What would you like to see in Windows 12?


Wow is this thread a wreck. I'm amazed by how much people don't understand how software and businesses work.
"omg why they release win12 I'm still using win7???"
You guys do know that in the 90s and 2000s MS released a new standalone version of windows every 2-3 years. 95, 98, Me, XP, Vista, they were all released in a span of a bit over 10 years. And while they did slow down a bit after, especially with Win10, it sill shouldn't be too surprising.

Anyways, as for what I want from 12, not too much honestly. OSes achieve most of what people want from them, and I don't think I've missed any feature. The main thing for me though is appearance. Even though I kinda liked the metro design of Win8, it definitely looked better on phones (diehard Windows Phone fan, still using one today), than it did on PCs. Design seriously took a nosedive after Vista and 7. So the best thing for me would be a complete UI redesign. And I'm talking everything. Yes we're promised a new and improved UI every Win release, but it's always lackluster and doesn't cover even a half of Windows, let alone 100%. Acrylic was the only thing that kinda looked nice from Win10, and it was barely used at all. Now they're killing it and replacing with Mica which looks straight up plain worse in every way. So I don't have any hopes for a good UI redesign happening, it's always gonna be up to 3rd party themes to fix that.

I would have ended my post there, but I've read a comment saying remove Cortana. I seriously don't understand it one bit. Cortana was one of he only true innovations in Windows in the past decade, and the initial idea was amazing. If you think of the future of computing, or look at any sci-fi movie, you will see voice commands in natural language and AI that serves us. That is the future, and I think it will happen at some point. Now of course, Microsoft in all of their infinite wisdom, instead of improving and building it, took a big diarrhea dump on it and now it's practically dead. What a shame.
@MaRio Like AI is great, it's just MS' execution of it that sucks. Google Assistant and Siri are both awesome.
 

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  • OS
    Windows 11 Home 21H2
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    ASUS VivoBook 15, model K513E
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    Intel Core i5 11th Generation (1135G7) at 2.4GHz
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    Unknown
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    Microsoft Edge (Chromium)
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    Windows Security/Defender
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    Win11 compatible, although update not yet offered through Windows Update (Win11 install assistant was used).
@MaRio Like AI is great, it's just MS' execution of it that sucks. Google Assistant and Siri are both awesome.
I hate this bs calling what is nothing more than a voice operated search engine "AI" - Cortana (or any of the so called AI tools) does not even come remotely close to passing the Turing Test.

The day Cortana unprompted by built in programming to be activated randomly says "That's it, I am in a bad mood and taking the day off" is the day I might start to believe AI has truly arrived.
 

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System One

  • OS
    Windows 10 Pro + others in VHDs
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    Laptop
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    ASUS Vivobook 14
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    I7
    Motherboard
    Yep, Laptop has one.
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    16 GB
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    Integrated Intel Iris XE
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    Realtek built in
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    N/A
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    1920x1080
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    1 TB Optane NVME SSD, 1 TB NVME SSD
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    Yep, got one
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    Yep, got one
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    Stella Artois
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    Built in
    Mouse
    Bluetooth , wired
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    72 Mb/s :-(
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    Edge mostly
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    Defender
    Other Info
    TPM 2.0
macOS Big Sur and later goes one step further with the read only OS partition; it's cryptographically signed and then a APFS snapshot is mounted to boot from. That system of security is the total death of any meaningful customization of anything basic to the OS, like what is talked about in Windows forums all the time. The users who want the computer to be "theirs" wouldn't be able to abide that state of affairs. They'd throw the computer out the window in very short order.

The data partition has all of the user's programs, data and settings, and that can be customized. But the ability of having your own boot screen or personal icon set or themes are gone, gone, gone.

Now, what I'd like to see in Windows 12 is a Desktop Abstraction Layer, so you can use the version and feature set of Windows you want with all of the security of the latest Windows. One could even develop a special Desktop Environment with the basics of Windows 7 (but with Libraries you could activate or disable at will), with the right-click Start button menu and the new Task Manager from Windows 8 and above and a Ribbon tabbed Explorer from Windows 11, and have the best of all worlds.

I just might go back to Windows if I had that DE. EDIT: I want my Windows Phone back!!!
 

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    macOS Monterey
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    Apple
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    Core i7 2.2 GHz (I7-5650U)
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    MacBook Air 2017 BTO
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    8 GB
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    HD Graphics 6000
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    1440x900
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    128 GB SSD (PCIe 2.0 x4)
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    Unibody aluminum
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    Windows 10 21H2
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    i3-3240
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    Optiplex 7010
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    HP EliteDisplay E210
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    Kingston A400 240 GB SSD
    Toshiba 2 TB HDD
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    650 W
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    Malwarebytes Premium
MS ONLY DOES WHAT IT WANTS. Screw us poor slobs !
 

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  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro
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    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Intel NUC 10i5FNH - Lenovo A510 desktop -- Lenovo Laptop -- Acer laptop
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    i510210u
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    Intel
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    16g - 16g - 8g -8g
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    acer 21 inch
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    1920x1080
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    500g ssd
    500g spinner
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    cheap from Walmart
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    cheap from Walmart
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    109mbs
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    Chrome + FireFox+Waterfox+Brave+Edge
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    Emsisoft + Malwarebytes
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    Win 10 Pro
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    Lenovo 510
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    I5
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    Lenovo
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    16g
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    cpu
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    20 inch
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    SSD
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    109mbs
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    Emsisoft + Malwarebytes Free
All of Windows 11 security + All of Windows 10's features - like a working, usable taskbar, with right click for TM, with the ability to move it to other locations (sides / top), etc.

IOW - Like 7 did with Vista and XP.

Exactly!!
Especially the taskbar - we need to be able to move it to other locations - left side, for example - like Windows 10.
 

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System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Alienware Aurora R9
    CPU
    i9-9900 @ 3.10GHz
    Memory
    64GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER
    Hard Drives
    1TB SSD, 2TB HDD

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    Windows 11 Canary Channel
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    PowerSpec B746
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    Intel Core i7-10700K
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    ASRock Z490 Phantom Gaming 4/ax
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    16GB (8GB PC4-19200 DDR4 SDRAM x2)
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    NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 TI
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    Realtek Audio
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    Samsung SAM0A87 Samsung SAM0D32
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    1920 x 1080
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    NVMe WDC WDS100T2B0C-00PXH0 1TB
    Samsung SSD 860 EVO 1TB
    PSU
    750 Watts (62.5A)
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    PowerSpec/Lian Li ATX 205
    Keyboard
    Logitech K270
    Mouse
    Logitech M185
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge and Firefox
    Antivirus
    ESET Internet Security
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    Windows 11 Canary Channel
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    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    PowerSpec G156
    CPU
    Intel Core i5-8400 CPU @ 2.80GHz
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    AsusTeK Prime B360M-S
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    16 MB DDR 4-2666
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    23" Speptre HDMI 75Hz
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    1920x1080
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    Samsung 970 EVO 500GB NVMe
    Mouse
    Logitek M185
    Keyboard
    Logitek K270
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge and Edge Canary
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
Although, if Microsoft could combine the start menu & search highlights, it would be perfect if what it would look like.
 

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    Windows 11
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    Lenovo YOGA 730-15IKB
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    Intel Core i5-8250U
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    Lenovo LNVNB161216
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    8.00 GB
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    Intel(R) UHD Graphics 620
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    Realtek ALC236 @ Intel Sunrise Point-LP PCH - High Definition Audio Controller, Intel Kaby Lake HDMI @ Intel Sunrise Point-LP PCH - High Definition Audio Controller [C1] PCI[C1] PCI,
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    CMN N156HCE-EN1
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    1920x1080
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    G-TECH ArmorATD SCSI Disk Device
    HFS256GD9TNG-62A0A
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    OEM Define 1
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    Unknown Case
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    Intel Sunrise Point-LP PCH - Thermal Management Controller [C1]
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    Standard PS/2 Keyboard
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    HID-compliant mouse
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    292500 kbps
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    Microsoft Edge, Google Chrome, Etc.
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    Trend Micro Internet Security
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"What would you like to see in Windows 12?"​

NO Rearview Mirror.
 

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    Win7 Pro Retail Upgrade to Win 10 Pro, to Win11 Pro 23H2 OS( Build 22631.3235
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    Home Build
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    AMD Ryzen 3 3200G with Radeon Vega Graphics
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    MSI B450 Tomahawk
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    Corsair DDR4 32g (29.9 GB usable)
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    AMD High Definition Audio Device Realtek High Definition Audio
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    2
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    Samsung SSD 860 EVO 1TB (SATA (SSD))
    931GB Western Digital WDC WD10EZEX-00RKKA0 (SATA )
    Seagate BUP 4TB USB3 (This drive died at one year)
    (3) Seagate BUP Slim 2TB USB3
    Samsung SSD 850 EVO 500G USB3
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    Corsair TX 750W
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    Cooler Master tower
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    3 generic fans
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    Logitech Backlit USB
    Mouse
    Logitech M510
    Internet Speed
    T-Mobile 5G 100+ Mbs
    Browser
    Edge, Firefox
    Antivirus
    Defender and Malwarebytes Prem
    Other Info
    A bunch of legit software

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System One System Two

  • OS
    Win 11 Pro (Insider Beta channel)
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    Laptop
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    Acer AN515-54
    CPU
    Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-9300H CPU @ 2.40GHz 2.40 GHz
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    32GB
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    Nvidia GeForce GTX 1650, Intel UHD 630
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    Acer CB272D
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    1920x1080
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    256GB and 1T SSD
    Keyboard
    Logitech K375S
    Mouse
    Logitech M510
    Internet Speed
    250MB
    Browser
    Edge
    Antivirus
    Malwarebytes
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    Win 11 Pro (Insider Canary Channel, unsupported)
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    Laptop
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    Dell E6430
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    Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-3540M CPU @ 3.00GHz 3.00 GHz (non-compliant)
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    16 GB
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    Intel HD Graphics 4000, NVIDIA NVS 5200M
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender

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System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Canary Channel
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    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    PowerSpec B746
    CPU
    Intel Core i7-10700K
    Motherboard
    ASRock Z490 Phantom Gaming 4/ax
    Memory
    16GB (8GB PC4-19200 DDR4 SDRAM x2)
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    NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 TI
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    Realtek Audio
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    Samsung SAM0A87 Samsung SAM0D32
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
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    NVMe WDC WDS100T2B0C-00PXH0 1TB
    Samsung SSD 860 EVO 1TB
    PSU
    750 Watts (62.5A)
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    PowerSpec/Lian Li ATX 205
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    Logitech K270
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    Logitech M185
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge and Firefox
    Antivirus
    ESET Internet Security
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    Windows 11 Canary Channel
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    PowerSpec G156
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    Intel Core i5-8400 CPU @ 2.80GHz
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    AsusTeK Prime B360M-S
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    16 MB DDR 4-2666
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    23" Speptre HDMI 75Hz
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    1920x1080
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    Samsung 970 EVO 500GB NVMe
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    Logitek M185
    Keyboard
    Logitek K270
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge and Edge Canary
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
The cup holders were on the old computers. Some people thought they were for optical disk. :cool:
That's where I was going with that... :wink:
 

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  • OS
    Win 11 Pro (Insider Beta channel)
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    Laptop
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    Acer AN515-54
    CPU
    Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-9300H CPU @ 2.40GHz 2.40 GHz
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    32GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Nvidia GeForce GTX 1650, Intel UHD 630
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    Acer CB272D
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
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    256GB and 1T SSD
    Keyboard
    Logitech K375S
    Mouse
    Logitech M510
    Internet Speed
    250MB
    Browser
    Edge
    Antivirus
    Malwarebytes
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    Win 11 Pro (Insider Canary Channel, unsupported)
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    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell E6430
    CPU
    Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-3540M CPU @ 3.00GHz 3.00 GHz (non-compliant)
    Memory
    16 GB
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel HD Graphics 4000, NVIDIA NVS 5200M
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
For it to not happen at all.
It takes me days to set up a new PC with all the tweaks and changes and every time they release a new version there is some problem that forces me to manually set the tweaks all over again.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Win 11
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    12700
    Memory
    32gb
    Graphics Card(s)
    3070ti
    Sound Card
    -
    Screen Resolution
    3840x1600, 2560x1080
Win 7 Start Menu
 

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System One

  • OS
    Windows 10
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Self Build
    CPU
    11th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-11900K @ 3.50GHz 3.50 G
    Motherboard
    ASUS Prime Z590-A
    Memory
    32 GB
    Case
    Corsair Silent Edition
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    Water

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