Let's install Windows 11 on incompatible hardware

spapakons · Oct 31, 2024

As far as I understand, something changed in the way Windows 11 24H2 configures USB devices presumably to improve performance. My old cheap wireless USB dongle (IEEE 802.11n category) was probably configured to work at higher speed than it could manage and it would frequently disconnect. Even worse, Windows could not detect it for several seconds, like I had physically removed it! I solved this issue buying a new faster wireless USB dongle (IEEE 802.11ac). I appreciate the much faster connection speed, but I would rather avoid the expense. On the other hand, my Bluetooth USB dongle that would sometimes have difficulty connecting to my earphones, now is stable and connects every time. I suspect this is your case also, some USB devices need more time to adapt to the new configuration.

pietcorus2 · Oct 31, 2024

Will try next time with all my USB2/3 disconnected , before reboot.........
btw ; if you make a backup first , beware ; standard backups are for C ( Windows ) , but after an upgrade , Windows made chances to other HDDs/partitions also.
These changes are not in your backup , if you have to roll-back to 23H2 again............ :look:

spapakons · Oct 31, 2024

That's why I don't trust a standard backup and I clone the entire Windows disk before upgrading. If anything would go wrong, I would clone back and would be as nothing happened.

hsehestedt · Oct 31, 2024

pietcorus2 said:
Will try next time with all my USB2/3 disconnected , before reboot.........
btw ; if you make a backup first , beware ; standard backups are for C ( Windows ) , but after an upgrade , Windows made chances to other HDDs/partitions also.
These changes are not in your backup , if you have to roll-back to 23H2 again............

Could you please elaborate further? What changes to other drives is Windows upgrade making? I'm genuinely interested, although I admit to being a bit skeptical about this claim.

pietcorus2 · Oct 31, 2024

spapakons said:
That's why I don't trust a standard backup and I clone the entire Windows disk before upgrading. If anything would go wrong, I would clone back and would be as nothing happened.

I use to backup my entire SSD , with Win11 on it , the other inside HDDs are not included .

pietcorus2 · Oct 31, 2024

hsehestedt said:
Could you please elaborate further? What changes to other drives is Windows upgrade making? I'm genuinely interested, although I admit to being a bit skeptical about this claim.

After upgrade , some files , or exe.files may have chanced by MS .
I encountered a problem with MSIXBUNDLE -files , placed on an inside HDD ,could not open them anymore , after backup , just before upgrading.
When I went back to some more days ago ( Macrium ) , all was ok .

pietcorus2 · Oct 31, 2024

btw ; any option to backup all services in 23H2 , to compare them with 24H2 , after the upgrade .......???
coz my boottime went skyhigh , from 23H2 to 24H2 !

hsehestedt · Oct 31, 2024

pietcorus2 said:
After upgrade , some files , or exe.files may have chanced by MS .
I encountered a problem with MSIXBUNDLE -files , placed on an inside HDD ,could not open them anymore , after backup , just before upgrading.
When I went back to some more days ago ( Macrium ) , all was ok .

Thanks for the information. I highly doubt that it was the upgrade that did this. There is probably some other logical reason for this. Logically, what reason would Windows have to go modify files on other drives? Also, in all my years working with Windows, I have never once seen this happen. I'll admit that there is always a first time, but I remain doubtful

. I'm not doubting that something changed, I just don't think that it was the upgrade of Windows that was responsible.

But I would love to give you some ideas on what may really be happening. By any chance do you recall what error you got when you tried to access those files?

hsehestedt · Oct 31, 2024

pietcorus2 said:
btw ; any option to backup all services in 23H2 , to compare them with 24H2 , after the upgrade .......???
coz my boottime went skyhigh , from 23H2 to 24H2 !

In addition to the items suggested earlier, for which we await your results, you might try doing a reboot, take note of the time, then after boot, sift through the event log focusing on that timeframe to see if it offers any clues.

pietcorus2 · Oct 31, 2024

hsehestedt said:
Thanks for the information. I highly doubt that it was the upgrade that did this. There is probably some other logical reason for this. Logically, what reason would Windows have to go modify files on other drives? Also, in all my years working with Windows, I have never once seen this happen. I'll admit that there is always a first time, but I remain doubtful . I'm not doubting that something changed, I just don't think that it was the upgrade of Windows that was responsible.

But I would love to give you some ideas on what may really be happening. By any chance do you recall what error you got when you tried to access those files?

Had to search for an application to open them ........

pietcorus2 · Oct 31, 2024

Still searching for a " service backupper " , to compare them after the upgrade ........... :wink:

garlin · Oct 31, 2024

You can dump a list of Windows Services and their start types using:

Code:

powershell -C "Get-Service | select Name,StartType"

pietcorus2 · Oct 31, 2024

garlin said:
You can dump a list of Windows Services and their start types using:

Code:

powershell -C "Get-Service | select Name,StartType"

Yes , but how to make a print or backup in text of it ??

hsehestedt · Oct 31, 2024

pietcorus2 said:
Yes , but how to make a print or backup in text of it ??

powershell -C "Get-Service | select Name,StartType" > D:\Results.txt

That will redirect the output to a text file rather than displaying it on screen. Use whatever path and filename you want in place of the D:\Results.txt

spapakons · Oct 31, 2024

There must be some security restriction that didn't allow you to open .msix or .appx files from a folder. I didn't have this issue. I have manually downloaded some games outside Windows Store so I can install them in other computers. Double-clicking the .appx file still opens the App Installer after upgrading to 24H2. It might be that you accidentally removed the App Installer in an attempt to make Windows lighter. There is a PowerShell command to install it again, search the Forum or Google it, I don't know it.

garlin · Oct 31, 2024

spapakons said:
There must be some security restriction that didn't allow you to open .msix or .appx files from a folder. I didn't have this issue. I have manually downloaded some games outside Windows Store so I can install them in other computers. Double-clicking the .appx file still opens the App Installer after upgrading to 24H2. It might be that you accidentally removed the App Installer in an attempt to make Windows lighter. There is a PowerShell command to install it again, search the Forum or Google it, I don't know it.

One important reason DesktopAppInstaller exists, is it can find and install any missing dependencies an Appx package file needs. While you can install the same package using DISM or PS, those commands won't warn you if you're missing any dependencies or know where to download them.

There's no good reason for removing DesktopAppInstaller, it's there to make life easier for you.

RobertA · Nov 16, 2024

jbcarreon123 said:
Inspired on this thread: Let's run Win10 on really really old hardware - Windows 10 Help Forums

Most of our machines are unsupported on Windows 11, why not force it?

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1. How to Bypass Windows 11's TPM, CPU and RAM Requirements

2.

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2. @brummyfan - E1-571 [i5 3rd gen]

3. @spapakons - Acer Extensa 5630EZ

Code:

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I was getting annoyed working with 2 PC with W11 and 1 with W10, and support ending next year for W10 with a possible hardware shortage, so decided taking the risk and installed W11 24H2 on our 8 years old Acer Aspire AC24-760 All In One PC with 6th generation intel i3-6100U and TPM 2.0
It's basically a back-up computer just in case. It's just sitting there doing some simple stuff.

To my surprise it all wend well without bypasser or additional software (

) It's working great so far. OK it's not fast of course, but that's OK. It even fixed some minor issues.
So with some luck it's OK for the next 2 years.

Regards,
Robert

RobertA · Nov 16, 2024

I was getting annoyed working with 2 PC with W11 and 1 with W10, and support ending next year for W10 with a possible hardware shortage, so decided taking the risk and installed W11 24H2 on our 8 years old Acer Aspire AC24-760 All In One PC with 6th generation intel i3-6100U and TPM 2.0
It's basically a back-up computer so no big deal, but a waste putting it at the trash, it's just sitting there doing some simple stuff.

To my surprise it all wend well without bypasser or additional software. It's working great so far. OK the computer is not fast of course, but that's OK. It even fixed some minor issues. So with some luck it's OK for the next 2 years.

Regards,
Robert

ProgEngi · Nov 16, 2024

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spapakons · Nov 21, 2024

Bug report: I recently updated Windows 11 24H2 to build 26100.2314 and I noticed a bug. If I maximize an application it eithers takes the whole screen hiding the taskbar, or the bottom of the application is hidden by the taskbar. Does anyone else has the same symptom? I am not sure if this is a Windows bug or Open Shell or Explorer Patcher bug. But since the other two didn't update, it must be a Windows bug.

EDIT: I just checked in Settings, Personalization, Taskbar, Taskbar Behaviors and the "Automatically hide the taskbar" box was checked! I didn't check that! Anyway, once I unchecked the box, problem solved! Just once more that Microsoft thinks they know better than us what settings we like, I presume...

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