Rumor: Windows roadmap for 2024


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 Windows Central:

With new leadership at the helm and ex-Windows chief Panos Panay in the rearview mirror, a new Windows roadmap is beginning to take shape under Microsoft’s new Windows & Web Experiences team, which is now leading development on the next major Windows client update, code-named Hudson Valley.

We’ve known for some time that Microsoft is planning to ship a major new release of the Windows platform in 2024 code-named Germanium, which is what Hudson Valley will be based on. So, what’s the low-down on this new Windows roadmap, and what can we expect from the next version of Windows? Here’s everything I know so far.

The new Windows roadmap​

We’ll start with the roadmap itself. Under Panay, the Windows org changed up how it intended to ship new versions of Windows. It decided to return to a traditional three-year release cycle for major versions of the Windows platform, supplementing the annual platform release with smaller feature drops every few months instead, known internally as “Moment” updates.

According to my sources, the new Windows bosses are now returning to an annual release cycle for major versions of the Windows platform, meaning Windows is going back to having just one big feature update a year instead of multiple smaller ones throughout. Microsoft may still use Moment updates sparingly, but they will no longer be the primary delivery vehicle for new features going forward.

These changes are said to take effect after Hudson Valley launches in 2024, so I’m still expecting at least one more Moment update for the current version of Windows 11, which sources say will ship in the February or March time frame early next year.

The roadmap for Hudson Valley is also quite interesting. The update is expected to ship on the Germanium platform release, which is set to reach an RTM milestone in April. However, the Hudson Valley update itself won’t be finalized until August, and won’t begin shipping as an update for existing PCs until the September or October timeframe.


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So, basically, MS is telling us "Don't worry, we got lots of confusion coming for y'all in 2024" 🤣🤣🤣
 

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System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 22631.3374
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    Lenovo
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    Intel Celeron N4000 @ 1.10GHz Gemini Lake 14nm
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    LENOVO LNVNB161216 (U3E1)
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    Realtek High Definition Audio Intel Display Audio
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    LENOVO LNVNB161216 (U3E1)
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I like this. Windows has always been too complicated and cumbersome to use, hence the need for forums like this one to exist. One should interact with the OS via natural language. No configuration windows with lots of options, no cascading menus, no commands. I hope AI will move in this directions.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 10
A major update once a year.... smaller updates every few months. Great joy will still continue on the Windows 12 forum.

User: "I tried the new suggestions, but I still can't update my unsupported pc to Hudson Valley. Any other suggestions."
 

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System One

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    Windows 11/Linux Mint
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    Dell Optiplex 960
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    Intel Core 2 Duo CPU E8400 @ 3.00 GHz x 2
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    8 GB
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    Intel 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller
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    HP x22LED
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    Crucial 250 GB SSD, HD 1Tb
Personally I prefer the old once a year major release schedule. All this "will they or won't they" with MS is confusing and causes issue for too many people. I predict MS is going to clamp down hard on running 12 on unsupported hardware. For those who do, I hope I'm wrong, but we got our first warning of what was to come way back in 2021. Even though the door has been open up until now, I think MS will permanently close it.
 

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System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 22631.3447
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Optiplex 7080
    CPU
    i9-10900 10 core 20 threads
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    DELL 0J37VM
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    32 gb
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    none-Intel UHD Graphics 630
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    Integrated Realtek
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    Benq 27
    Screen Resolution
    2560x1440
    Hard Drives
    1tb Solidigm m.2 +256gb ssd+512 gb usb m.2 sata
    PSU
    500w
    Case
    MT
    Cooling
    Dell Premium
    Keyboard
    Logitech wired
    Mouse
    Logitech wireless
    Internet Speed
    so slow I'm too embarrassed to tell
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Defender+MWB Premium
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    Windows 10 Pro 22H2 19045.3930
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Optiplex 9020
    CPU
    i7-4770
    Memory
    24 gb
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Benq 27
    Screen Resolution
    2560x1440
    Hard Drives
    256 gb Toshiba BG4 M.2 NVE SSB and 1 tb hdd
    PSU
    500w
    Case
    MT
    Cooling
    Dell factory
    Mouse
    Logitech wireless
    Keyboard
    Logitech wired
    Internet Speed
    still not telling
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Defender+MWB Premium
Personally I prefer the old once a year major release schedule. All this "will they or won't they" with MS is confusing and causes issue for too many people. I predict MS is going to clamp down hard on running 12 on unsupported hardware. For those who do, I hope I'm wrong, but we got our first warning of what was to come way back in 2021. Even though the door has been open up until now, I think MS will permanently close it.
I think it possible MS will cutoff older computers from the next gen of Windows, but will they cutoff more gens of CPUs as well such as the Intel 8th through say 11th gens for lack of AI abilities. Or will they be modular in approach and what your machine will run in the next gen Windows is what you get. This latter approach would be more in keeping with Microsoft wanting to get more people on the same page (Windows version) as opposed to the separation spoken of where 400 million are on one OS, and another 1 billion on another. Could even be "cost cutting" for Microsoft to be more flexible or modular.

Time will tell.
 

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System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Wordsworth 10000
    CPU
    Core i7 10700K 3.8 GHz
    Motherboard
    Asus ROG Strix Z590-A Gaming Wifi
    Memory
    Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 64GB 3000MHz
    Graphics Card(s)
    Asus Radeon RX480 Strix 8GB
    Sound Card
    Asus Xonar DSX
    Monitor(s) Displays
    HP 2709m
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 980 Pro M.2 SSD 500GB; Samsung 980 M.2 SSD 1TB
    PSU
    Thermaltake Toughpower Grand Platinum 850W
    Case
    Fractal Design Meshify 2
    Cooling
    CPU-Noctua NH D15 Chromax, GPU-Stock, Case-Noctua Chromax 3x140
    Keyboard
    Microsoft Natural Ergo 4000
    Mouse
    HP X500
    Internet Speed
    Cable
    Browser
    Vivaldi, MS Edge
    Antivirus
    Malwarebytes 4.4.3, Windows Defender
    Other Info
    Klipsch Promedia 5.1 THX
    Asus External Blu-Ray 16D1X-USB 3.0
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    Windows 11 Pro 23H2
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    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Wordsworth 6000
    CPU
    Core i7 6700K 4.0 GHz
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    Asus Z170 Pro
    Memory
    Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 32GB 3000MHz
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    Asus GeForce GTX 1050 Ti
    Sound Card
    Asus Xonar SE
    Monitor(s) Displays
    HP X24ih
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    Intel 760p M.2 SSD 500GB; Intel 540 SSD 480GB; Intel 335 SSD 240GB
    PSU
    Thermaltake Toughpower GF1 750W
    Case
    Lian Li PC-B70
    Cooling
    CPU- Noctua NH-D15; GPU-Stock; Case-Noctua Chromax 2x140, 2x120
    Mouse
    Microsoft Wireless Comfort 5050
    Keyboard
    Microsoft Wireless Comfort 5050
    Internet Speed
    Cable
    Browser
    Vivaldi, MS Edge
    Antivirus
    Malwarebytes 4.4.3, Windows Defender
    Other Info
    HP bd 340
    HP bd 240
    Denon DRA-800H
    Klipsch RP-600M
    Klipsch R-100SW (2)

    System 3 Specs
    Core i7 10700K 3.8 GHz
    Asus ROG Strix Z590-A Gaming Wifi
    Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 32GB 3200MHz
    Asus Radeon RX560 Dual 4GB
    Xonar SE
    Samsung 980 Pro M.2 SSD 1 TB (2)
    Thermaltake Toughpower GF3 850W
    Fractal Design Meshify 2
    CPU-Noctua NH D15 Chromax, GPU-Stock, Case-Noctua Chromax 2x140,1x120
I think it possible MS will cutoff older computers from the next gen of Windows, but will they cutoff more gens of CPUs as well such as the Intel 8th through say 11th gens for lack of AI abilities.
I think it is unlikely that they will increase hardware requirements for the next generation release; the take up of Windows 11 was a lot less than hoped for, mainly because of new hardware requirements. I don't think they will want to repeat that mistake.
 

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    Windows 11
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    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Home built
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    Ryzen 3900x
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte Aorus Master x570 rel 1.0
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    32GB (2x16) @ 3600 MHz Corsair Vengeance LPX
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    Gigabyte Windforce RTX 2080
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    No separate sound card.
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    Dell U2718Q
    Screen Resolution
    3840x2160
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    1TB WD-Black SN850; 1TB Samsung Sata 850 Evo; 4 TB WD Blue Sata SA510 2.5''; 4TB Samsung Sata SSD 870 EVO 2.5".
    PSU
    Be Quiet Dark Power Pro 11 750W
    Case
    Lian Li PC-8FIB
    Cooling
    CPU: Noctua NH-U12A; Case: BeQuiet + Lian Li fans.
    Keyboard
    Steelseries Apex 7 brown keys.
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    Logitech (wired) G403
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    940 Mb/s down; 105 Mb/s up
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    Edge (Chromium)
    Antivirus
    Eset Internet Security
    Other Info
    Pioneer blu-ray optical drive.
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    Windows 11
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    Dell Inspiron 7373 2-in-1
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    Intel Core i7 8th Generation
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    Dell 0HG1FH (U3E1)
    Memory
    8GB DDR4
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    Intel UHD Graphics 620 (Dell)
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    Realtek Audio (on motherboard)
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    Touch screen generic monitor
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    256GB Micron SATA SSD.
    Browser
    Edge Chromium
    Antivirus
    Eset Internet Security
    Other Info
    Dell says this system is not Windows 11 capable, but Microsoft seems happy with it.
I think it is unlikely that they will increase hardware requirements for the next generation release; the take up of Windows 11 was a lot less than hoped for, mainly because of new hardware requirements. I don't think they will want to repeat that mistake.
I've written elsewhere in these parts that I do not expect Microsoft to cutoff unsupported machines for Windows 11 and I still believe that will not happen though some still fear it. Windows 12 or whatever it may be called could be different. One thing I saw working for what was once the largest corporation in the world is that corporations, out of arrogance, tend to repeat the same mistakes. That is why they usually have both a heyday, and a swan song.

Having two out of three machines that support Windows 11, I really do hope that Microsoft uses good judgment and does not cutoff more CPU generations; but I won't hold my breath.
 

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  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2
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    PC/Desktop
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    Wordsworth 10000
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    Core i7 10700K 3.8 GHz
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    Asus ROG Strix Z590-A Gaming Wifi
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    Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 64GB 3000MHz
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    Asus Radeon RX480 Strix 8GB
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    Asus Xonar DSX
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    HP 2709m
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
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    Samsung 980 Pro M.2 SSD 500GB; Samsung 980 M.2 SSD 1TB
    PSU
    Thermaltake Toughpower Grand Platinum 850W
    Case
    Fractal Design Meshify 2
    Cooling
    CPU-Noctua NH D15 Chromax, GPU-Stock, Case-Noctua Chromax 3x140
    Keyboard
    Microsoft Natural Ergo 4000
    Mouse
    HP X500
    Internet Speed
    Cable
    Browser
    Vivaldi, MS Edge
    Antivirus
    Malwarebytes 4.4.3, Windows Defender
    Other Info
    Klipsch Promedia 5.1 THX
    Asus External Blu-Ray 16D1X-USB 3.0
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    Windows 11 Pro 23H2
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    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Wordsworth 6000
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    Core i7 6700K 4.0 GHz
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    Asus Z170 Pro
    Memory
    Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 32GB 3000MHz
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    Asus GeForce GTX 1050 Ti
    Sound Card
    Asus Xonar SE
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    HP X24ih
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
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    Intel 760p M.2 SSD 500GB; Intel 540 SSD 480GB; Intel 335 SSD 240GB
    PSU
    Thermaltake Toughpower GF1 750W
    Case
    Lian Li PC-B70
    Cooling
    CPU- Noctua NH-D15; GPU-Stock; Case-Noctua Chromax 2x140, 2x120
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    Microsoft Wireless Comfort 5050
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    Microsoft Wireless Comfort 5050
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    Cable
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    Vivaldi, MS Edge
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    Malwarebytes 4.4.3, Windows Defender
    Other Info
    HP bd 340
    HP bd 240
    Denon DRA-800H
    Klipsch RP-600M
    Klipsch R-100SW (2)

    System 3 Specs
    Core i7 10700K 3.8 GHz
    Asus ROG Strix Z590-A Gaming Wifi
    Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 32GB 3200MHz
    Asus Radeon RX560 Dual 4GB
    Xonar SE
    Samsung 980 Pro M.2 SSD 1 TB (2)
    Thermaltake Toughpower GF3 850W
    Fractal Design Meshify 2
    CPU-Noctua NH D15 Chromax, GPU-Stock, Case-Noctua Chromax 2x140,1x120

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    Win 11 Home ♦♦♦22631.3527 ♦♦♦♦♦♦♦23H2
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    PC/Desktop
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    Built by Ghot® [May 2020]
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    AMD Ryzen 7 3700X
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    Asus Pro WS X570-ACE (BIOS 4702)
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    G.Skill (F4-3200C14D-16GTZKW)
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    EVGA RTX 2070 (08G-P4-2171-KR)
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    Realtek ALC1220P / ALC S1220A
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    Dell U3011 30"
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    2560 x 1600
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    2x Samsung 860 EVO 500GB,
    WD 4TB Black FZBX - SATA III,
    WD 8TB Black FZBX - SATA III,
    DRW-24B1ST CD/DVD Burner
    PSU
    PC Power & Cooling 750W Quad EPS12V
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    Cooler Master ATCS 840 Tower
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    CM Hyper 212 EVO (push/pull)
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    Ducky DK9008 Shine II Blue LED
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    Logitech Optical M-100
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    300/300
    Browser
    Firefox (latest)
    Antivirus
    Bitdefender Internet Security
    Other Info
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    ASUS M2N32-SLI Deluxe Wireless Edition
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    TWIN2X2048-6400C4DHX (2 x 1GB, DDR2 800)
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    Onboard
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    Lite-On LTR-52246S CD/RW
    Lite-On LH-18A1P CD/DVD Burner
    PSU
    PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750 Quad EPS12V
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    Generic Beige case, 80mm fans
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    ZALMAN 9500A 92mm CPU Cooler
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    Logitech Optical M-BT96a
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    Logitech Classic Keybooard 200
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    300/300
    Browser
    Firefox 3.x ??
    Antivirus
    Symantec (Norton)
    Other Info
    Still assembled, still runs. Haven't turned it on for 13 years?
I can wait.:yawn:
 

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System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 (23H2) Home
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP Pavilion 577B5AA#ABA
    CPU
    Core(TM) i5-12400T
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    HP 89E9
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    12.0 GB (11.7 GB usable)
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    Intel(R) UHD Graphics 730
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    DFX Audio
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    HO Generic PnP Monitor
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    1920 x 1080
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    SAMSUNG MZVLQ10HBLB00BH1 SSD 1TB
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    HP Std. for this product
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    All-in-One
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    Fan
    Keyboard
    HP Wireless / Bluetooth
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    HP Wireless / Bluetooth
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    Link speed (Receive/Transmit): 1000/1000 (Mbps)
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    Google Chrome; Edge
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    Malwarebytes Pro / Windows Security
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    Windows 11 Home
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    HP 15tegooo [HP Pavilion Laptop Intel I-7]
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    Intel I-7-1165G7
    Memory
    8 GB DDR4-3200 SDRAM
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    Intel Iris Xe Graphics
    Sound Card
    Realtek
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    HP HD micro edge, Bright View, 250 nits
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    1366 x768
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    256 GB DD4-3200 SDRAM
    PSU
    HP
    Case
    Std HP Laptop
    Cooling
    Fan
    Keyboard
    std
    Browser
    Edge
    Antivirus
    Windows Security
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