Ergonomic Keyboard and Mouse Recommendations?


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I've been developing some hand, wrist, and forearm pain recently and so I'm looking for ways to mitigate that.

I've been using wrist braces and have tried stretching, icing, etc. I plan to go to a doctor soon to see what's recommended.

In the meantime, I've been wondering about my posture and/or if my keyboard and mouse are causing any strain.

Does anyone have any recommendations on great ergonomic keyboard and mice they've used that they love?

The main thing I care about is extremely low latency/response time. I don't want a laggy mouse or keyboard.

Thanks in advance!
 

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I would wait and see what the doctor says. You could have RSI or arthritis, or something else.

Thing you need to know is if you are getting back and neck pain as well? Can you notice when the wrist ache becomes more sore - is it when using the keyboard or mouse? Or is it generally always quite sore ...

In terms of mouse and keyboard, I like heavy mouse and stiff mechanical keyboard, as I feel they exercises the muscles more. Nothing else.
 

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I second the use of a mechanical keyboard. I have one with linear switches and they are a lot easier on my fingers than my old crappy keyboard. I also don't get as much wrist pain since I bought it. It's a Logitech G815 wired, so no latency or lag.

As for the mouse, perhaps one of the trackball "mice" might suit you better than a regular mouse. One of my co-workers has one and he says that he doesn't get neck and shoulder pain anymore since he has been using it. They do take a little getting used to though.

I hope you find something that works for you.
 

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I would wait and see what the doctor says. You could have RSI or arthritis, or something else.

Thing you need to know is if you are getting back and neck pain as well? Can you notice when the wrist ache becomes more sore - is it when using the keyboard or mouse? Or is it generally always quite sore ...

In terms of mouse and keyboard, I like heavy mouse and stiff mechanical keyboard, as I feel they exercises the muscles more. Nothing else.
Good idea! Yeah I have neck and back pain too.
I second the use of a mechanical keyboard. I have one with linear switches and they are a lot easier on my fingers than my old crappy keyboard. I also don't get as much wrist pain since I bought it. It's a Logitech G815 wired, so no latency or lag.

As for the mouse, perhaps one of the trackball "mice" might suit you better than a regular mouse. One of my co-workers has one and he says that he doesn't get neck and shoulder pain anymore since he has been using it. They do take a little getting used to though.

I hope you find something that works for you.
Yes! I use a WASD V3 Custom Mechanical Keyboard with Cherry MX Brown Keyswitches and a Logitech M720 Triathlon Mouse currently, probably for the last two years or so.
 

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I've been developing some hand, wrist, and forearm pain recently
It could be arthritis. I have basically the same symptoms on right arm. My problem started out as trigger thumb. When they did the X-rays, they found that I also had arthritis. Now I have mild pain in the lower part of my thumb to about 6' up my arm. (just on the thumb side). I also find myself dropping small objects a lot. When I overdo it and when using the mouse, it happens often, I use an over-the-counter pain medication. It's not a cure but it does help. I do recommend seeing a doctor to make sure what it is.
 

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Has anyone tried the Logitech MX Vertical Advanced Ergonomic Mouse?

It's supposed to be good for overcoming and/or avoiding wrist pain due to the natural handshake position that your hand is in when using it, as opposed to regular mice where your hand is facing down.

 

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The first thing you should do is to be sure your posture is correct. Sit up straight, butt to the back of the chair, back straight, and with eyes "looking" straight ahead at the monitor.

I use the Logitech Wave keyboard/mouse combo. When I'm typing, my elbows are tucked into my waist with hands turned slightly to the center of the keyboard. I also use a mouse pad with a raised area for my wrist to lay on.

It took some time for the carpal tunnel like symptoms to disappear, but they did. You might want to try the mouse @Stigg recommends, although the mouse that came with my Wave keyboard works well for me.

My doc put me into a wrist brace which worked OK, but slowed my typing down so much I couldn't meet production (worked for Texaco), although I did speed up after awhile.

Yes, you should see a doctor, but the problem with that is that doctors aren't all that familiar with problems working on a computer can cause.

Here's a site that may help you until you get to your doctor. Eight Ergonomic Tips for Keyboard and Mouse Setup - Your Body Posture
 

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There is another good idea when you find that your mouse use is giving you problems with your hand, wrist and shoulder.

Switch over to the other hand. If you're normally a right handed mouse user, get yourself a good left handed mouse. Switch the buttons over so that the same fingers are used. For example. Set it up so the index finger is used for both the left and right handed mouse clicks. You'll be surprised just how quickly you can become efficient at using a mouse in the other hand.

Keep both the left and right handed mice connected, so you can easily switch between the two.
Install EitherMouse. It allows you to easily switch between the two mice. It can even swap buttons and inverse the cursor arrow for you, and much more.

EitherMouse
Instantly changes settings when any mouse is used:
  • Swap buttons
  • Mirror cursor
  • Adjust speeds
  • and more...

  • Leave multiple mice on a pc and automatically swap buttons on each mouse.​
  • Have a left-handed and a right-handed mouse always connected and ready to use.​
  • Match speeds across different mice, ie touchpad and mouse with different speeds.​
  • Accommodate left-handed and right handed users easily on multi-user or public workstations.​
  • Helps prevent RSI/injury issues by allowing seamless switching between hands.​
  • Quickly change mouse settings from system tray if only one mouse is used.​
Freeware! No ads, no nags, free software, suggestions appreciated!
 

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Has anyone tried the Logitech MX Vertical Advanced Ergonomic Mouse?

It's supposed to be good for overcoming and/or avoiding wrist pain due to the natural handshake position that your hand is in when using it, as opposed to regular mice where your hand is facing down.

I have one, and it helped sort the epicondylitis I had developed through years of normal mouse use. However, it is nowhere near the quality of the MX master range and it is pretty lightweight with a normal scroll wheel (not hyper scroll). I reverted back to my MX master 3 as soon as my elbows had recovered.
 

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I have one, and it helped sort the epicondylitis I had developed through years of normal mouse use. However, it is nowhere near the quality of the MX master range and it is pretty lightweight with a normal scroll wheel (not hyper scroll). I reverted back to my MX master 3 as soon as my elbows had recovered.
There is another similar mouse called Logitech Lift Vertical Ergonomic Mouse.
It has both left and right handed versions.

But I really believe to get the best relief is to do what I said in my previous post #8.
It works wonders.
 

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Yeah, you would need to check the reviews comparing them, I can't see the cheaper one being better than the original flagship version.
 

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    i7
I've had three wrist surgeries and a shoulder surgery.
Don't underestimate the damage that continuous mouse use can cause when you're working on computers every day.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Stigg's Build
    CPU
    Intel Core i9-10900X
    Motherboard
    GIGABYTE X299X DESIGNARE 10G
    Memory
    Corsair 64 GB (4 x 16 GB) CMW64GX4M4C3000C15 Vengeance RGB Pro 3000Mhz DDR4
    Graphics Card(s)
    GIGABYTE GeForce GTX 1660 Super Mini ITX 6 GB OC
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC1220
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung 27" FHD LED FreeSync Gaming Monitor (LS27F350FHEXXY)
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 970 Pro Series 1TB M.2 2280 NVMe SSD
    Western Digital Red Pro WD8003FFBX-68B9AN0 8 TB, 7200 RPM, SATA-III
    Western Digital Red Pro WD8003FFBX-68B9AN0 8 TB, 7200 RPM, SATA-III
    PSU
    Corsair HX1200 1200W 80 Plus Platinum
    Case
    Fractal Design Define 7 Black Solid Case
    Cooling
    Noctua NH-D15 Chromax Black
    Keyboard
    Razer Ornata V2
    Mouse
    Razer DeathAdder Essential
    Internet Speed
    FTTN 100Mbps / 40Mbps
    Browser
    Mozilla Firefox
    Antivirus
    N/A
    Other Info
    Logitech BRIO 4k Ultra HD USB-C Webcam
  • Operating System
    Windows 10 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    ASUS ROG Zephyrus M GM501GS
    CPU
    Core i7-8750H
    Motherboard
    Zephyrus M GM501GS
    Memory
    SK Hynix 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) HMA82GS6CJR8N-VK 16 GB DDR4-2666 DDR4 SDRAM
    Graphics card(s)
    NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC294
    Monitor(s) Displays
    AU Optronics B156HAN07.1 [15.6" LCD]
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    Samsung MZVKW512HMJP-00000 512 GB, PCI-E 3.0 x4
    Samsung SSD 860 QVO 4TB 4 TB, SATA-III
    PSU
    N/A
    Case
    N/A
    Cooling
    N/A
    Mouse
    Razer DeathAdder Essential
    Keyboard
    PC/AT Enhanced PS2 Keyboard (101/102-Key)
    Internet Speed
    FTTN 100Mbps / 40Mbps
    Browser
    Mozilla Firefox
    Antivirus
    N/A
    Other Info
    USB2.0 HD UVC Webcam
There is another similar mouse called Logitech Lift Vertical Ergonomic Mouse.
It has both left and right handed versions.

But I really believe to get the best relief is to do what I said in my previous post #8.
It works wonders.
The MX Vertical is for medium to large hands. The Lift is for small hands. They have a size chart on the web page.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Canary Channel
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    PowerSpec B746
    CPU
    Intel Core i7-10700K
    Motherboard
    ASRock Z490 Phantom Gaming 4/ax
    Memory
    16GB (8GB PC4-19200 DDR4 SDRAM x2)
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 TI
    Sound Card
    Realtek Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung SAM0A87 Samsung SAM0D32
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    NVMe WDC WDS100T2B0C-00PXH0 1TB
    Samsung SSD 860 EVO 1TB
    PSU
    750 Watts (62.5A)
    Case
    PowerSpec/Lian Li ATX 205
    Keyboard
    Logitech K270
    Mouse
    Logitech M185
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge and Firefox
    Antivirus
    ESET Internet Security
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Canary Channel
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    PowerSpec G156
    CPU
    Intel Core i5-8400 CPU @ 2.80GHz
    Motherboard
    AsusTeK Prime B360M-S
    Memory
    16 MB DDR 4-2666
    Monitor(s) Displays
    23" Speptre HDMI 75Hz
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 970 EVO 500GB NVMe
    Mouse
    Logitek M185
    Keyboard
    Logitek K270
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge and Edge Canary
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
The MX Vertical is for medium to large hands. The Lift is for small hands. They have a size chart on the web page.
Good info. (y)
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Stigg's Build
    CPU
    Intel Core i9-10900X
    Motherboard
    GIGABYTE X299X DESIGNARE 10G
    Memory
    Corsair 64 GB (4 x 16 GB) CMW64GX4M4C3000C15 Vengeance RGB Pro 3000Mhz DDR4
    Graphics Card(s)
    GIGABYTE GeForce GTX 1660 Super Mini ITX 6 GB OC
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC1220
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung 27" FHD LED FreeSync Gaming Monitor (LS27F350FHEXXY)
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 970 Pro Series 1TB M.2 2280 NVMe SSD
    Western Digital Red Pro WD8003FFBX-68B9AN0 8 TB, 7200 RPM, SATA-III
    Western Digital Red Pro WD8003FFBX-68B9AN0 8 TB, 7200 RPM, SATA-III
    PSU
    Corsair HX1200 1200W 80 Plus Platinum
    Case
    Fractal Design Define 7 Black Solid Case
    Cooling
    Noctua NH-D15 Chromax Black
    Keyboard
    Razer Ornata V2
    Mouse
    Razer DeathAdder Essential
    Internet Speed
    FTTN 100Mbps / 40Mbps
    Browser
    Mozilla Firefox
    Antivirus
    N/A
    Other Info
    Logitech BRIO 4k Ultra HD USB-C Webcam
  • Operating System
    Windows 10 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    ASUS ROG Zephyrus M GM501GS
    CPU
    Core i7-8750H
    Motherboard
    Zephyrus M GM501GS
    Memory
    SK Hynix 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) HMA82GS6CJR8N-VK 16 GB DDR4-2666 DDR4 SDRAM
    Graphics card(s)
    NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC294
    Monitor(s) Displays
    AU Optronics B156HAN07.1 [15.6" LCD]
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    Samsung MZVKW512HMJP-00000 512 GB, PCI-E 3.0 x4
    Samsung SSD 860 QVO 4TB 4 TB, SATA-III
    PSU
    N/A
    Case
    N/A
    Cooling
    N/A
    Mouse
    Razer DeathAdder Essential
    Keyboard
    PC/AT Enhanced PS2 Keyboard (101/102-Key)
    Internet Speed
    FTTN 100Mbps / 40Mbps
    Browser
    Mozilla Firefox
    Antivirus
    N/A
    Other Info
    USB2.0 HD UVC Webcam
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