Solved What does Windows Defender lack, what can’t it do?


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I have a friend that has no money and cannot renew their antivirus Software. (Norton 360)
Normally I would just buy it for him as I buy software for other friends but this person is broke due to a fetish with tattoos and as a result his family goes without. I will not invest in his tattoos.

So, as I have read in here some comments from those of you who love or proffer to use Windows Defender, I was hoping you’ll could tell me:
What if anything does it lack?
Is there a best practice for running it?
If the person was to open a file, start a program or open a corrupted zip file that was malicious, what would defender do?


I probably have more questions but as I have never used anything but 3rd party software, I can’t think of them right now.

Thanks 🙏
 

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    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 Build: 22631.3374
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    PC/Desktop
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    Sin-built
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    Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4770K CPU @ 3.50GHz (4th Gen?)
    Motherboard
    ASUS ROG Maximus VI Formula
    Memory
    32.0 GB of I forget and the box is in storage.
    Graphics Card(s)
    Gigabyte nVidia GeForce GTX 1660 Super OC 6GB
    Sound Card
    Onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    4 x LG 23MP75 1 x 24" LG M38H 1 x 32" LF6300 TV Monitor 1 x Wacom Pro 22" Tablet
    Screen Resolution
    All over the place
    Hard Drives
    2 x WD something Something 8TB HDD's / 2 x WD something Something 4TB HDD's / 1 x EVO 1TB SSD / 2 x QVO 1TB SSD's / 1 x EVO 250 GB SSD / 2 x QVO 1TB (External Hub) / 1 x EVO 1TB (Portable Backup Case)
    PSU
    Silverstone 1500
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    NZXT Phantom 820 Full-Tower Case
    Cooling
    Noctua NH-D15 Elite Class Dual Tower CPU Cooler / 6 x EziDIY 120mm / 2 x Corsair 140mm somethings / 1 x 140mm Thermaltake something / 2 x 200mm Corsair.
    Keyboard
    Corsair K95 / Logitech diNovo Edge Wireless
    Mouse
    Logitech G402 / G502 / Mx Masters / MX Air Cordless
    Internet Speed
    100/40Mbps
    Browser
    All sorts
    Antivirus
    Kaspersky Premium
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    I’m on a horse.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro 22621.2215
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    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    LENOVO Yoga 7i EVO OLED 14" Touchscreen i5 12 Core 16GB/512GB
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    Intel Core 12th Gen i5-1240P Processor (1.7 - 4.4GHz)
    Memory
    16GB LPDDR5 RAM
    Graphics card(s)
    Graphics processor is an Intel Iris Xe
    Sound Card
    optimized with Dolby Atmos®
    Screen Resolution
    QHD 2880 x 1800 OLED
    Hard Drives
    M.2 512GB
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    …still on a horse.
Hi,
WD lacks tattoos hehe
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Win-7-10-11Pro's
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer 17" Nitro 7840sn/ 2x16gb 5600c40/ 4060/ stock 1tb-os/ 4tb sn850x
    CPU
    10900k & 9940x & 5930k
    Motherboard
    z490-Apex & x299-Apex & x99-Sabertooth
    Memory
    Trident-Z Royal 4000c16 2x16gb & Trident-Z 3600c16 4x8gb & 3200c14 4x8gb
    Graphics Card(s)
    Titan Xp & 1080ti FTW3 & evga 980ti gaming
    Sound Card
    Onboard Realtek x3
    Monitor(s) Displays
    1-AOC G2460PG 24"G-Sync 144Hz/ 2nd 1-ASUS VG248QE 24"/ 3rd LG 43" series
    Screen Resolution
    1920-1080 not sure what the t.v is besides 43" class scales from 1920-1080 perfectly
    Hard Drives
    2-WD-sn850x 4tb/ 970evo+500gb/ 980 pro 2tb.
    PSU
    1000p2 & 1200p2 & 850p2
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    D450 x2 & 1 Test bench in cherry Entertainment center
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    Custom water loops x3 with 2x mora 360mm rads only 980ti gaming air cooled
    Keyboard
    G710+x3
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    Redragon x3
    Internet Speed
    xfinity gigabyte
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    mbam pro
Is there a best practice for running it?
Most users, including many on this forum, probably run Defender in its default configuration. I use it with additional options enabled via GPO on Windows Pro, but for ease of use I advise this simple, portable app that can be used on Windows Home. .
ConfigureDefender
It is developed by a trusted member of another forum, utilizes Powershell to enable advanced protection features and is easy to use. If your friend is a technophobe you can install and configure for him easily. You can see a recent test results from another trusted member on another forum here:
MS Defender Test
This test and thread include additional details you might find valuable.
What if anything does it lack?
A PC "junk" cleaner, which are a waste. No password manager or other "features" some consider bloatware. I can say it lacks an AV feature like Kaspersky's System Watcher (or whatever it might be called now). Defender works in tandem with system-wide Smartscreen and Smartscreen in Edge. Users with a well-patched OS, Defender and sensible computing habits, e.g. avoid dodgy websites, downloading cracks, clicking on spam, etc. easily stay protected. Even more so if they use Edge for browsing protection.
If the person was to open a file, start a program or open a corrupted zip file that was malicious, what would defender do?
This question is too broad to answer satisfactorily. There was a recent test where Defender did not recognize a password-protected Zip file that was downloaded via a phishing email, but this was a case where the user's behavior was the source of the fault, as is often typical. The tester had to use gymnastics to actually enable the infection chain! :LOL:
Defender Bypassed: How You Got Hacked
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Lenovo IdeaPad L340
    CPU
    Intel Core i3-8145U
    Memory
    8GB
    Internet Speed
    45MB
    Browser
    Firefox | Chrome
    Antivirus
    Microsoft Defender | Block unknown executables | Various ASR rules enabled
@antspants
I am one of those users that runs Windows defender in it's default state. I think as far as antivirus/antimalware goes, it is up there with the best of them. If you configure it further, it rivals the best AV software out there at half the cost ... lol

Security, as was pointed out by @oldschool comes down to the user and their practises, but WD will help protect them just the same.

Help your friend lock it down, and your friend will be in good shape and very lucky to have a friend like you :-)
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    Ryzen 9 3900X
    Motherboard
    ASUS ROG Strix X570-E Gaming
    Memory
    G-Skill RipjawsV F4-3600C18 (16GB x 2)
    Graphics Card(s)
    Gigabyte RX 5700 XT Gaming OC
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC1220P
    Monitor(s) Displays
    ASUS VE278 (x 2)
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 850 Pro 256GB
    Samsung 970 Pro NVMe 512GB (x 2)
    ST10000VN0004 10TB (x 2)
    ST10000VN0008 10TB (x 2)
    ST4000VN000 4TB (x 2)
    PSU
    Corsair HX1000
    Case
    Corsair Carbide 400R
    Cooling
    AMD Wraith Prism (Stock)
    Keyboard
    Logitech G213
    Mouse
    Logitech G502
    Internet Speed
    100Mbps down / 40Mbps up
    Browser
    Firefox - Chrome - Edge
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender - Clamwin
Thank you very much, @oldschool & @trumpy81. You answered my questions.
I shall load ConfigureDefender on his PC and sort it out.
As far as him being cautious, I believe his fetish goes beyond his spending all his money on tattoos. @trumpy81 will confirm, tattoos are the fad in Australia, a hipster lifestyle. I’ll admit, there are some wonderful artists out there. It’s expensive and those that start on them get obsessed. This particular guy has them all the way up coving his neck. He looks like an idiot (in my opinion) but he has redeeming qualities, although harder to find these days.

My point is, I can’t say he’ll take any care. I’d like to say this isn’t my problem but it is as his wife is in fact the friend, he is a default.
Yes he is in fact a Technophobe and carelss. Every other month he brings his PC to me. The only other option would be to give him a little jaw tap, knock some sense into him, but it isn’t really my place.

Again, I appreciate the help.

@ThrashZone, if the software was Australian it would be covered in tattoos from head to toe.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 Build: 22631.3374
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Sin-built
    CPU
    Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4770K CPU @ 3.50GHz (4th Gen?)
    Motherboard
    ASUS ROG Maximus VI Formula
    Memory
    32.0 GB of I forget and the box is in storage.
    Graphics Card(s)
    Gigabyte nVidia GeForce GTX 1660 Super OC 6GB
    Sound Card
    Onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    4 x LG 23MP75 1 x 24" LG M38H 1 x 32" LF6300 TV Monitor 1 x Wacom Pro 22" Tablet
    Screen Resolution
    All over the place
    Hard Drives
    2 x WD something Something 8TB HDD's / 2 x WD something Something 4TB HDD's / 1 x EVO 1TB SSD / 2 x QVO 1TB SSD's / 1 x EVO 250 GB SSD / 2 x QVO 1TB (External Hub) / 1 x EVO 1TB (Portable Backup Case)
    PSU
    Silverstone 1500
    Case
    NZXT Phantom 820 Full-Tower Case
    Cooling
    Noctua NH-D15 Elite Class Dual Tower CPU Cooler / 6 x EziDIY 120mm / 2 x Corsair 140mm somethings / 1 x 140mm Thermaltake something / 2 x 200mm Corsair.
    Keyboard
    Corsair K95 / Logitech diNovo Edge Wireless
    Mouse
    Logitech G402 / G502 / Mx Masters / MX Air Cordless
    Internet Speed
    100/40Mbps
    Browser
    All sorts
    Antivirus
    Kaspersky Premium
    Other Info
    I’m on a horse.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro 22621.2215
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    LENOVO Yoga 7i EVO OLED 14" Touchscreen i5 12 Core 16GB/512GB
    CPU
    Intel Core 12th Gen i5-1240P Processor (1.7 - 4.4GHz)
    Memory
    16GB LPDDR5 RAM
    Graphics card(s)
    Graphics processor is an Intel Iris Xe
    Sound Card
    optimized with Dolby Atmos®
    Screen Resolution
    QHD 2880 x 1800 OLED
    Hard Drives
    M.2 512GB
    Other Info
    …still on a horse.
Tatts are popular here, but not that prevalent. I know plenty of folks that don't have any, but those that do, are covered in them ... lol

Despite my handle, Trumpy, being Australian slang for a Triumph motorcycle, I'll let you figure out what the 81 means, I don't have a single tatt anywhere :-)

My biggest issue is that, what I like today is not necessarily what I like tomorrow ... lol

I'm always undecided when it comes to art and tattoos, but like you say, there is some great art out there and I have loads of mates with tatts and I often wonder what some of them would look like on me, but I have never bitten the bullet and got one, despite all of the peer pressure.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    Ryzen 9 3900X
    Motherboard
    ASUS ROG Strix X570-E Gaming
    Memory
    G-Skill RipjawsV F4-3600C18 (16GB x 2)
    Graphics Card(s)
    Gigabyte RX 5700 XT Gaming OC
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC1220P
    Monitor(s) Displays
    ASUS VE278 (x 2)
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 850 Pro 256GB
    Samsung 970 Pro NVMe 512GB (x 2)
    ST10000VN0004 10TB (x 2)
    ST10000VN0008 10TB (x 2)
    ST4000VN000 4TB (x 2)
    PSU
    Corsair HX1000
    Case
    Corsair Carbide 400R
    Cooling
    AMD Wraith Prism (Stock)
    Keyboard
    Logitech G213
    Mouse
    Logitech G502
    Internet Speed
    100Mbps down / 40Mbps up
    Browser
    Firefox - Chrome - Edge
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender - Clamwin
I haven't used anything but defender for years. Haven't had to take any extra precautions or do anything different. I see absolutely no reason to spend money on a third party software, especially with my internet habits.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Beelink SEI8
    CPU
    Intel Core i5-8279u
    Motherboard
    AZW SEI
    Memory
    32GB DDR4 2666Mhz
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel Iris Plus 655
    Sound Card
    Intel SST
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Asus ProArt PA278QV
    Screen Resolution
    2560x1440
    Hard Drives
    512GB NVMe
    PSU
    NA
    Case
    NA
    Cooling
    NA
    Keyboard
    NA
    Mouse
    NA
    Internet Speed
    500/50
    Browser
    Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    Mini PC used for testing Windows 11.
  • Operating System
    Windows 10 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom
    CPU
    Ryzen 9 5900x
    Motherboard
    Asus Rog Strix X570-E Gaming
    Memory
    64GB DDR4-3600
    Graphics card(s)
    EVGA GeForce 3080 FT3 Ultra
    Sound Card
    Onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    ASUS TUF Gaming VG27AQ. ASUS ProArt Display PA278QV 27” WQHD
    Screen Resolution
    2560x1440
    Hard Drives
    2TB WD SN850 PCI-E Gen 4 NVMe
    2TB Sandisk Ultra 2.5" SATA SSD
    PSU
    Seasonic Focus 850
    Case
    Fractal Meshify S2 in White
    Cooling
    Dark Rock Pro CPU cooler, 3 x 140mm case fans
    Mouse
    Logitech G9 Laser Mouse
    Keyboard
    Corsiar K65 RGB Lux
    Internet Speed
    500/50
    Browser
    Chrome
    Antivirus
    Defender.
I haven't used anything but defender for years. Haven't had to take any extra precautions or do anything different. I see absolutely no reason to spend money on a third party software, especially with my internet habits.
Thank you 🙏
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 Build: 22631.3374
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Sin-built
    CPU
    Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4770K CPU @ 3.50GHz (4th Gen?)
    Motherboard
    ASUS ROG Maximus VI Formula
    Memory
    32.0 GB of I forget and the box is in storage.
    Graphics Card(s)
    Gigabyte nVidia GeForce GTX 1660 Super OC 6GB
    Sound Card
    Onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    4 x LG 23MP75 1 x 24" LG M38H 1 x 32" LF6300 TV Monitor 1 x Wacom Pro 22" Tablet
    Screen Resolution
    All over the place
    Hard Drives
    2 x WD something Something 8TB HDD's / 2 x WD something Something 4TB HDD's / 1 x EVO 1TB SSD / 2 x QVO 1TB SSD's / 1 x EVO 250 GB SSD / 2 x QVO 1TB (External Hub) / 1 x EVO 1TB (Portable Backup Case)
    PSU
    Silverstone 1500
    Case
    NZXT Phantom 820 Full-Tower Case
    Cooling
    Noctua NH-D15 Elite Class Dual Tower CPU Cooler / 6 x EziDIY 120mm / 2 x Corsair 140mm somethings / 1 x 140mm Thermaltake something / 2 x 200mm Corsair.
    Keyboard
    Corsair K95 / Logitech diNovo Edge Wireless
    Mouse
    Logitech G402 / G502 / Mx Masters / MX Air Cordless
    Internet Speed
    100/40Mbps
    Browser
    All sorts
    Antivirus
    Kaspersky Premium
    Other Info
    I’m on a horse.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro 22621.2215
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    LENOVO Yoga 7i EVO OLED 14" Touchscreen i5 12 Core 16GB/512GB
    CPU
    Intel Core 12th Gen i5-1240P Processor (1.7 - 4.4GHz)
    Memory
    16GB LPDDR5 RAM
    Graphics card(s)
    Graphics processor is an Intel Iris Xe
    Sound Card
    optimized with Dolby Atmos®
    Screen Resolution
    QHD 2880 x 1800 OLED
    Hard Drives
    M.2 512GB
    Other Info
    …still on a horse.
Tatts are popular here, but not that prevalent.
I think the devide is Gold Coast vs Brisbane. The Gold Coast is becoming one giant Tattoo. Having been in Brisbane for something recently, I didn’t notice it as much.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 Build: 22631.3374
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Sin-built
    CPU
    Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4770K CPU @ 3.50GHz (4th Gen?)
    Motherboard
    ASUS ROG Maximus VI Formula
    Memory
    32.0 GB of I forget and the box is in storage.
    Graphics Card(s)
    Gigabyte nVidia GeForce GTX 1660 Super OC 6GB
    Sound Card
    Onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    4 x LG 23MP75 1 x 24" LG M38H 1 x 32" LF6300 TV Monitor 1 x Wacom Pro 22" Tablet
    Screen Resolution
    All over the place
    Hard Drives
    2 x WD something Something 8TB HDD's / 2 x WD something Something 4TB HDD's / 1 x EVO 1TB SSD / 2 x QVO 1TB SSD's / 1 x EVO 250 GB SSD / 2 x QVO 1TB (External Hub) / 1 x EVO 1TB (Portable Backup Case)
    PSU
    Silverstone 1500
    Case
    NZXT Phantom 820 Full-Tower Case
    Cooling
    Noctua NH-D15 Elite Class Dual Tower CPU Cooler / 6 x EziDIY 120mm / 2 x Corsair 140mm somethings / 1 x 140mm Thermaltake something / 2 x 200mm Corsair.
    Keyboard
    Corsair K95 / Logitech diNovo Edge Wireless
    Mouse
    Logitech G402 / G502 / Mx Masters / MX Air Cordless
    Internet Speed
    100/40Mbps
    Browser
    All sorts
    Antivirus
    Kaspersky Premium
    Other Info
    I’m on a horse.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro 22621.2215
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    LENOVO Yoga 7i EVO OLED 14" Touchscreen i5 12 Core 16GB/512GB
    CPU
    Intel Core 12th Gen i5-1240P Processor (1.7 - 4.4GHz)
    Memory
    16GB LPDDR5 RAM
    Graphics card(s)
    Graphics processor is an Intel Iris Xe
    Sound Card
    optimized with Dolby Atmos®
    Screen Resolution
    QHD 2880 x 1800 OLED
    Hard Drives
    M.2 512GB
    Other Info
    …still on a horse.
Yeah you probably see it more down there where all the 'cool' kids hang out ... lol

Up here not so much, depending on where you hang out though ... lol

Queensland definitely seems to have more tatts than any of the other states I've been to, Vic., N.S.W, S.A., W.A. Only place I have not been yet is the NT.

From here, I'd love to travel out to Birdsville, across the Simpson desert to the Stuart Highway, then up to the Alice and onto Darwin. I doubt I'd see too many tatts along that route ... lol
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    Ryzen 9 3900X
    Motherboard
    ASUS ROG Strix X570-E Gaming
    Memory
    G-Skill RipjawsV F4-3600C18 (16GB x 2)
    Graphics Card(s)
    Gigabyte RX 5700 XT Gaming OC
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC1220P
    Monitor(s) Displays
    ASUS VE278 (x 2)
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 850 Pro 256GB
    Samsung 970 Pro NVMe 512GB (x 2)
    ST10000VN0004 10TB (x 2)
    ST10000VN0008 10TB (x 2)
    ST4000VN000 4TB (x 2)
    PSU
    Corsair HX1000
    Case
    Corsair Carbide 400R
    Cooling
    AMD Wraith Prism (Stock)
    Keyboard
    Logitech G213
    Mouse
    Logitech G502
    Internet Speed
    100Mbps down / 40Mbps up
    Browser
    Firefox - Chrome - Edge
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender - Clamwin
I use only Defender and haven't seen a need for any third-party solutions. Microsoft's security department is monitoring for new malware 24 hours a day 365 days a year. Microsoft has a lot riding on keeping Defender among the best there is. I'm confident using Defender.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell XPS 15 9510 OLED
    CPU
    11th Gen i9 -11900H
    Memory
    32 GB 3200 MHz DDR4
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA® GeForce® RTX 3050Ti
    Monitor(s) Displays
    15.6" OLED Infinity Edge Touch
    Screen Resolution
    16:10 Aspect Ratio (3456 x 2160)
    Hard Drives
    1 Terabyte M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD
    2 Thunderbolt™ 4 (USB Type-C™)
    1 USB 3.2 Gen 2 (USB Type-C™)
    SD Card Reader (SD, SDHC, SDXC)
    Internet Speed
    900 Mbps Netgear Orbi + 2 Satellites
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge (Chromium) + Bing
    Antivirus
    Microsoft Windows Security (Defender)
    Other Info
    Microsoft 365 subscription
    Microsoft OneDrive 1TB Cloud
    Microsoft Outlook
    Microsoft OneNote
    Microsoft PowerToys
    Microsoft Visual Studio
    Microsoft Visual Studio Code
    Macrium Reflect
    Dell Support Assist
    Dell Command | Update
    LastPass Password Manager
    Amazon Kindle
    Interactive Brokers Trader Workstation
    Lightroom/Photoshop subscription
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Tablet
    Manufacturer/Model
    Microsoft Surface Pro 7
    CPU
    i5
    Memory
    8 GB
    Hard Drives
    256GB SSD
    Internet Speed
    900 Mbps Netgear Orbi + 2 Satellites
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge (Chromium) + Bing
    Antivirus
    Microsoft Windows Security (Defender)
    Other Info
    Microsoft 365 subscription (Office)
    Microsoft OneDrive 1TB Cloud
    Microsoft Outlook
    Microsoft OneNote
    Microsoft Visual Studio
    Amazon Kindle
    Interactive Brokers Trader Workstation
    Lightroom/Photoshop subscription

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 10 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    Intel i9 - 11900K
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte B560 Aorus Pro AX
    Memory
    32GB Crucial Ballistix 3200 MHz
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti FTW3 ULTRA GAMING
    Monitor(s) Displays
    ASUS TUF Gaming VG27AQ 27"
    Screen Resolution
    2560 x 1440
    Hard Drives
    C: Seagate Firecuda 520 1TB PCIe Gen 4 NVMe
    D: Western Digital SSD 1 TB
    PSU
    EVGA Supernova 850 G2
    Case
    Lian Li Lancool 216RW White with Additional I/O Kit
    Cooling
    Noctua NH-U12S chromax black tower
    Keyboard
    Logitech G610 Orion Red
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Lenovo Yoga 14ITL5
    CPU
    i7-1185G7 @3.00GHz
    Memory
    16GB
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Pen and Touch Support
    Screen Resolution
    3840 X 2160
    Hard Drives
    Western Digital WD_BLACK 1TB SN770 NVMe
I use only Defender and haven't seen a need for any third-party solutions. Microsoft's security department is monitoring for new malware 24 hours a day 365 days a year. Microsoft has a lot riding on keeping Defender among the best there is. I'm confident using Defender.
Thanks Gary. 🙏
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 Build: 22631.3374
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Sin-built
    CPU
    Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4770K CPU @ 3.50GHz (4th Gen?)
    Motherboard
    ASUS ROG Maximus VI Formula
    Memory
    32.0 GB of I forget and the box is in storage.
    Graphics Card(s)
    Gigabyte nVidia GeForce GTX 1660 Super OC 6GB
    Sound Card
    Onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    4 x LG 23MP75 1 x 24" LG M38H 1 x 32" LF6300 TV Monitor 1 x Wacom Pro 22" Tablet
    Screen Resolution
    All over the place
    Hard Drives
    2 x WD something Something 8TB HDD's / 2 x WD something Something 4TB HDD's / 1 x EVO 1TB SSD / 2 x QVO 1TB SSD's / 1 x EVO 250 GB SSD / 2 x QVO 1TB (External Hub) / 1 x EVO 1TB (Portable Backup Case)
    PSU
    Silverstone 1500
    Case
    NZXT Phantom 820 Full-Tower Case
    Cooling
    Noctua NH-D15 Elite Class Dual Tower CPU Cooler / 6 x EziDIY 120mm / 2 x Corsair 140mm somethings / 1 x 140mm Thermaltake something / 2 x 200mm Corsair.
    Keyboard
    Corsair K95 / Logitech diNovo Edge Wireless
    Mouse
    Logitech G402 / G502 / Mx Masters / MX Air Cordless
    Internet Speed
    100/40Mbps
    Browser
    All sorts
    Antivirus
    Kaspersky Premium
    Other Info
    I’m on a horse.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro 22621.2215
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    LENOVO Yoga 7i EVO OLED 14" Touchscreen i5 12 Core 16GB/512GB
    CPU
    Intel Core 12th Gen i5-1240P Processor (1.7 - 4.4GHz)
    Memory
    16GB LPDDR5 RAM
    Graphics card(s)
    Graphics processor is an Intel Iris Xe
    Sound Card
    optimized with Dolby Atmos®
    Screen Resolution
    QHD 2880 x 1800 OLED
    Hard Drives
    M.2 512GB
    Other Info
    …still on a horse.
You may already know this, but you might need to use the Norton uninstall tool.
Download and run the Norton Remove and Reinstall tool for Windows

I also use Microsoft Defender and will sometimes manually run Malwarebytes free version as well when I think about it.
Very true. I believe I still have a Revo Uninstaller portable somewhere. It’s a few versions old that I billed to a job. Thanks for the heads up. Wasn’t aware that Nortons had one 🙏
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 Build: 22631.3374
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Sin-built
    CPU
    Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4770K CPU @ 3.50GHz (4th Gen?)
    Motherboard
    ASUS ROG Maximus VI Formula
    Memory
    32.0 GB of I forget and the box is in storage.
    Graphics Card(s)
    Gigabyte nVidia GeForce GTX 1660 Super OC 6GB
    Sound Card
    Onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    4 x LG 23MP75 1 x 24" LG M38H 1 x 32" LF6300 TV Monitor 1 x Wacom Pro 22" Tablet
    Screen Resolution
    All over the place
    Hard Drives
    2 x WD something Something 8TB HDD's / 2 x WD something Something 4TB HDD's / 1 x EVO 1TB SSD / 2 x QVO 1TB SSD's / 1 x EVO 250 GB SSD / 2 x QVO 1TB (External Hub) / 1 x EVO 1TB (Portable Backup Case)
    PSU
    Silverstone 1500
    Case
    NZXT Phantom 820 Full-Tower Case
    Cooling
    Noctua NH-D15 Elite Class Dual Tower CPU Cooler / 6 x EziDIY 120mm / 2 x Corsair 140mm somethings / 1 x 140mm Thermaltake something / 2 x 200mm Corsair.
    Keyboard
    Corsair K95 / Logitech diNovo Edge Wireless
    Mouse
    Logitech G402 / G502 / Mx Masters / MX Air Cordless
    Internet Speed
    100/40Mbps
    Browser
    All sorts
    Antivirus
    Kaspersky Premium
    Other Info
    I’m on a horse.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro 22621.2215
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    LENOVO Yoga 7i EVO OLED 14" Touchscreen i5 12 Core 16GB/512GB
    CPU
    Intel Core 12th Gen i5-1240P Processor (1.7 - 4.4GHz)
    Memory
    16GB LPDDR5 RAM
    Graphics card(s)
    Graphics processor is an Intel Iris Xe
    Sound Card
    optimized with Dolby Atmos®
    Screen Resolution
    QHD 2880 x 1800 OLED
    Hard Drives
    M.2 512GB
    Other Info
    …still on a horse.
Yeah you probably see it more down there where all the 'cool' kids hang out ... lol

Up here not so much, depending on where you hang out though ... lol

Queensland definitely seems to have more tatts than any of the other states I've been to, Vic., N.S.W, S.A., W.A. Only place I have not been yet is the NT.

From here, I'd love to travel out to Birdsville, across the Simpson desert to the Stuart Highway, then up to the Alice and onto Darwin. I doubt I'd see too many tatts along that route ... lol
Maybe a few sailors anchors with the word MUM at the bottom.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 Build: 22631.3374
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Sin-built
    CPU
    Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4770K CPU @ 3.50GHz (4th Gen?)
    Motherboard
    ASUS ROG Maximus VI Formula
    Memory
    32.0 GB of I forget and the box is in storage.
    Graphics Card(s)
    Gigabyte nVidia GeForce GTX 1660 Super OC 6GB
    Sound Card
    Onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    4 x LG 23MP75 1 x 24" LG M38H 1 x 32" LF6300 TV Monitor 1 x Wacom Pro 22" Tablet
    Screen Resolution
    All over the place
    Hard Drives
    2 x WD something Something 8TB HDD's / 2 x WD something Something 4TB HDD's / 1 x EVO 1TB SSD / 2 x QVO 1TB SSD's / 1 x EVO 250 GB SSD / 2 x QVO 1TB (External Hub) / 1 x EVO 1TB (Portable Backup Case)
    PSU
    Silverstone 1500
    Case
    NZXT Phantom 820 Full-Tower Case
    Cooling
    Noctua NH-D15 Elite Class Dual Tower CPU Cooler / 6 x EziDIY 120mm / 2 x Corsair 140mm somethings / 1 x 140mm Thermaltake something / 2 x 200mm Corsair.
    Keyboard
    Corsair K95 / Logitech diNovo Edge Wireless
    Mouse
    Logitech G402 / G502 / Mx Masters / MX Air Cordless
    Internet Speed
    100/40Mbps
    Browser
    All sorts
    Antivirus
    Kaspersky Premium
    Other Info
    I’m on a horse.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro 22621.2215
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    LENOVO Yoga 7i EVO OLED 14" Touchscreen i5 12 Core 16GB/512GB
    CPU
    Intel Core 12th Gen i5-1240P Processor (1.7 - 4.4GHz)
    Memory
    16GB LPDDR5 RAM
    Graphics card(s)
    Graphics processor is an Intel Iris Xe
    Sound Card
    optimized with Dolby Atmos®
    Screen Resolution
    QHD 2880 x 1800 OLED
    Hard Drives
    M.2 512GB
    Other Info
    …still on a horse.
Oi, don't knock the sailors ... my dad was a sailor with the R.A.N, until he died in a car accident in 1967.
You're probably right though ... lol

Getting back on topic, I remember when WD was called Security Essentials. It was passable, but pretty p i s s poor back then which gave rise to all of the 3rd party vendors we see now. Microsoft have put a lot of effort into it since then and they deserve the accolades they have earnt in that time.

This is why I use WD now and don't waste my time or money with 3rd party apps that do the same thing. All they do is bloat your system and slow it down, so it makes sense to stay with WD IMHO.

Your mate should be well protected by the time you're finished with him ... lol

@oldschool I downloaded and ran ConfigureDefender and I quite like it. It is easy enough to use and understand and everything appears to be reversible if needed. I made one change with it and I will test it out to see what effect it has. Thanks for the tip :-)
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    Ryzen 9 3900X
    Motherboard
    ASUS ROG Strix X570-E Gaming
    Memory
    G-Skill RipjawsV F4-3600C18 (16GB x 2)
    Graphics Card(s)
    Gigabyte RX 5700 XT Gaming OC
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC1220P
    Monitor(s) Displays
    ASUS VE278 (x 2)
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 850 Pro 256GB
    Samsung 970 Pro NVMe 512GB (x 2)
    ST10000VN0004 10TB (x 2)
    ST10000VN0008 10TB (x 2)
    ST4000VN000 4TB (x 2)
    PSU
    Corsair HX1000
    Case
    Corsair Carbide 400R
    Cooling
    AMD Wraith Prism (Stock)
    Keyboard
    Logitech G213
    Mouse
    Logitech G502
    Internet Speed
    100Mbps down / 40Mbps up
    Browser
    Firefox - Chrome - Edge
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender - Clamwin
Been Using Defender in Default State steady since 2018, runs good on all my systems here, Do have Malwarebytes Premium as well, but that never finds anything on all 3 Household systems typically.

Alot Less problems than when i was running 3rd Party Antivirus many years ago
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro x64
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom
    CPU
    Intel I7 10700
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte B460M_DS3H Rev 1.0
    Memory
    32GB DDR4 2666mhz
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA Geforce 1660 Super
    Sound Card
    Onboard Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Asus VG245H
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    M.2 Samsung 970 Evo Plus 500GB Boot
    Samsung 860 Evo 1TB-Game SSD
    Western Digital Black 4TB Storage Drive

    External
    Western Digital Elements 500GB
    Western Digital My Passport 2TB
    Toshiba 2TB in External Enclosure
    Seagate 8TB in External Enclosure
    Western Digital My Book 8TB (Primary Backup drive)
    PSU
    EVGA G3 650 Watt
    Case
    Thermaltake V200 TG RGB
    Cooling
    Arctic Freezer 7X, 3 Front Intake Fans, 1 120 Exhaust in rear of case
    Keyboard
    Logitech G513
    Mouse
    Logitech G502 X
    Internet Speed
    Gigabit 1000Mb/20 Upload
    Browser
    MS Edge Chromium
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender, Malwarebytes Free
    Other Info
    UEFI, Secure Boot, TPM 2.0, Macrium 8 Home Edition
IMHO as a free alternative for a security program Windows Defender is a very good choice. I run Eset Smart Security on my two desktops and Windows Defender on everything else. Both security programs seem to be doing their job. As for why I use Eset, I want the extra protection that I feel Eset gives me on my main PCs.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Canary Channel
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    PowerSpec B746
    CPU
    Intel Core i7-10700K
    Motherboard
    ASRock Z490 Phantom Gaming 4/ax
    Memory
    16GB (8GB PC4-19200 DDR4 SDRAM x2)
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 TI
    Sound Card
    Realtek Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung SAM0A87 Samsung SAM0D32
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    NVMe WDC WDS100T2B0C-00PXH0 1TB
    Samsung SSD 860 EVO 1TB
    PSU
    750 Watts (62.5A)
    Case
    PowerSpec/Lian Li ATX 205
    Keyboard
    Logitech K270
    Mouse
    Logitech M185
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge and Firefox
    Antivirus
    ESET Internet Security
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Canary Channel
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    PowerSpec G156
    CPU
    Intel Core i5-8400 CPU @ 2.80GHz
    Motherboard
    AsusTeK Prime B360M-S
    Memory
    16 MB DDR 4-2666
    Monitor(s) Displays
    23" Speptre HDMI 75Hz
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 970 EVO 500GB NVMe
    Mouse
    Logitek M185
    Keyboard
    Logitek K270
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge and Edge Canary
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
Check AV-Comparatives for test results:


and note the ones that do the best in terms of protection and performance. Consider choosing from those. You may also look at other websites and video tests.

In my case, the top ones for free versions are Avast, AVG, Bitdefender, and Kaspersky. (The first two are made by the same company.) The one that's complete is Avast, although I was told that Kaspersky should be able to remove malware already present. (The comparison chart states that it's a paid feature.)

For performance, I note the results (including that of the built-in AV) but also browse files and run apps, plus run free benchmark software, to see what's lightest. The one that does well is Kaspersky.

Lastly, note the ff.

You might be blamed for opening files that you shouldn't, etc., but more malware are now found in legitimate software and websites. Several might even operate without user interaction.

You might think that because there's nothing wrong with your system, then it's not infected. Malware can also now stay hidden in systems and steal your data. That also means having backups won't reverse any data stolen.

When you rely on yourself to decide what to disallow or approve, or not allow various applications to access certain folders, then you might end up creating even more damage than malware. You'll have to figure out what you modified and then try to undo it.

You might be told that some AVs are made in dangerous countries while others are safer, but they're mostly made in countries that are considered such (look up "eyes" nations). Also, not only are AVs by default intrusive, free versions will always monetize user activity. Even the Windows OS may do that, together with its AV and even things like browsers. As for paid versions, watch out for hidden costs like the subscription rising considerably for the second year. If you're buying for several devices, it might be like buying a new hard drive each year or two.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom Build
    CPU
    i5-13400F
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte B-760M
    Memory
    16 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    RTX 4060
    Sound Card
    internal
    Monitor(s) Displays
    AOC 27 gaming
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    Kingston 2 TB M.2
    PSU
    Thermaltake 700W
    Case
    DarkFlash C285P
Check AV-Comparatives for test results:


and note the ones that do the best in terms of protection and performance. Consider choosing from those. You may also look at other websites and video tests.

In my case, the top ones for free versions are Avast, AVG, Bitdefender, and Kaspersky. (The first two are made by the same company.) The one that's complete is Avast, although I was told that Kaspersky should be able to remove malware already present. (The comparison chart states that it's a paid feature.)

For performance, I note the results (including that of the built-in AV) but also browse files and run apps, plus run free benchmark software, to see what's lightest. The one that does well is Kaspersky.

Lastly, note the ff.

You might be blamed for opening files that you shouldn't, etc., but more malware are now found in legitimate software and websites. Several might even operate without user interaction.

You might think that because there's nothing wrong with your system, then it's not infected. Malware can also now stay hidden in systems and steal your data. That also means having backups won't reverse any data stolen.

When you rely on yourself to decide what to disallow or approve, or not allow various applications to access certain folders, then you might end up creating even more damage than malware. You'll have to figure out what you modified and then try to undo it.

You might be told that some AVs are made in dangerous countries while others are safer, but they're mostly made in countries that are considered such (look up "eyes" nations). Also, not only are AVs by default intrusive, free versions will always monetize user activity. Even the Windows OS may do that, together with its AV and even things like browsers. As for paid versions, watch out for hidden costs like the subscription rising considerably for the second year. If you're buying for several devices, it might be like buying a new hard drive each year or two.
Comparative tests are really 100% U/S. For starters they are usually done many days or even weeks in the past - and new nasties can appear at any time. WD is often updated 5 times in a week - and no 3rd party vendor will be able to test their products on new insider windows builds for a period after that too.

For domestic users WD is as good as it gets - most of those other 3rd party products are essentially solving a C20 problem when Windows was as leaky as a sieve. There's utterly no need for any of these for domestic users - certainly not for technological reasons.

If people feel paranoid and want extra security -- then that's fine if it gives you extra piece of mind but its not actually buying you anything on a technical level other than possible performance issues and potential problems with next windows update or release - especially if using insider versions.

Corporates, large LAN operators, web site operators etc have other issues - but for domestic users WD is fine,

Cheers
jimbo
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows XP,7,10,11 Linux Arch Linux
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    2 X Intel i7

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