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I never install 'Preview' type Windows updates so I always look for the word 'preview' in the update title. I don't like my PC being used for testing updates before general release. I know some people don't mind, but I do mind.

Today I saw 'Optional' Cumulative update KB5010414 and it did not have the word 'preview' in the title so I installed it only to discover it is in fact a 'preview' type update.

Okay it's not a big deal but I wish Microsoft did not try to hide the fact it is a 'preview' type by omitting the word 'preview' in the title.

I admit it was shown as 'Optional' so it seems that there are now two words to watch out for. 'Preview' and 'Optional'.

The trick will only work once though. I'll be watching you Microsoft.
 

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Optional means just what it says. You can wait until the update is final to install it. It is called an optional update because you have the option to install or not.
 

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KB5010414 was delivered to all but the dev channel this week
So at this present time stable, PR and Beta are all on the same build
 

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Optional means just what it says. You can wait until the update is final to install it. It is called an optional update because you have the option to install or not.
I always go ahead and install all updates and then if I have trouble I just work on them It gives me something to do.:)
 

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I always look for the word 'preview' in the update title....
I don't think MS are being deliberately sneaky - just lazy/slapdash. I've occasionally seen the same thing (or rather, not seen) for W10 'preview' updates in the past few years.
 

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. . with even more confusion from Microsoft -

KB5010414 released 10th February Build(22000.526) - Preview
KB5010414 released 15th February Build(22000.527) - RTM


You need to ensure which build you are on - .526 / .527
 

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You need to ensure which build you are on - .526 / .527
.526 was only for insiders, and 'Preview' in that context was because it was in the Release Preview ring. It got a couple of tweaks and the build bumped up by 1 when it was ready to be released to RTM.
 

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I just don't think it's any big deal ! I got more important things in life to worry about !
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I never install Update Previews, I hide them with WAUM on both systems and wait for the real thing.
Grogu lets me know when it`s time :)
 

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Today I saw 'Optional' Cumulative update KB5010414 and it did not have the word 'preview' in the title so I installed it only to discover it is in fact a 'preview' type update.
Ok, but it had the word "optional" so... :cautious:
 

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Ya the real thing only comes out on the 2nd Tuesday of the month, just as it always has.
Correct me if I`m wrong. But I always wait til then.
 

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I never install Preview Updates. But I took Optional to mean it is an update you may or may not need or want not that a fully tested version will follow.
 

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Optional means just what it says. You can wait until the update is final to install it. It is called an optional update because you have the option to install or not.
Optional means install if you what. It doesn't mean it's a preview update.
 

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Ya you just have to read it.
 

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    GSkill Trident Z RGB 32GB 3600 16-16-16-36 (F4-3600C16Q-32GTZR)
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    Realtek High Definition
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    Corsair Vengeance C70 Gunmetal Black
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Ya the real thing only comes out on the 2nd Tuesday of the month, just as it always has.
Correct me if I`m wrong. But I always wait til then.
They're all 'real', and these updates will be included in the next patch Tuesday one. But I know what you mean. What make Patch Tuesday more important than any other CU is that it is the only one that includes new security patches.

These optional/preview ones only have new non-security fixes. Generally I don't bother installing them.
 

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    AMD Athlon Silver 3050U
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    8GB
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    fully 'Windows 11 ready' laptop. Windows 10 C: partition migrated from my old unsupported 'main machine' then upgraded to 11. A test migration ran Insider builds for 2 months. When 11 was released on 5th October it was re-imaged back to 10 and was offered the upgrade in Windows Update on 20th October. Windows Update offered the 22H2 Feature Update on 20th September 2022.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro.

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 4GB RAM, 128GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro 22H2 Insider Beta, and the release build of Win11 22H2, both as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 4GB RAM, 128GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro.
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    unsupported machine: Legacy bios, MBR, TPM 1.2, upgraded from W10 to W11 using W10/W11 hybrid install media workaround. In-place upgrade to 22H2 using ISO and a workaround.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro.

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 4GB RAM, 128GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro 22H2 Insider Beta, and the release build of Win11 22H2, both as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 4GB RAM, 128GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro.

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My very non-compliant Windows 11 computer has been automatically installing Preview updates.
I though that this thread was going to tell me I wasn't alone but not so.

It's only a test machine so I can live with it but I find it surprising nevertheless.

Anyone else in the same boat as me?

Denis
 

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My very non-compliant Windows 11 computer has been automatically installing Preview updates.
I though that this thread was going to tell me I wasn't alone but not so.

It's only a test machine so I can live with it but I find it surprising nevertheless.

Anyone else in the same boat as me?

Denis
Not me, my test machine stopped updating automatically in November
 

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    Windows 11 Pro Beta, 11 Dev, W10 VHDX Triple Boot
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    Dell Alienware M15 Ryzen Edition R6
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    AMD Ryzen™ 9 5900HX
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    32GB
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    NVIDIA® GeForce RTX™ 3070 8GB GDDR6
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Optional means just what it says. You can wait until the update is final to install it. It is called an optional update because you have the option to install or not.
Optional certainly does NOT mean that it is work-in-progress. It is called optional because it doesn't usually contain security updates or fixes for vulnerabilities. They are just using word play and it can be misleading.
 

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    Windows 11
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    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP Envy dv7
    CPU
    Intel Core i7 3630QM
    Motherboard
    HP
    Memory
    16 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel HD Graphics 4000 & Nvidia GeForce GT 635M
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    IDT High Definition
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    1080p
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    1 TB Crucial MX500 on bay 1.
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Oh. I had not noticed anybody reporting that before.

Thanks for the reply,
Denis
Security updates were fine, actual cumulative/version updates would stop at 8% and report to me it was unsupported, yeah I could do the appraiserres.dll rubbish but it wasn't worth my time tbh
 

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    Windows 11 Pro Beta, 11 Dev, W10 VHDX Triple Boot
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    Dell Alienware M15 Ryzen Edition R6
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    AMD Ryzen™ 9 5900HX
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    NVIDIA® GeForce RTX™ 3070 8GB GDDR6
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