Just upgraded this am to 11 pro on a PC which wont pass for 3 things, UEFI, CPU and TPM


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Was very easy and quick. I downloaded win11 install using media creation tool, mounted by clicking ISO file.
Copied all files to folder on desktop.
In sources folder, deleted appraiserres.dll

Ran the setup, told it NOT to check for updates.
It is all working so far.

Found the method in this video
 

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Well done, welcome to the forums
 

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Also no slowdown in the PC that I can see.
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I think these types of threads have been posted so many times
 

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I think these types of threads have been posted so many times
And they are mostly unusable, one I was viewing had over 600 posts, could not understand what they had done at all.
I made sure my thread told people it works for UEFI, secure boot, TMP, CPU not compatible with exact instructions. Sorry but I just had to share how I did it!
 

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That's fine, I see your point about other threads they do get side-tracked to other things, then a few posts of squabbling :) so you don't what is going on. There are several guides of how to upgrade incompatible machines on the forum and so many people have done it or know how to
 

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Hello, @sdowney717.

Welcome to ElevenForum.

Thank you for posting the video. And good luck with Win 11. :wink:
 

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Hello! There is no need to copy all files, if you run Setup they are copied anyway in the hidden folder C:\$Windows.~BT. All you have to do is to delete the file C:\$Windows.~BT\sources\appraiserres.dll before proceeding with the upgrade. Set to show hidden files to see the folder.
 

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Hello! There is no need to copy all files, if you run Setup they are copied anyway in the hidden folder C:\$Windows.~BT. All you have to do is to delete the file C:\$Windows.~BT\sources\appraiserres.dll before proceeding with the upgrade. Set to show hidden files to see the folder.
I was wondering why the video says to copy the folder to the desktop?
Is doing that less geeky as otherwise you need that file deleted in the hidden folder?

So you cannot mount the iso, delete the appraisers.dll file, then install direct from the mounted iso? As they are copied to a hidden folder?
 

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The mounted ISO is treated like a DVD (read-only), so you cannot change that directly. That's why the video suggests to copy all files to a folder. But we are better than that :wink: we delete the file directly from the setup cache (the C:\$Windows.~BT\sources folder). I have done it many times, always worked.
 

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The mounted ISO is treated like a DVD (read-only), so you cannot change that directly. That's why the video suggests to copy all files to a folder. But we are better than that :wink: we delete the file directly from the setup cache (the C:\$Windows.~BT\sources folder). I have done it many times, always worked.
I see, so when does the hidden folder get created?
After you hit setup?
So when the setup screen appears, go to the hidden folder to delete that dll?
 

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I see, so when does the hidden folder get created?
After you hit setup?
So when the setup screen appears, go to the hidden folder to delete that dll?
Yes
 

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When you hit setup you see a window with a progress counter. When it reaches 100% it shows the Setup window, Before doing anything else, delete the file. To avoid Windows Update messing with your drivers, click on the text "Change how..." to reveal a selection and then select No, do not use Windows Update during installation. You can then proceed.
 

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I really get now why the video suggest copying the iso to the desktop. It is going to be simpler for non computery people to accomplish.
I know lots of people who just are not very good with computers and doing anything unusual is a big step, maybe a step too far for them.
Easy enough though for computer OS knowledgeable people

Yes, you must not select update setup files as it will download the dll file and prevent the upgrade
 

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It might not download the file, but it might screw your drivers and produce a BSOD, why risk it? "If it works, don't fix it", as wise people say.
 

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    Asus P8H61 s1155 ATX
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    2x Kingston Hyper-X Blu 8GB DDR3-1600
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It might not download the file, but it might screw your drivers and produce a BSOD, why risk it? "If it works, don't fix it", as wise people say.
What is that in reference to?
I installed as the video said by copying the mounted iso onto the desktop, and nothing got wrecked.
In the setup dialog, I told it not to update the files, I tried first saying update the files and it restores the appraires.dll file and the upgrade fails.
And there is alway windows update after an install for new 'improved' files.
 

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For relatively new computer Windows Update can find drivers or just leave those already installed. For older systems it might not always find all drivers and get stuck. Or it might install a driver that is not 100% appropriate for the device and produce a BSOD. I would rather not use Windows Update during installation, even for new systems. You can update all drivers afterwards.
 

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    Mobile DualCore Intel Core 2 Duo T7250, 2000 MHz
    Motherboard
    Acer Extensa 5630
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    Mobile Intel(R) GMA 4500M (Mobile 4 series)
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    Legacy MBR installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, no WDDM 2.0 graphics drivers, cannot get more unsupported ;) This is only my test laptop. I had installed Windows 11 here before upgrading my main PC. For my main PC I use everyday see my 2nd system specs.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro v22H2 (build 22621.1194)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom-built PC
    CPU
    Intel Core-i7 3770 3.40GHz s1155 (3rd generation)
    Motherboard
    Asus P8H61 s1155 ATX
    Memory
    2x Kingston Hyper-X Blu 8GB DDR3-1600
    Graphics card(s)
    Gainward NE5105T018G1-1070F (nVidia GeForce GTX 1050Ti 4GB GDDR5)
    Sound Card
    Realtek HD audio (ALC887)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia KDL-19L4000 19" LCD TV via VGA
    Screen Resolution
    1440x900 32-bit 60Hz
    Hard Drives
    Patriot Burst Elite 480GB SSD as system disk, Western Digital Caviar Purple 4TB SATA III (WD40PURZ) as second
    PSU
    Thermaltake Litepower RGB 550W Full Wired
    Case
    SUPERCASE MIDI-TOWER
    Cooling
    Stock Intel CPU Fan, 1x 8cm fan at the back
    Mouse
    Sunnyline OptiEye PS/2
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    Mitsumi 101-key PS/2
    Internet Speed
    100Mbps
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You got this running a computer running on traditional BIOS? I didn't think Windows 11 would run on that.
 

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    Manufacturer/Model
    MSI GF63 Thin 9SC
    CPU
    Intel Core i5 @ 2.40GHz Coffee Lake 14nm Technology
    Memory
    32 GB DDR4 Kingston HyperX Impact
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 860 EVO 2 TB SATA M.2 Solid State Drive
    Crucial MX500 TB Solid State Drive
    Mouse
    Redragon M652-BA Wireless Gaming Mouse
    Browser
    Mozilla Firefox
    Antivirus
    Kaspersky Total Security

sdowney717

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You got this running a computer running on traditional BIOS? I didn't think Windows 11 would run on that.

YES, legacy bios, no UEFI, PC is working fine. No TPM either. CPU not supported, it is an AMD B95.
It exhibits no change in speed or anything compared to when it ran win10
Very stable, been perfect. I did have to install the win11 nvidia driver as when walking from sleep it had a small issue, sound not working over HDMI. But ever since the driver upgrade, been perfect.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    windows 11
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    some kind of old ASUS MB
    CPU
    old AMD B95
    Motherboard
    ASUS
    Memory
    8gb
    Hard Drives
    ssd WD 500 gb

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