Windows 11 is awful


kelper said:
I've had such a laptop but it's quite tiring to hold your hand in mid air all the time. I would never pay extra for a touch screen on a laptop. Makes more sense on a tablet or phone.
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Yeah i’m not sure what would possess someone to buy a touch monitor unless it was in front of them like a drawing tablet.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 25H2 Build 26200.8524
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Sin-built 2013
    CPU
    Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4770K CPU @ 3.50GHz
    Motherboard
    ASUS ROG Maximus VI Formula
    Memory
    32.0 GB of I forget and the box is in storage.
    Graphics Card(s)
    Gigabyte nVidia GeForce GTX 1660 Super OC 6GB
    Sound Card
    Onboard thingy
    Monitor(s) Displays
    5 x LG 25MS500-B - 1 x 24MK430H-B - 1 x Wacom Pro 22" Touch Screen Tablet
    Screen Resolution
    All over the place
    Hard Drives
    Too many to list.
    OS on Samsung 1TB 870 QVO SATA
    PSU
    Silverstone 1500
    Case
    NZXT Phantom 820 Full-Tower Case
    Cooling
    Noctua NH-D15 Elite Class Dual Tower CPU Cooler / 6 x EziDIY 120mm / 2 x Corsair 140mm somethings / 1 x 140mm Thermaltake something / 2 x 200mm Corsair.
    Keyboard
    Corsair K95 / Logitech diNovo Edge Wireless
    Mouse
    Logitech: G402 / G502 / Mx Masters / Mx Air Cordless
    Internet Speed
    2000/500Mbps
    Browser
    All sorts
    Antivirus
    Kaspersky Premium
    Other Info
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    TP-Link BE9300 WiFi 7 Bluetooth 5.4 (Archer TBE550E)
    TP-Link TX201 V1 2.5GB Lan

    Grandstream HT812 - VoIP
    ASUS DSL-AX82U - Mesh
    ASUS RT-AC68U - Mesh
    ASUS RT-BE88U Router

    Brother MFC-L2880DW Printer

    I’m on a horse.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro 25H2 Build 26200.8524
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    LENOVO Yoga 7 14IRL8 - 7i EVO OLED 14" Touchscreen i5 12 Core 16GB/512GB
    CPU
    Intel Core 12th Gen i5-1240P Processor (1.7 - 4.4GHz)
    Memory
    16GB LPDDR5 RAM
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel Iris Xe Graphics Processor
    Sound Card
    Optimized with Dolby Atmos®
    Screen Resolution
    QHD 2880 x 1800 OLED
    Hard Drives
    M.2 512GB
    Antivirus
    Defender / Malwarebytes
    Other Info
    …still on a horse.
antspants said:
Yeah i’m not sure what would possess someone to buy a touch monitor unless it was in front of them like a drawing tablet.
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My laptop was a gift, so I didn't care if it was touch screen or not, although I don't use the touch screen, heck I even use a mouse with mine. Now I do use the touch screen with my phone and iPad. :D
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows XP (Stable, iconic) 7/8.1/10/11
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Alienware PC
    CPU
    Intel i7 4790K
    Motherboard
    ASROCK Z97 EXTREME4
    Memory
    32GB DDR3 1600 MHz
    Graphics Card(s)
    ATI Radeon HD 7770 2GB GDDR5
    Sound Card
    Onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    SAMSUNG UE57 Series 28-Inch 4K UHD
    Hard Drives
    SAMSUNG 970 EVO PLUS M.2
    PSU
    EVGA 850 watt
    Case
    Alienware Area 51 Black Tower Case
    Keyboard
    HyperX - Alloy Elite 2 Mechanical Gaming Keyboard.
    Mouse
    Microsoft Wireless
    Internet Speed
    1.2 GHz
    Browser
    Chrome..Edge..Firefox

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Win 11 Pro (25H2 RP)
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer AN515-54
    CPU
    Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-9300H CPU @ 2.40GHz 2.40 GHz
    Memory
    32GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Nvidia GeForce GTX 1650, Intel UHD 630
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Acer CB272D
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    256GB and 1T SSD
    Internet Speed
    500MB
    Browser
    Edge (Stable)
    Antivirus
    Microsoft Defender
  • Operating System
    Win 11 Pro (RP)
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Lenovo Legion 5 16IAX10 - Type 83NX
    CPU
    Intel(R) Core(TM) Ultra 9 275HX (2.70 GHz)
    Memory
    32GB DDR5-5600
    Graphics card(s)
    NVIDIA® GeForce RTX™ 5060 8GB
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Acer CB272D
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080 75Hz
    Hard Drives
    WD Green SN3000 (2TB)
    Samsung Portable T5 (2TB)
    Keyboard
    Logi MX Keys
    Mouse
    Logi MX Anywhere 3
    Internet Speed
    500MB
    Browser
    Edge
    Antivirus
    MS Defender

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Win 11 Pro (25H2 RP)
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer AN515-54
    CPU
    Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-9300H CPU @ 2.40GHz 2.40 GHz
    Memory
    32GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Nvidia GeForce GTX 1650, Intel UHD 630
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Acer CB272D
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    256GB and 1T SSD
    Internet Speed
    500MB
    Browser
    Edge (Stable)
    Antivirus
    Microsoft Defender
  • Operating System
    Win 11 Pro (RP)
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Lenovo Legion 5 16IAX10 - Type 83NX
    CPU
    Intel(R) Core(TM) Ultra 9 275HX (2.70 GHz)
    Memory
    32GB DDR5-5600
    Graphics card(s)
    NVIDIA® GeForce RTX™ 5060 8GB
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Acer CB272D
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080 75Hz
    Hard Drives
    WD Green SN3000 (2TB)
    Samsung Portable T5 (2TB)
    Keyboard
    Logi MX Keys
    Mouse
    Logi MX Anywhere 3
    Internet Speed
    500MB
    Browser
    Edge
    Antivirus
    MS Defender
kelper said:
I've had such a laptop but it's quite tiring to hold your hand in mid air all the time. I would never pay extra for a touch screen on a laptop. Makes more sense on a tablet or phone.
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I want one of these but one that is only visible to me. So all other people can see is some crazy old person waving their arms around frantically like there is an invisible bus coming.

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My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 25H2 Build 26200.8524
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Sin-built 2013
    CPU
    Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4770K CPU @ 3.50GHz
    Motherboard
    ASUS ROG Maximus VI Formula
    Memory
    32.0 GB of I forget and the box is in storage.
    Graphics Card(s)
    Gigabyte nVidia GeForce GTX 1660 Super OC 6GB
    Sound Card
    Onboard thingy
    Monitor(s) Displays
    5 x LG 25MS500-B - 1 x 24MK430H-B - 1 x Wacom Pro 22" Touch Screen Tablet
    Screen Resolution
    All over the place
    Hard Drives
    Too many to list.
    OS on Samsung 1TB 870 QVO SATA
    PSU
    Silverstone 1500
    Case
    NZXT Phantom 820 Full-Tower Case
    Cooling
    Noctua NH-D15 Elite Class Dual Tower CPU Cooler / 6 x EziDIY 120mm / 2 x Corsair 140mm somethings / 1 x 140mm Thermaltake something / 2 x 200mm Corsair.
    Keyboard
    Corsair K95 / Logitech diNovo Edge Wireless
    Mouse
    Logitech: G402 / G502 / Mx Masters / Mx Air Cordless
    Internet Speed
    2000/500Mbps
    Browser
    All sorts
    Antivirus
    Kaspersky Premium
    Other Info
    ㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀
    TP-Link BE9300 WiFi 7 Bluetooth 5.4 (Archer TBE550E)
    TP-Link TX201 V1 2.5GB Lan

    Grandstream HT812 - VoIP
    ASUS DSL-AX82U - Mesh
    ASUS RT-AC68U - Mesh
    ASUS RT-BE88U Router

    Brother MFC-L2880DW Printer

    I’m on a horse.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro 25H2 Build 26200.8524
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    LENOVO Yoga 7 14IRL8 - 7i EVO OLED 14" Touchscreen i5 12 Core 16GB/512GB
    CPU
    Intel Core 12th Gen i5-1240P Processor (1.7 - 4.4GHz)
    Memory
    16GB LPDDR5 RAM
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel Iris Xe Graphics Processor
    Sound Card
    Optimized with Dolby Atmos®
    Screen Resolution
    QHD 2880 x 1800 OLED
    Hard Drives
    M.2 512GB
    Antivirus
    Defender / Malwarebytes
    Other Info
    …still on a horse.
RD Mercer said:
My laptop was a gift, so I didn't care if it was touch screen or not, although I don't use the touch screen, heck I even use a mouse with mine. Now I do use the touch screen with my phone and iPad. :D
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I have a hybrid laptop/tablet Fujitsu Stylistic Q702 which is essentially a 11.3" Windows tablet with a docking station. The only time I use the touch screen is when I remove it from the docking station and use it as a tablet. That's rather rare because it's too heavy to hold for too long. So I also wouldn't pay extra for a touchscreen on a laptop, but if it is included anyway is welcome.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 (5699), 25H2 (8457)
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Extensa 5630EZ
    CPU
    Mobile DualCore Intel Core 2 Duo T7250, 2000 MHz
    Motherboard
    Acer Extensa 5630
    Memory
    4GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Mobile Intel(R) GMA 4500M (Mobile 4 series)
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC268 @ Intel 82801IB ICH9 - High Definition Audio Controller
    Monitor(s) Displays
    1
    Screen Resolution
    1280x800
    Hard Drives
    Samsung SSD 850 EVO 250GB SATA Device (250 GB, SATA-III)
    Internet Speed
    VDSL 50 Mbps
    Browser
    MICROSOFT EDGE
    Antivirus
    WINDOWS DEFENDER
    Other Info
    Legacy MBR installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, no WDDM 2.0 graphics drivers, no SSE4.2, cannot get more unsupported ;) This is only my test laptop. I had installed Windows 11 here before upgrading my main PC. For my main PC I use everyday see my 2nd system specs.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro v25H2 (build 26200.8457)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom-built PC
    CPU
    Intel Core-i7 3770 3.40GHz s1155 (3rd generation)
    Motherboard
    Asus P8H61 s1155 ATX
    Memory
    2x Kingston Hyper-X Blu 8GB DDR3-1600
    Graphics card(s)
    GIGABYTE GeForce RTX 3050 WINDFORCE OC V2 6GB (GV-N3050WF2OCV2-6GD)
    Sound Card
    Realtek HD audio (ALC887)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia KDL-19L4000 19" LCD TV via VGA
    Screen Resolution
    1440x900 32-bit 60Hz
    Hard Drives
    WD Blue SA510 2.5 1000GB SSD as system disk, Western Digital Caviar Purple 4TB SATA III (WD40PURZ) as second
    PSU
    Thermaltake Litepower RGB 550W Full Wired
    Case
    SUPERCASE MIDI-TOWER
    Cooling
    Deepcool Gamma Archer CPU cooler, 1x 8cm fan at the back
    Keyboard
    Mitsumi 101-key PS/2
    Mouse
    Sunnyline OptiEye PS/2
    Internet Speed
    100Mbps
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge, Mozilla Firefox
    Antivirus
    Microsoft Windows Defender
    Other Info
    Legacy BIOS (MBR) installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, WDDM 3.0 graphics drivers, WEI score 7.4
spapakons said:
I have a hybrid laptop/tablet Fujitsu Stylistic Q702 which is essentially a 11.3" Windows tablet with a docking station. The only time I use the touch screen is when I remove it from the docking station and use it as a tablet. That's rather rare because it's too heavy to hold for too long. So I also wouldn't pay extra for a touchscreen on a laptop, but if it is included anyway is welcome.
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I've been thinking about getting a used surface or some other 2 in 1 pc from ebay. Its main purpose is for use in school and to study. I'm not really interested in iPads. Is there Anything that you noticed, or think one should be cautious about when seeking out a hybrid?
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP Pavilion Laptop 15-cw1xxx
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 5 3500U with Radeon Vega Mobile Gfx
    Memory
    8.00 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    AMD Radeon(TM) Vega 8 Graphics
    Sound Card
    Realtek High Definition Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Generic PnP Monitor
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    LITEON CV8-8E128-HP (SSD)
    WDC WD10SPZX-60Z10T0 (Hard Drive)
    PSU
    Microsoft ACPI-Compliant Control Method Battery
    Case
    Proprietary HP Pavilion Laptop 15 shell
    Cooling
    Active Fan Cooling
    Keyboard
    Standard PS/2 Keyboard
    Mouse
    ELAN Clickpad
    Internet Speed
    35.50 Mbps download 23.44 Mbps upload
    Browser
    Edge
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 24h2
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Apple iMac "Core i5" 2.7 21.5" (Late 2012)
    CPU
    Intel® Core™ i5-3330S Processor
    Motherboard
    Ivy Bridge (LGA 1155)
    Memory
    8.00 GB DDR3 1600 MHz
    Graphics card(s)
    NVIDIA GeForce GT 640M
    Sound Card
    Cirrus Logic CS4206B (AB 90)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Generic Monitor (iMac)
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    APPLE HDD HTS541010A9E662 (Hard Drive 1TB)
    PSU
    Integrated
    Case
    iMac Aluminum Body
    Cooling
    Fan
    Keyboard
    HP SK-2085
    Mouse
    Lenovo
    Internet Speed
    90.8 Mbps download 23.4 Mbps upload
    Browser
    Google Chrome
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
Just make sure it has the features you want (CPU, RAM, SSD, battery) as with any other computer you buy. You shouldn't worry about Windows, as long as it is a standard desktop version and not a ridiculously limited one such as Windows RT (8 for ARM) or Windows 10/11 for ARM. If it comes with Windows 8 or 10, just format and install Windows 11. Make sure you download all the drivers from manufacturer in advance. Even if Windows Update finds all the drivers automatically, you will see a huge difference in performance if you manually install all drivers from manufacturer. For tablets that lose touch or rotation functionality after driver updates, simply install the chipset (platform) drivers from manufacturer to restore them, no other driver works.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 (5699), 25H2 (8457)
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Extensa 5630EZ
    CPU
    Mobile DualCore Intel Core 2 Duo T7250, 2000 MHz
    Motherboard
    Acer Extensa 5630
    Memory
    4GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Mobile Intel(R) GMA 4500M (Mobile 4 series)
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC268 @ Intel 82801IB ICH9 - High Definition Audio Controller
    Monitor(s) Displays
    1
    Screen Resolution
    1280x800
    Hard Drives
    Samsung SSD 850 EVO 250GB SATA Device (250 GB, SATA-III)
    Internet Speed
    VDSL 50 Mbps
    Browser
    MICROSOFT EDGE
    Antivirus
    WINDOWS DEFENDER
    Other Info
    Legacy MBR installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, no WDDM 2.0 graphics drivers, no SSE4.2, cannot get more unsupported ;) This is only my test laptop. I had installed Windows 11 here before upgrading my main PC. For my main PC I use everyday see my 2nd system specs.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro v25H2 (build 26200.8457)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom-built PC
    CPU
    Intel Core-i7 3770 3.40GHz s1155 (3rd generation)
    Motherboard
    Asus P8H61 s1155 ATX
    Memory
    2x Kingston Hyper-X Blu 8GB DDR3-1600
    Graphics card(s)
    GIGABYTE GeForce RTX 3050 WINDFORCE OC V2 6GB (GV-N3050WF2OCV2-6GD)
    Sound Card
    Realtek HD audio (ALC887)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia KDL-19L4000 19" LCD TV via VGA
    Screen Resolution
    1440x900 32-bit 60Hz
    Hard Drives
    WD Blue SA510 2.5 1000GB SSD as system disk, Western Digital Caviar Purple 4TB SATA III (WD40PURZ) as second
    PSU
    Thermaltake Litepower RGB 550W Full Wired
    Case
    SUPERCASE MIDI-TOWER
    Cooling
    Deepcool Gamma Archer CPU cooler, 1x 8cm fan at the back
    Keyboard
    Mitsumi 101-key PS/2
    Mouse
    Sunnyline OptiEye PS/2
    Internet Speed
    100Mbps
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge, Mozilla Firefox
    Antivirus
    Microsoft Windows Defender
    Other Info
    Legacy BIOS (MBR) installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, WDDM 3.0 graphics drivers, WEI score 7.4
TraderGary said:
Having come from a background of corporate software development, I can tell you that when you are making a product ready to meet a deadline, there is a hierarchy of priorities. The Control Panel still works just fine. My guess would be that replacing it would have a very low priority. Delivering an OS that has as few bugs as possible would have a very high priority.
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Hmm TraderJoeGary -- no buying. If it's such a low priority, why introduce the settings app at all? I've worked in software too and if it takes over 9 years to introduce a complete Settings app, Microsoft is inept.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    11 if on this site
I notice more and more functions are introduced in Settings with every upgrade, but still not everything that can be done in Control Panel can also be done in Settings. It has still a long way to go until it completely replaces the "traditional" Control Panel. I don't believe Microsoft is so stupid to completely disable Control Panel. Most probably they will just hide it, but good fellows like Winaero and others will find a workaround to enable it and use it again. Remember the first versions of Windows 11? There was no right-click menu for taskbar. All of us used to right-click and load Task Manager did not like that. Eventually Microsoft was forced to restore at least the Task Manager option and the full right-click menu can be enabled with tools such as Explorer Patcher. So I don't give up hope. Let the rumors say, I don't believe everything they say.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 (5699), 25H2 (8457)
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Extensa 5630EZ
    CPU
    Mobile DualCore Intel Core 2 Duo T7250, 2000 MHz
    Motherboard
    Acer Extensa 5630
    Memory
    4GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Mobile Intel(R) GMA 4500M (Mobile 4 series)
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC268 @ Intel 82801IB ICH9 - High Definition Audio Controller
    Monitor(s) Displays
    1
    Screen Resolution
    1280x800
    Hard Drives
    Samsung SSD 850 EVO 250GB SATA Device (250 GB, SATA-III)
    Internet Speed
    VDSL 50 Mbps
    Browser
    MICROSOFT EDGE
    Antivirus
    WINDOWS DEFENDER
    Other Info
    Legacy MBR installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, no WDDM 2.0 graphics drivers, no SSE4.2, cannot get more unsupported ;) This is only my test laptop. I had installed Windows 11 here before upgrading my main PC. For my main PC I use everyday see my 2nd system specs.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro v25H2 (build 26200.8457)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom-built PC
    CPU
    Intel Core-i7 3770 3.40GHz s1155 (3rd generation)
    Motherboard
    Asus P8H61 s1155 ATX
    Memory
    2x Kingston Hyper-X Blu 8GB DDR3-1600
    Graphics card(s)
    GIGABYTE GeForce RTX 3050 WINDFORCE OC V2 6GB (GV-N3050WF2OCV2-6GD)
    Sound Card
    Realtek HD audio (ALC887)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia KDL-19L4000 19" LCD TV via VGA
    Screen Resolution
    1440x900 32-bit 60Hz
    Hard Drives
    WD Blue SA510 2.5 1000GB SSD as system disk, Western Digital Caviar Purple 4TB SATA III (WD40PURZ) as second
    PSU
    Thermaltake Litepower RGB 550W Full Wired
    Case
    SUPERCASE MIDI-TOWER
    Cooling
    Deepcool Gamma Archer CPU cooler, 1x 8cm fan at the back
    Keyboard
    Mitsumi 101-key PS/2
    Mouse
    Sunnyline OptiEye PS/2
    Internet Speed
    100Mbps
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge, Mozilla Firefox
    Antivirus
    Microsoft Windows Defender
    Other Info
    Legacy BIOS (MBR) installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, WDDM 3.0 graphics drivers, WEI score 7.4
The Pool Man said:
Hmm TraderJoeGary -- no buying. If it's such a low priority, why introduce the settings app at all? I've worked in software too and if it takes over 9 years to introduce a complete Settings app, Microsoft is inept.
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All I can say is that I've never given it much thought, nor has it bothered me. Quite frankly I'm hard pressed to remember the last time I actually used Control Panel.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell XPS 16 DA16260
    CPU
    Intel Series 3 Core Ultra X9 388H
    Memory
    64GB LPDDR5x 9600 MT/s
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel Arc graphics B390 Panther Lake
    Monitor(s) Displays
    16" 3.2K Tandem OLED Infinity Edge
    Screen Resolution
    3200 x 2000 16:10 236 PPI
    Hard Drives
    1 Terabyte M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD
    Case
    Black Anodized Aluminum
    Cooling
    Vapor Chamber Cooling
    Mouse
    None
    Internet Speed
    942 Mbps Netgear Mesh + 2 Satellites
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge (Chromium)
    Antivirus
    Windows Security (Defender)
    Other Info
    NPU delivering 67 TOPS
    Microsoft 365 subscription
    Microsoft OneDrive 1TB Cloud
    Microsoft Visual Studio
    Microsoft Visual Studio Code
    Microsoft Sysinternals Suite
    Microsoft BitLocker
    Microsoft Copilot
    Dell Support Assist
    Dell Command | Update
    Macrium Reflect X subscription
    1Password Password Manager
    Amazon Kindle for PC
    Lightroom/Photoshop subscription
    Interactive Brokers Trader Workstation
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Microsoft Surface Laptop 7
    CPU
    Snapdragon® X Elite (12 Core) with Hexagon NPU delivering 45 TOPS
    Memory
    32GB LPDDR5x 8448 MT/s
    Graphics card(s)
    Integrated Adreno GPU
    Sound Card
    Omnisonic speakers with Dolby Atmos spatial sound
    Monitor(s) Displays
    13.8″ PixelSense Flow touchscreen 120 Hz 600 NIT
    Screen Resolution
    2304 × 1536 (201 PPI), 3:2 aspect ratio
    Hard Drives
    1 TB PCIe NVMe Gen 4 SSD
    Case
    Black Anodized Aluminum
    Cooling
    Vapor Chamber Cooling
    Mouse
    None
    Internet Speed
    942 Mbps Netgear Mesh + 2 Satellites
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge (Chromium)
    Antivirus
    Windows Security (Defender)
    Other Info
    Microsoft 365 subscription (Office)
    Microsoft OneDrive 1TB Cloud
    Microsoft Visual Studio 2026
    Microsoft Visual Studio Code
    Interactive Brokers Trader Workstation
    Lightroom/Photoshop subscription
    1Password Password Manager
    Microsoft Sysinternals
    Amazon Kindle for PC
    Microsoft BitLocker
    Microsoft Copilot
TraderGary said:
Having come from a background of corporate software development, I can tell you that when you are making a product ready to meet a deadline, there is a hierarchy of priorities. The Control Panel still works just fine. My guess would be that replacing it would have a very low priority. Delivering an OS that has as few bugs as possible would have a very high priority.
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The Pool Man said:
Hmm TraderJoeGary -- no buying. If it's such a low priority, why introduce the settings app at all? I've worked in software too and if it takes over 9 years to introduce a complete Settings app, Microsoft is inept.
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There is also the issue of Control Panel applets that aren't bog-standard Windows: third-party applets and Microsoft's own.

Oracle (Java) had one, along with Adobe Flash (rememeber Flash? good riddance), QuickTime, Intel, NVIDIA, RealTek. Even Microsoft's own Configuration Manager product (SCCM/MEMCM/MECM/whatever) has a Control Panel applet for which there is no Settings equivalent.

It takes a long time to get a huge entity like Microsoft to move. Even longer for third parties to move at their behest.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 25H2
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Intel NUC12WSHi7
    CPU
    12th Gen Core i7-1260P
    Motherboard
    NUC12WSBi7
    Memory
    64 GB Micron PC4-25600
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel Iris Xe Graphics
    Sound Card
    on-board Realtek HD Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Dell U3219Q
    Screen Resolution
    3840 x 2160
    Hard Drives
    Samsung SSD 990 PRO 1TB
    Crucial MX500 2 TB
    Antivirus
    Microsoft Defender
spapakons said:
Just make sure it has the features you want (CPU, RAM, SSD, battery) as with any other computer you buy. You shouldn't worry about Windows, as long as it is a standard desktop version and not a ridiculously limited one such as Windows RT (8 for ARM) or Windows 10/11 for ARM. If it comes with Windows 8 or 10, just format and install Windows 11. Make sure you download all the drivers from manufacturer in advance. Even if Windows Update finds all the drivers automatically, you will see a huge difference in performance if you manually install all drivers from manufacturer. For tablets that lose touch or rotation functionality after driver updates, simply install the chipset (platform) drivers from manufacturer to restore them, no other driver works.
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Thanks for the detailed reply. I know I'm definitely going to be performing the needed driver installs and when I do my clean install. Is there anything else to know about the form-factor? You mentioned your model was heavy.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP Pavilion Laptop 15-cw1xxx
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 5 3500U with Radeon Vega Mobile Gfx
    Memory
    8.00 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    AMD Radeon(TM) Vega 8 Graphics
    Sound Card
    Realtek High Definition Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Generic PnP Monitor
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    LITEON CV8-8E128-HP (SSD)
    WDC WD10SPZX-60Z10T0 (Hard Drive)
    PSU
    Microsoft ACPI-Compliant Control Method Battery
    Case
    Proprietary HP Pavilion Laptop 15 shell
    Cooling
    Active Fan Cooling
    Keyboard
    Standard PS/2 Keyboard
    Mouse
    ELAN Clickpad
    Internet Speed
    35.50 Mbps download 23.44 Mbps upload
    Browser
    Edge
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 24h2
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Apple iMac "Core i5" 2.7 21.5" (Late 2012)
    CPU
    Intel® Core™ i5-3330S Processor
    Motherboard
    Ivy Bridge (LGA 1155)
    Memory
    8.00 GB DDR3 1600 MHz
    Graphics card(s)
    NVIDIA GeForce GT 640M
    Sound Card
    Cirrus Logic CS4206B (AB 90)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Generic Monitor (iMac)
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    APPLE HDD HTS541010A9E662 (Hard Drive 1TB)
    PSU
    Integrated
    Case
    iMac Aluminum Body
    Cooling
    Fan
    Keyboard
    HP SK-2085
    Mouse
    Lenovo
    Internet Speed
    90.8 Mbps download 23.4 Mbps upload
    Browser
    Google Chrome
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
Edwin said:
I think W11 is a great performer..., there are limitations in certain areas out of the box, but, if they continue to let me use 3rd party utilities, I'm good! :cool:
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I'm new to W11 which came preinstalled in mny new laptop and I do not like it as well as W10. I've eliminated most of the annoyances so It is working OK now. But I would love to hear which 3rd party utilities you find most useful.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 home version 10.0.22631 Build 22631
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Asus/zenbook 14 UX34055MA Q425MA
    CPU
    Intel 7 ultra 155H, 3800 Mhz, 16 Cores, 22 logical proc
    Motherboard
    ASUTEK
    Memory
    16
    Hard Drives
    1TB

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Asus TUF Gaming F16 (2024)
    CPU
    i7 13650HX
    Memory
    16GB DDR5
    Graphics Card(s)
    GeForce RTX 4060 Mobile
    Sound Card
    Eastern Electric MiniMax DAC Supreme; Emotiva UMC-200; Astell & Kern AK240
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia XR-55X90J
    Screen Resolution
    3840×2160
    Hard Drives
    512GB SSD internal
    37TB external
    PSU
    Li-ion
    Cooling
    2× Arc Flow Fans, 4× exhaust vents, 5× heatpipes
    Keyboard
    Logitech K800
    Mouse
    Logitech G402
    Internet Speed
    30Mbit/s up, 500Mbit/s down
    Browser
    FF
    Antivirus
    What's an antivirus?
  • Operating System
    11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Medion S15450
    CPU
    i5 1135G7
    Memory
    16GB DDR4
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel Iris Xe
    Sound Card
    Eastern Electric MiniMax DAC Supreme; Emotiva UMC-200; Astell & Kern AK240
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia XR-55X90J
    Screen Resolution
    3840×2160
    Hard Drives
    2TB SSD internal
    37TB external
    PSU
    Li-ion
    Keyboard
    Logitech K800
    Mouse
    Logitech G402
    Internet Speed
    30Mbit/s up, 500Mbit/s down
    Browser
    FF
DennyZenny said:
Thanks for the detailed reply. I know I'm definitely going to be performing the needed driver installs and when I do my clean install. Is there anything else to know about the form-factor? You mentioned your model was heavy.
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The smaller is 7" but is more limited in performance. Then is 8", 9.5" and 10.1" The larger screen the easier to see and higher resolution but it gets heavier. See the weight of the device before buying. If there is an open box and you can take it in your hands, even better. Generally the larger the more powerful but there are exceptions.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 (5699), 25H2 (8457)
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Extensa 5630EZ
    CPU
    Mobile DualCore Intel Core 2 Duo T7250, 2000 MHz
    Motherboard
    Acer Extensa 5630
    Memory
    4GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Mobile Intel(R) GMA 4500M (Mobile 4 series)
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC268 @ Intel 82801IB ICH9 - High Definition Audio Controller
    Monitor(s) Displays
    1
    Screen Resolution
    1280x800
    Hard Drives
    Samsung SSD 850 EVO 250GB SATA Device (250 GB, SATA-III)
    Internet Speed
    VDSL 50 Mbps
    Browser
    MICROSOFT EDGE
    Antivirus
    WINDOWS DEFENDER
    Other Info
    Legacy MBR installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, no WDDM 2.0 graphics drivers, no SSE4.2, cannot get more unsupported ;) This is only my test laptop. I had installed Windows 11 here before upgrading my main PC. For my main PC I use everyday see my 2nd system specs.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro v25H2 (build 26200.8457)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom-built PC
    CPU
    Intel Core-i7 3770 3.40GHz s1155 (3rd generation)
    Motherboard
    Asus P8H61 s1155 ATX
    Memory
    2x Kingston Hyper-X Blu 8GB DDR3-1600
    Graphics card(s)
    GIGABYTE GeForce RTX 3050 WINDFORCE OC V2 6GB (GV-N3050WF2OCV2-6GD)
    Sound Card
    Realtek HD audio (ALC887)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia KDL-19L4000 19" LCD TV via VGA
    Screen Resolution
    1440x900 32-bit 60Hz
    Hard Drives
    WD Blue SA510 2.5 1000GB SSD as system disk, Western Digital Caviar Purple 4TB SATA III (WD40PURZ) as second
    PSU
    Thermaltake Litepower RGB 550W Full Wired
    Case
    SUPERCASE MIDI-TOWER
    Cooling
    Deepcool Gamma Archer CPU cooler, 1x 8cm fan at the back
    Keyboard
    Mitsumi 101-key PS/2
    Mouse
    Sunnyline OptiEye PS/2
    Internet Speed
    100Mbps
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge, Mozilla Firefox
    Antivirus
    Microsoft Windows Defender
    Other Info
    Legacy BIOS (MBR) installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, WDDM 3.0 graphics drivers, WEI score 7.4
DennyZenny said:
I've been thinking about getting a used surface or some other 2 in 1 pc from ebay. Its main purpose is for use in school and to study. I'm not really interested in iPads. Is there Anything that you noticed, or think one should be cautious about when seeking out a hybrid?
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The used ones very often are sold off because they have various types of issues. Also I don't know what your budget is like, but I would be more inclined to look for top deals like this:
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Asus TUF Gaming F16 (2024)
    CPU
    i7 13650HX
    Memory
    16GB DDR5
    Graphics Card(s)
    GeForce RTX 4060 Mobile
    Sound Card
    Eastern Electric MiniMax DAC Supreme; Emotiva UMC-200; Astell & Kern AK240
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia XR-55X90J
    Screen Resolution
    3840×2160
    Hard Drives
    512GB SSD internal
    37TB external
    PSU
    Li-ion
    Cooling
    2× Arc Flow Fans, 4× exhaust vents, 5× heatpipes
    Keyboard
    Logitech K800
    Mouse
    Logitech G402
    Internet Speed
    30Mbit/s up, 500Mbit/s down
    Browser
    FF
    Antivirus
    What's an antivirus?
  • Operating System
    11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Medion S15450
    CPU
    i5 1135G7
    Memory
    16GB DDR4
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel Iris Xe
    Sound Card
    Eastern Electric MiniMax DAC Supreme; Emotiva UMC-200; Astell & Kern AK240
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia XR-55X90J
    Screen Resolution
    3840×2160
    Hard Drives
    2TB SSD internal
    37TB external
    PSU
    Li-ion
    Keyboard
    Logitech K800
    Mouse
    Logitech G402
    Internet Speed
    30Mbit/s up, 500Mbit/s down
    Browser
    FF
Mike7 (OP) is a troll. He made this one post, never replied resulting in 137 comments!
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Self build
    CPU
    Core i7-13700K
    Motherboard
    Asus TUF Gaming Plus WiFi Z790
    Memory
    64 GB Kingston Fury Beast DDR5
    Graphics Card(s)
    Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2060 Super Gaming OC 8G
    Sound Card
    Realtek S1200A
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Viewsonic VP2770 & Dell (secondary)
    Screen Resolution
    2560 x 1440
    Hard Drives
    Kingston KC3000 2TB NVME SSD & SATA HDDs & SSD
    PSU
    EVGA SuperNova G2 850W
    Case
    Nanoxia Deep Silence 1
    Cooling
    Noctua NH-D14
    Keyboard
    Microsoft Digital Media Pro
    Mouse
    Logitech Wireless
    Internet Speed
    80 Mb / s
    Browser
    Chrome
    Antivirus
    Defender, Malwarebytes Free & AdwCleaner
TryingHard said:
I'm new to W11 which came preinstalled in mny new laptop and I do not like it as well as W10. I've eliminated most of the annoyances so It is working OK now. But I would love to hear which 3rd party utilities you find most useful.
Click to expand...
There is a thread or two somewhere that members posted this in. I can’t recall where it is. @Ghot may know.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 25H2 Build 26200.8524
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Sin-built 2013
    CPU
    Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4770K CPU @ 3.50GHz
    Motherboard
    ASUS ROG Maximus VI Formula
    Memory
    32.0 GB of I forget and the box is in storage.
    Graphics Card(s)
    Gigabyte nVidia GeForce GTX 1660 Super OC 6GB
    Sound Card
    Onboard thingy
    Monitor(s) Displays
    5 x LG 25MS500-B - 1 x 24MK430H-B - 1 x Wacom Pro 22" Touch Screen Tablet
    Screen Resolution
    All over the place
    Hard Drives
    Too many to list.
    OS on Samsung 1TB 870 QVO SATA
    PSU
    Silverstone 1500
    Case
    NZXT Phantom 820 Full-Tower Case
    Cooling
    Noctua NH-D15 Elite Class Dual Tower CPU Cooler / 6 x EziDIY 120mm / 2 x Corsair 140mm somethings / 1 x 140mm Thermaltake something / 2 x 200mm Corsair.
    Keyboard
    Corsair K95 / Logitech diNovo Edge Wireless
    Mouse
    Logitech: G402 / G502 / Mx Masters / Mx Air Cordless
    Internet Speed
    2000/500Mbps
    Browser
    All sorts
    Antivirus
    Kaspersky Premium
    Other Info
    ㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀
    TP-Link BE9300 WiFi 7 Bluetooth 5.4 (Archer TBE550E)
    TP-Link TX201 V1 2.5GB Lan

    Grandstream HT812 - VoIP
    ASUS DSL-AX82U - Mesh
    ASUS RT-AC68U - Mesh
    ASUS RT-BE88U Router

    Brother MFC-L2880DW Printer

    I’m on a horse.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro 25H2 Build 26200.8524
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    LENOVO Yoga 7 14IRL8 - 7i EVO OLED 14" Touchscreen i5 12 Core 16GB/512GB
    CPU
    Intel Core 12th Gen i5-1240P Processor (1.7 - 4.4GHz)
    Memory
    16GB LPDDR5 RAM
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel Iris Xe Graphics Processor
    Sound Card
    Optimized with Dolby Atmos®
    Screen Resolution
    QHD 2880 x 1800 OLED
    Hard Drives
    M.2 512GB
    Antivirus
    Defender / Malwarebytes
    Other Info
    …still on a horse.

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 25H2 26200.8524
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acemagic LX15PRO
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 7 5825U with Radeon Graphics
    Memory
    16GB
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    SSD 2TB
    Internet Speed
    30 Mbps
    Browser
    Brave
    Antivirus
    Webroot Secure Anywhere
    Other Info
    System 3

    Acer Swift SF114-34 laptop
    OS Windows 11 Pro 26200.8524
    CPU Pentium Silver N6000
    RAM 4GB
    SSD Samsung 970 EVO Plus SSD 2TB (an upgrade)
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 22631.2506
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP Mini 210-1090NR PC (bought in late 2009!)
    CPU
    Atom N450 1.66GHz
    Memory
    2GB
    Browser
    Brave
    Antivirus
    Webroot
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