Operating System
    Windows 10 x64 Pro build 21H1
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    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Latitude E5470
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    Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-6300U CPU @ 2.40GHz, 2501 Mhz, 2 Core(s), 4 Logical Processor(s)
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    Dell
    Memory
    16 GB
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    Intel(R) HD Graphics 520
    Sound Card
    Intel(R) HD Graphics 520 + RealTek Audio
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    Dell laptop display 15"
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    Hard Drives
    Toshiba 128GB M.2 22300 drive
    INTEL Cherryvill 520 Series SSDSC2CW180A 180 GB SATA III SSD
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    Dell
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    Dell
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    Dell
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Windows Eleven is a big deal to me.
It's one more than ten and by golly it's free.
I know that you'll like it as much as I do.
It does all this fun stuff that's totally new.

I can run all my programs all at the same time.
And even on smart phones it seems to run fine.
It runs on my tablet and on my laptop.
I start it each morning and it never stops.

It plays all my games with some fast fps.
It balances checkbooks, I don't have to guess.
It keeps my to-do list for all of the week.
Windows Eleven is a big deal to me.
Yep, It's a nice poem. With rhyme too.
:)
 

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    Linux: Rocky / CentOS / Fedora 64-bit / Windows 10 Pro 64-bit VM
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    TOSHIBA Tecra W50-A
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    Intel i7-4810MQ
    Motherboard
    TOSHIBA, Intel QM87 Express Chipset
    Memory
    32GB DDR3 @1600
    Graphics Card(s)
    Nvidia Quadro K2100M - 2GB
    Sound Card
    Realtek HD Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    15.6' built-in + LG-32ML600M
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    Samsung SSD 840 250GB + Samsung SSD QVO 2TB
    PSU
    180W adapter
    Cooling
    The usual airflow + docked to station - PA5117E-1PRP
    Keyboard
    Backlit built-in + Logitech Orion G610
    Mouse
    SteelSeries Rival 100 Red
    Internet Speed
    Good enough
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    Chromium, Edge, Firefox
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
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    Windows 10 Pro 64-bit
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    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom Build
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 7 1800X
    Motherboard
    MSI Mortar B350M
    Memory
    32GB DDR4 @2666
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    GYGABYTE AORUS Radeon RX580 8G
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    Realtek HD Audio
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    Medion 27'
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    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    WD Black 3D NAND SSD 250 GB NVMe + 4x HDD WD Blue 500GB 2.5'
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    Corsair Builder CX550M
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    Fractal Design Define Mini (Black)
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I'm pretty sure those who have systems that can't run Windows 11 will wait; however, as hardware begins to fail, more and more folks will be forced to upgrade.

Those of us who have systems that can run Windows 11 will be more inclined to upgrade. It's just the nature of the beastie . . .
That is one thing that bothers me. Many many people rely on cheap used laptops and can’t afford new ones - and most of them wouldn’t want or couldn’t get on with Linux. But I guess by the time Windows 10 ends there will be a few used laptops available (but nothing older than four snd a half years so not that cheap). For example my Dad’s old laptop runs great - updates from W7 to W10. Only worth about £50 and 9 years old but to someone with no money who needs a computer it’s a great computer!
 

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    Windows 10
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    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Surface Laptop 3
    CPU
    Core i5
    Memory
    8gb
    Hard Drives
    250gb ssd
    Internet Speed
    Dismal
    Browser
    Firefox
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    Windows 10
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Asus Eee PC 1015PX
    CPU
    Intel Atom N570
    Memory
    2gb
    Hard Drives
    Samsung Evo 860 250gb ssd
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I already covered why this happens. If the people were to take the time and actually learn about their computers instead of "turn on, open Facebook, react, watch, play games, react, play more games, open email check email, send grandma new pics, close email play more games, close FB and go to bed" then this could not happen.

You cannot take advantage of the educated. But if the people don't want to know, no matter how disingenuous you say it is, it's absolutely no different than any other corporation out there trying to sell you a product while their only real agenda is to maximize their RoI. And let's face it - the people let themselves be scared - which is the crux of the matter here.

Again, you're not forced to do anything, even if you may think otherwise. Being convinced to do something is not the same as being forced.





Most people don't know about this because they don't want to take the time to learn about this, so will just complain and then move on.





It's the definition of a corporation. You have stocks and bonds, ergo you have investors, ergo you have to make the investors happy.





^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This 100%





Because they don't want to know about it.

The reason forums like this place exist, is because techies want more information on how to solve an issue, or how better to accomplish a task, or recommendations on alternative to the software they use, that kind of thing. The vast majority of people don't come to forums like this, they contact tech support to get things fixed - either their OEM, or their OS dev, or their software devs, whomever - because at the end of the day, they have things they need to get done, and simply don't have the time to spend fixing computer stuff.

It's why I've had a job all these years. I do what others don't want to do. I fix that ^%@#%$ that they don't want to touch because they don't understand. Same holds true (in reverse) for my car maintenance. I have picked up stuff here and there, but for major maintenance I don't do it myself - I take it to someone who has done this most of his / her life. When my body needs fixing I go to an appropriate physician, who has trained for a good part of their life on how to fix my ailments.
I have just noticed your title :). A word my Father drummed into me at a young age saying it was the longest word in the dictionary. I wonder if it still is? Only difference was m on the end instead of t (ie ism) :)
 

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    Windows 10
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    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Surface Laptop 3
    CPU
    Core i5
    Memory
    8gb
    Hard Drives
    250gb ssd
    Internet Speed
    Dismal
    Browser
    Firefox
  • Operating System
    Windows 10
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Asus Eee PC 1015PX
    CPU
    Intel Atom N570
    Memory
    2gb
    Hard Drives
    Samsung Evo 860 250gb ssd
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    Dismal
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I guess by the time Windows 10 ends there will be a few used laptops available (but nothing older than four and a half years so not that cheap)
The TPM 2.0 specification was released in 2014, and the first Intel 8th gen processors were released on 5th October 2017. So PCs that are supported for Windows 11 could have first started appearing in 2018. Probably not many at first, but by 2020 there were plenty to choose from. My System One is a late 2020 model.
 

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  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Aspire 3 A315-23
    CPU
    AMD Athlon Silver 3050U
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Radeon Graphics
    Monitor(s) Displays
    laptop screen
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768 native resolution, up to 2560x1440 with Radeon Virtual Super Resolution
    Hard Drives
    1TB HDD
    Browser
    Edge, Firefox
    Antivirus
    Defender
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    fully 'Windows 11 ready' laptop. Windows 10 C: partition migrated from my old unsupported 'main machine' then upgraded to 11. A test migration ran Insider builds for 2 months. When 11 was released on 5th October it was re-imaged back to 10 and was offered the upgrade in Windows Update on 20th October.


    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, Windows 11 Pro.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Lattitude E4310
    CPU
    i5 M 520
    Motherboard
    0T6M8G
    Memory
    4GB
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768
    Hard Drives
    500GB HDD
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    unsupported machine: Legacy bios, MBR, TPM 1.2, upgraded from W10 to W11 using W10/W11 hybrid install media workaround.


    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, Windows 11 Pro.
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