Stuck in OOBE on new Laptop


RH247a

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I have a new purchase HP 17" Laptop Windows 11 (the box says nothing about a model, booted to Bios and it only says Notebook). I haven't been able to get out of the Factory startup OOBE from the store. Wasn't doing a clean install yet, it's just right out of the box. When I got to the point of being forced into the MS Acct sign in, I tried the Shift + F10 and nothing happened (The Shift + F10 works on my other Acer).
(Edit add, I tried the Function Key first, didn't help, also booted to bios and the F keys are set to work without FN key)
So seeing no options I just clicked the Access Icon at bottom and that took me to Settings->Access. From there I was able to move around in Settings and I then turned off my Wifi thinking that might help.
But when I closed settings and went back to the factory startup OOBE and it stopped dead at a screen that says your Wifi is turned OFF. Also says toTurn back on Manually, or 1 hr or 2 hrs . . but no matter which I select the screen is dead with NEXT grayed out. I.e. can't find a way to turn Wifi back on or get to cmd shell to try the bypass.
At this point I'm pretty much stuck, can't move forward at all. The access Icon is not visible on the screen I'm on, and there is no back arrow. Can't find a way to get past this. Anyone know how to get to cmd on an HP?
 
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Windows 11
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System One

  • OS
    Windows 10 & Windows 11
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP 17" Laptop, Acer Aspire 5
I presume you are trying to get to command prompt at MS Acct sign in to install as a local account?

If so, there is an easier way - at MS account screen, enter fake address "fake@fake.com" and put any garbage as password.

It will reply oops, something has gone wrong, then you can enter a local account.

I suspect the reason you cannot get to a command prompt is that it is a Windows Home S mode installation (common for oem laptops), and you cannot get to a command prompt in S mode.

If it is S mode, you can revert to normal mode using this tutorial

 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 10 Pro + others in VHDs
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    ASUS Vivobook 14
    CPU
    I7
    Motherboard
    Yep, Laptop has one.
    Memory
    16 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Integrated Intel Iris XE
    Sound Card
    Realtek built in
    Monitor(s) Displays
    N/A
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    1 TB Optane NVME SSD, 1 TB NVME SSD
    PSU
    Yep, got one
    Case
    Yep, got one
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    Stella Artois
    Keyboard
    Built in
    Mouse
    Bluetooth , wired
    Internet Speed
    72 Mb/s :-(
    Browser
    Edge mostly
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    TPM 2.0
Just curious. Was this device a used device or possibly a refurbished one? I have never seen a factory box that didn't have the model and specs on it.
 

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System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 22631.3737
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Optiplex 7080
    CPU
    i9-10900 10 core 20 threads
    Motherboard
    DELL 0J37VM
    Memory
    32 gb
    Graphics Card(s)
    none-Intel UHD Graphics 630
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    Integrated Realtek
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    Benq 27
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    2560x1440
    Hard Drives
    1tb Solidigm m.2 nvme+256gb SKHynix m.2 nvme /External +512gb Samsung m.2 sata+1tb Kingston m2.nvme
    PSU
    500w
    Case
    MT
    Cooling
    Dell Premium
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    Logitech wired
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    Logitech wireless
    Internet Speed
    so slow I'm too embarrassed to tell
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Defender+MWB Premium
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    Windows 10 Pro 22H2 19045.3930
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    PC/Desktop
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    Dell Optiplex 9020
    CPU
    i7-4770
    Memory
    24 gb
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Benq 27
    Screen Resolution
    2560x1440
    Hard Drives
    256 gb Toshiba BG4 M.2 NVE SSB and 1 tb hdd
    PSU
    500w
    Case
    MT
    Cooling
    Dell factory
    Mouse
    Logitech wireless
    Keyboard
    Logitech wired
    Internet Speed
    still not telling
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Defender+MWB Premium
I presume you are trying to get to command prompt at MS Acct sign in to install as a local account?

If so, there is an easier way - at MS account screen, enter fake address "fake@fake.com" and put any garbage as password.

It will reply oops, something has gone wrong, then you can enter a local account.
----I tried that but it says no such MS Acct and I must create an new MS Account, so I click create new acct and it won't accept my fake@fake.com, says I can't use a work or school email for personal, gives gmail.com or Yahoo.com as examples to use. So if I type fakewhatever@gmail.com and put in any password gibberish, I surmise it will try to send something to that email to verify. And since it's not a real email won't I still be stuck waiting on a confirmation code etc?

I suspect the reason you cannot get to a command prompt is that it is a Windows Home S mode installation (common for oem laptops), and you cannot get to a command prompt in S mode.

If it is S mode, you can revert to normal mode using this tutorial

Reading that link it appears I have to be logged into the the MS store to get out of S-mode, Yes ? No?

If yes to above then again it appears I am forced to sign in or create a MS Acct. If I do sign into a MS acct with this computer, what ramifications are therein?
I.e. does that tie this Laptop to that MS acct forever OR can I somehow get out of that marriage later?

And if I decided to just keep logging into an MS acct for this Laptop, if one day my internet provider access is down, will I be able to use the device at all for getting anything done offline?

Right now I'm thinking a clean install of Win11 is about my only option, but I'm a bit leary since Shift F10 is not jumping to cmd shell, and no way to get out of the MS acct situation. I.e. starting to think about just taking the Laptop back to the store.
 
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My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 10 & Windows 11
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP 17" Laptop, Acer Aspire 5
Just curious. Was this device a used device or possibly a refurbished one? I have never seen a factory box that didn't have the model and specs on it.
I ordered from Best Buy Online login after seeing the Laptop displayed in the store on sale for $299.99. It was listed as New not refurbished. They said they did not have any in stock but I could order it online which I did. The box and the device have nothing on them, not even on the bottom of the device. I just now searched in my email for the online order confirmation and found this,
HP - 17.3" HD+ Laptop - AMD Ryzen 3 7320U - 8GB Memory - 256GB SSD - Natural Silver, Model:17-cp2033dx, SKU:6554443
It's still for sale at the Best Buy Online but the price has gone back up to $349.99 Regular price was $549.99
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 10 & Windows 11
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP 17" Laptop, Acer Aspire 5
I just now searched in my email for the online order confirmation and found this,
HP - 17.3" HD+ Laptop - AMD Ryzen 3 7320U - 8GB Memory - 256GB SSD - Natural Silver, Model:17-cp2033dx, SKU:6554443
It's still for sale at the Best Buy Online but the price has gone back up to $349.99
Welcome to Eleven Forum.

That would be this one. Under 'Features' it confirms that it comes with Windows 11 Home in S Mode.

Reading that link it appears I have to be logged into the the MS store to get out of S-mode, Yes ? No?
Yes...
If yes to above then again it appears I am forced to sign in or create a MS Acct. If I do sign into a MS acct with this computer, what ramifications are therein?
I.e. does that tie this Laptop to that MS acct forever OR can I somehow get out of that marriage later?
You can easily switch from a MS account to a local account. Windows Activation is tied to the unique hardware ID of the PC, not to any MS account, so Windows will always be activated. You can, if you wish, switch back to an MS account later. It doesn't have to be your MS account, if you wanted to pass on the PC to someone else they could switch to their own MS account.


And if I decided to just keep logging into an MS acct for this Laptop, if one day my internet provider access is down, will I be albe to use the device at all for getting anything done offline?
If you keep the MS account you will still be able to sign in with your PIN or your MS account password when you are offline and don't have an internet connection.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Aspire 3 A315-23
    CPU
    AMD Athlon Silver 3050U
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Radeon Graphics
    Monitor(s) Displays
    laptop screen
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768 native resolution, up to 2560x1440 with Radeon Virtual Super Resolution
    Hard Drives
    1TB Samsung EVO 870 SSD
    Internet Speed
    50 Mbps
    Browser
    Edge, Firefox
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    fully 'Windows 11 ready' laptop. Windows 10 C: partition migrated from my old unsupported 'main machine' then upgraded to 11. A test migration ran Insider builds for 2 months. When 11 was released on 5th October it was re-imaged back to 10 and was offered the upgrade in Windows Update on 20th October. Windows Update offered the 22H2 Feature Update on 20th September 2022. It got the 23H2 Feature Update on 4th November 2023 through Windows Update.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro (and all my Hyper-V VMs).

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 8GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Beta as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 4GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus the Insider Beta, Dev, Canary, and Release Preview builds as a native boot .vhdx.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Lattitude E4310
    CPU
    Intel® Core™ i5-520M
    Motherboard
    0T6M8G
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics card(s)
    (integrated graphics) Intel HD Graphics
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768
    Hard Drives
    500GB Crucial MX500 SSD
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    unsupported machine: Legacy bios, MBR, TPM 1.2, upgraded from W10 to W11 using W10/W11 hybrid install media workaround. In-place upgrade to 22H2 using ISO and a workaround. Feature Update to 23H2 by manually installing the Enablement Package. Also running Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds as a native boot .vhdx.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro (and all my Hyper-V VMs).

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 8GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Beta as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 4GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus the Insider Beta, Dev, Canary, and Release Preview builds as a native boot .vhdx.
Welcome to Eleven Forum.
. . . . .
You can easily switch from a MS account to a local account. Windows Activation is tied to the unique hardware ID of the PC, not to any MS account, so Windows will always be activated. You can, if you wish, switch back to an MS account later. It doesn't have to be your MS account, if you wanted to pass on the PC to someone else they could switch to their own MS account.
. . . . .
If you keep the MS account you will still be able to sign in with your PIN or your MS account password when you are offline and don't have an internet connection.
(Apologize for late reply)
Thanks much Bree, you answered all my immediate questions.
Now as to doing a clean install on this device, I surmise the premise put forth by cereberus is that while I'm still in S-mode, Shift + F10 (or any other method) will not work to get me to a command prompt for the MS acct bypass. So maybe it will when I try a clean install via USB.
But wondering if maybe HP different on this?
I was a bit dismayed that the S-mode would not let me complete my initial power on setup without having internet access. Two weeks ago on an Acer Aspire 5 Windows 11, was able to complete my new (first) power on S-Mode by pulling the internet connection at the MS Acct point.
But on the first power on S-mode this HP stopped there and said not going to happen without internet access. Possibly the Acer was setup different for it's first S-Mode power on setup, I don't remember every step but I know it did complete without a MS acct.

Just wondering if anyone else had any problems with HP or any brand device getting around the MS Sign in S-Mode power up OR via the bypass on a clean install.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 10 & Windows 11
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP 17" Laptop, Acer Aspire 5
Before you do a clean install, why don't you first try to log in with a MS account, disable S mode and convert it to a local account.
If you don't like the results, make a drive image as a backup, save all drivers and do a clean install.
 

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  • OS
    Windows 7 HP 64 - Windows 11 Pro - Lubuntu
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    custom build
    CPU
    i5 6600K - 800MHz to 4400MHz
    Motherboard
    GA-Z170-HD3P
    Memory
    4+4G GSkill DDR4 3000
    Graphics Card(s)
    IG - Intel 530
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung 226BW
    Screen Resolution
    1680x1050
    Hard Drives
    (1) -1 SM951 – 128GB M.2 AHCI PCIe SSD drive for Win 11
    (2) -1 WD SATA 3 - 1T for Data
    (3) -1 WD SATA 3 - 1T for backup
    (4) -1 BX500 SSD - 128G for Windows 7 and Lubuntu
    PSU
    Thermaltake 450W TR2 gold
    Keyboard
    Old and good Chicony mechanical keyboard
    Mouse
    Logitech mX performance - 9 buttons (had to disable some)
    Internet Speed
    500 Mb/s
    Browser
    Firefox 64
  • Operating System
    Windows 7 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Asus Q550LF
    CPU
    i7-4500U 800- 3000MHz
    Motherboard
    Asus Q550LF
    Memory
    (4+4)G DDR3 1600
    Graphics card(s)
    IG intel 4400 + NVIDIA GeForce GT 745M
    Sound Card
    Realtek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    LG Display LP156WF4-SPH1
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    BX500 120G SSD for Windows and programs
    & 1T HDD for data
    Internet Speed
    350 Mb/s
    Browser
    Firefox 64
The newer HP laptops have such faint tiny model numbers on the back that are hard to read even with magnification in good lighting conditions
 

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System One

  • OS
    Win11
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    2023 HP Pavilion 15t-eg200
    CPU
    Intel® Core™ i7-1255U
    Memory
    16 GB DDR4-3200 SDRAM (2 x 8 GB); 512 GB PCIe® NVMe™ M.2 SSD
    Screen Resolution
    1910x1080
(Apologize for late reply)
Thanks much Bree, you answered all my immediate questions.
Now as to doing a clean install on this device, I surmise the premise put forth by cereberus is that while I'm still in S-mode, Shift + F10 (or any other method) will not work to get me to a command prompt for the MS acct bypass. So maybe it will when I try a clean install via USB.
But wondering if maybe HP different on this?
I was a bit dismayed that the S-mode would not let me complete my initial power on setup without having internet access. Two weeks ago on an Acer Aspire 5 Windows 11, was able to complete my new (first) power on S-Mode by pulling the internet connection at the MS Acct point.
But on the first power on S-mode this HP stopped there and said not going to happen without internet access. Possibly the Acer was setup different for it's first S-Mode power on setup, I don't remember every step but I know it did complete without a MS acct.

Just wondering if anyone else had any problems with HP or any brand device getting around the MS Sign in S-Mode power up OR via the bypass on a clean install.
You cannot use cmmd prompt in S mode.

Well, I have just installed Windows 11 Home in S mode, just entering fake@fake.com as email account and asdf as password (password does not matter), oobe replied "oops", and at next screen, I could set up as local account - see clips below.

If you cannot bypass the MS account, do as @Megahertz says in post #8.



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My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 10 Pro + others in VHDs
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    ASUS Vivobook 14
    CPU
    I7
    Motherboard
    Yep, Laptop has one.
    Memory
    16 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Integrated Intel Iris XE
    Sound Card
    Realtek built in
    Monitor(s) Displays
    N/A
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    1 TB Optane NVME SSD, 1 TB NVME SSD
    PSU
    Yep, got one
    Case
    Yep, got one
    Cooling
    Stella Artois
    Keyboard
    Built in
    Mouse
    Bluetooth , wired
    Internet Speed
    72 Mb/s :-(
    Browser
    Edge mostly
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    TPM 2.0
I recently helped a relative, over the phone, with her new HP laptop. She used her MS account and went quickly through the oobe setup. Then she checked to find out she was running Windows 11 Home in S mode. That was changed quickly via the MS store to Windows 11 Home. After that, all the updates started installing. One of several was the 22h3 update. They were done reasonably quickly and without any problems. I don’t think she’s changed to a local account though.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11/Linux Mint
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Optiplex 960
    CPU
    Intel Core 2 Duo CPU E8400 @ 3.00 GHz x 2
    Memory
    8 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller
    Monitor(s) Displays
    HP x22LED
    Hard Drives
    Crucial 250 GB SSD, HD 1Tb
I recently helped a relative, over the phone, with her new HP laptop. She used her MS account and went quickly through the oobe setup. Then she checked to find out she was running Windows 11 Home in S mode. That was changed quickly via the MS store to Windows 11 Home. After that, all the updates started installing. One of several was the 22h3 update. They were done reasonably quickly and without any problems. I don’t think she’s changed to a local account though.
One thing that is not talked about is even if you use a local account to log in you can still use a Microsoft account for other things that need it. For example, I always use local accounts for my computers. However, if need to buy something on the MS store I log into it with my Microsoft account. That is separate from how I log in. The same for MS Office.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    ASUS TUF Gaming A15 (2022)
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 7 6800H with Radeon 680M GPU (486MB RAM)
    Memory
    Crucial DDR5-4800 (2400MHz) 32GB (2 x 16GB)
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA RTX 3060 Laptop (6GB RAM)
    Sound Card
    n/a
    Monitor(s) Displays
    15.6-inch
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080 300Hz
    Hard Drives
    2 x Samsung 980 (1TB M.2 NVME SSD)
    PSU
    n/a
    Mouse
    Wireless Mouse M510
    Internet Speed
    1200Mbps/250Mbps
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Malwarebytes
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom build
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 7 3700X
    Motherboard
    ASUS PRIME X370-PRO
    Memory
    G.SKILL Flare X 32GB (2x16GB) DDR4
    Graphics card(s)
    ASUS ROG-STRIX-RTX3060TI-08G-V2-GAMING (RTX 3060-Ti, 8GB RAM)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung S23A300B (23-in LED)
    Screen Resolution
    1080p 60Hz
    Hard Drives
    2TB XPG SX8200 Pro (M2. PCIe SSD) || 2TB Intel 660P (M2. PCIe SSD) ||
    PSU
    Corsair RM750x (750 watts)
    Case
    Cooler Master MasterCase 5
    Cooling
    Corsair H60 AIO water cooler
    Mouse
    Logitech K350 (wireless)
    Keyboard
    Logitech M510 (wireless)
    Internet Speed
    1200 Mbps down / 200 Mbps up
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge, Chrome
    Antivirus
    Malwarebytes (Premium)
    Other Info
    ASUS Blu-ray Burner BW-16D1HT (SATA) || Western Digital Elements 12TB USB 3.0 external hard drive used with Acronis True Image backup software || HP OfficeJet Pro 6975 Printer/Scanner
One thing that is not talked about is even if you use a local account to log in you can still use a Microsoft account for other things that need it. For example, I always use local accounts for my computers. However, if need to buy something on the MS store I log into it with my Microsoft account. That is separate from how I log in. The same for MS Office.
Yes, you can use all the features of an MS account without actually switching from a local account to an MS account. That includes OneDrive. I do that for most of my machines.

 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Aspire 3 A315-23
    CPU
    AMD Athlon Silver 3050U
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Radeon Graphics
    Monitor(s) Displays
    laptop screen
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768 native resolution, up to 2560x1440 with Radeon Virtual Super Resolution
    Hard Drives
    1TB Samsung EVO 870 SSD
    Internet Speed
    50 Mbps
    Browser
    Edge, Firefox
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    fully 'Windows 11 ready' laptop. Windows 10 C: partition migrated from my old unsupported 'main machine' then upgraded to 11. A test migration ran Insider builds for 2 months. When 11 was released on 5th October it was re-imaged back to 10 and was offered the upgrade in Windows Update on 20th October. Windows Update offered the 22H2 Feature Update on 20th September 2022. It got the 23H2 Feature Update on 4th November 2023 through Windows Update.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro (and all my Hyper-V VMs).

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 8GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Beta as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 4GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus the Insider Beta, Dev, Canary, and Release Preview builds as a native boot .vhdx.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Lattitude E4310
    CPU
    Intel® Core™ i5-520M
    Motherboard
    0T6M8G
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics card(s)
    (integrated graphics) Intel HD Graphics
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768
    Hard Drives
    500GB Crucial MX500 SSD
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    unsupported machine: Legacy bios, MBR, TPM 1.2, upgraded from W10 to W11 using W10/W11 hybrid install media workaround. In-place upgrade to 22H2 using ISO and a workaround. Feature Update to 23H2 by manually installing the Enablement Package. Also running Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds as a native boot .vhdx.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro (and all my Hyper-V VMs).

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 8GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Beta as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 4GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus the Insider Beta, Dev, Canary, and Release Preview builds as a native boot .vhdx.
The newer HP laptops have such faint tiny model numbers on the back that are hard to read even with magnification in good lighting conditions
For sure they are tiny, not sure what HP was thinking there. But the 17in display is great and my wife can use a smaller resolution without the desktop screen narrowing. Her eyes are not what they used to be. And I got a great price on it at $299.99
Before you do a clean install, why don't you first try to log in with a MS account, disable S mode and convert it to a local account.
If you don't like the results, make a drive image as a backup, save all drivers and do a clean install.
Thanks so much those are excellent ideas and will note them and pursue all of those options. Thanks loads for the link on saving the drivers.
And to thanks to everyone, all the replies have been a great help. This is a great forum just like Windows Ten is. Both have excellent tutorials and members.

You cannot use cmmd prompt in S mode.

Well, I have just installed Windows 11 Home in S mode, just entering fake@fake.com as email account and asdf as password (password does not matter), oobe replied "oops", and at next screen, I could set up as local account
Well yesterday was my day for chain yanks I guess. I tried what you said again to see why it did not work for me yesterday. This time I typed exactly as you said fake@fake.com and it went straight to the password entry. So puzzled I remember yesterday not typing exactly what you said but something similar, so to test this out I hit back and typed fakebakery@fake.com
it pops msg up saying That Microsoft Account doesn't exist. Enter a different account or create new one.
But if I type in fake@fake.com (exactly as you said) then upon enter it does not give said msg and then asks me to enter a password.
So (on another device) I checked, and there is an actual site named fake.com. So (back on the S-Mode Laptop) I type in
no-pswd-4-you and it then gives me the Oops something went wrong. And it continues to the Who's going to use this Device and I set up my local acct. All while my ethernet is plugged in and connecting also.

So I'm guessing there really is a MS acct with an email login of fake@fake.com (? if not, why does it pass by the popup msg ?)
In any case fake@fake.com does work. I should have typed it exactly as you said, but all the chain yanks from Microsoft had flustered my aging brain and I just typed in something similar. (kinda wondering though as unlikely that could happen what if we'd typed in the correct password?)
Thanks cereberus
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 10 & Windows 11
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP 17" Laptop, Acer Aspire 5
I have installed both Windows 10 and 11 at least a dozen time and have always have been able to bypass the requirement for a Microsoft account. When it asks for me to create or login with a Microsoft account I just keep it simple and try to log in with the following fake Microsoft account:
Username: username
Password: password

I then always get the message, "Oops, something went wrong." It then asks me to create a local account.

I think some people try to be too clever about this. I keep it simple by using a username and password that are easy to remember.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    ASUS TUF Gaming A15 (2022)
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 7 6800H with Radeon 680M GPU (486MB RAM)
    Memory
    Crucial DDR5-4800 (2400MHz) 32GB (2 x 16GB)
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA RTX 3060 Laptop (6GB RAM)
    Sound Card
    n/a
    Monitor(s) Displays
    15.6-inch
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080 300Hz
    Hard Drives
    2 x Samsung 980 (1TB M.2 NVME SSD)
    PSU
    n/a
    Mouse
    Wireless Mouse M510
    Internet Speed
    1200Mbps/250Mbps
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Malwarebytes
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom build
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 7 3700X
    Motherboard
    ASUS PRIME X370-PRO
    Memory
    G.SKILL Flare X 32GB (2x16GB) DDR4
    Graphics card(s)
    ASUS ROG-STRIX-RTX3060TI-08G-V2-GAMING (RTX 3060-Ti, 8GB RAM)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung S23A300B (23-in LED)
    Screen Resolution
    1080p 60Hz
    Hard Drives
    2TB XPG SX8200 Pro (M2. PCIe SSD) || 2TB Intel 660P (M2. PCIe SSD) ||
    PSU
    Corsair RM750x (750 watts)
    Case
    Cooler Master MasterCase 5
    Cooling
    Corsair H60 AIO water cooler
    Mouse
    Logitech K350 (wireless)
    Keyboard
    Logitech M510 (wireless)
    Internet Speed
    1200 Mbps down / 200 Mbps up
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge, Chrome
    Antivirus
    Malwarebytes (Premium)
    Other Info
    ASUS Blu-ray Burner BW-16D1HT (SATA) || Western Digital Elements 12TB USB 3.0 external hard drive used with Acronis True Image backup software || HP OfficeJet Pro 6975 Printer/Scanner
My relative uses OneDrive. She used it on the old laptop and it's 'on' in the new HP.

She was happy to see that on the new HP laptop all her apps and settings from the old laptop were now available.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11/Linux Mint
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Optiplex 960
    CPU
    Intel Core 2 Duo CPU E8400 @ 3.00 GHz x 2
    Memory
    8 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller
    Monitor(s) Displays
    HP x22LED
    Hard Drives
    Crucial 250 GB SSD, HD 1Tb
For sure they are tiny, not sure what HP was thinking there. But the 17in display is great and my wife can use a smaller resolution without the desktop screen narrowing. Her eyes are not what they used to be. And I got a great price on it at $299.99

Thanks so much those are excellent ideas and will note them and pursue all of those options. Thanks loads for the link on saving the drivers.
And to thanks to everyone, all the replies have been a great help. This is a great forum just like Windows Ten is. Both have excellent tutorials and members.


Well yesterday was my day for chain yanks I guess. I tried what you said again to see why it did not work for me yesterday. This time I typed exactly as you said fake@fake.com and it went straight to the password entry. So puzzled I remember yesterday not typing exactly what you said but something similar, so to test this out I hit back and typed fakebakery@fake.com
it pops msg up saying That Microsoft Account doesn't exist. Enter a different account or create new one.
But if I type in fake@fake.com (exactly as you said) then upon enter it does not give said msg and then asks me to enter a password.
So (on another device) I checked, and there is an actual site named fake.com. So (back on the S-Mode Laptop) I type in
no-pswd-4-you and it then gives me the Oops something went wrong. And it continues to the Who's going to use this Device and I set up my local acct. All while my ethernet is plugged in and connecting also.

So I'm guessing there really is a MS acct with an email login of fake@fake.com (? if not, why does it pass by the popup msg ?)
In any case fake@fake.com does work. I should have typed it exactly as you said, but all the chain yanks from Microsoft had flustered my aging brain and I just typed in something similar. (kinda wondering though as unlikely that could happen what if we'd typed in the correct password?)
Thanks cereberus
Yeah good point - if there really is an account fake@fake.com, and you got the password right, that would be funny.

Maybe there is some poor guy in the world who gets bombarded with millions of "somebody tried to access your account" messages LOL.


This is interesting. I just sent an email to fake@fake.com and of course delivery failed but what was odd was statement message was blocked.

I did same to a totally fictitious account and got normal reply no user found.

So it seems to me that fake@fake.com is a genuine email address but hidden behind some server?

So I am purely guessing here if you put any old fake email in, oobe rejects it as it knows it is a fake address but if you fake@fake.com oobe thinks it is genuine but falls over as it is blocked somehow - hence forcing "oops something went wrong"?

This is inline with your experience.

Of course, sooner or later, this loophole will get blocked.
 
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My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 10 Pro + others in VHDs
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    ASUS Vivobook 14
    CPU
    I7
    Motherboard
    Yep, Laptop has one.
    Memory
    16 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Integrated Intel Iris XE
    Sound Card
    Realtek built in
    Monitor(s) Displays
    N/A
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    1 TB Optane NVME SSD, 1 TB NVME SSD
    PSU
    Yep, got one
    Case
    Yep, got one
    Cooling
    Stella Artois
    Keyboard
    Built in
    Mouse
    Bluetooth , wired
    Internet Speed
    72 Mb/s :-(
    Browser
    Edge mostly
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    TPM 2.0
As discussed on other similar threads, the command trick only works if the computer is disconnected from the internet. That means don't connect to your Wi-Fi and don't connect the network cable until you have successfully created the local account and you login to the desktop. At the network screen press SHIFT+F10 to open a Command Prompt. If that doesn't work press SHIFT+FN+F10. Then execute the command oobe\bypassnro This will make some changes and restart back to the initial configuration screen (aka OOBE). This time at the network screen you should see the text "I don't have an internet connection" (provided you are disconnected from the internet). Click on that and you should be offered to create a local account and "miss" some features. Ignore that and proceed.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 64-bit (build 22631.3672)
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Extensa 5630EZ
    CPU
    Mobile DualCore Intel Core 2 Duo T7250, 2000 MHz
    Motherboard
    Acer Extensa 5630
    Memory
    4GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Mobile Intel(R) GMA 4500M (Mobile 4 series)
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC268 @ Intel 82801IB ICH9 - High Definition Audio Controller
    Monitor(s) Displays
    1
    Screen Resolution
    1280x800
    Hard Drives
    Samsung SSD 850 EVO 250GB SATA Device (250 GB, SATA-III)
    Internet Speed
    VDSL 50 Mbps
    Browser
    MICROSOFT EDGE
    Antivirus
    WINDOWS DEFENDER
    Other Info
    Legacy MBR installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, no WDDM 2.0 graphics drivers, cannot get more unsupported ;) This is only my test laptop. I had installed Windows 11 here before upgrading my main PC. For my main PC I use everyday see my 2nd system specs.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro v23H2 (build 22631.3672)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom-built PC
    CPU
    Intel Core-i7 3770 3.40GHz s1155 (3rd generation)
    Motherboard
    Asus P8H61 s1155 ATX
    Memory
    2x Kingston Hyper-X Blu 8GB DDR3-1600
    Graphics card(s)
    Gainward NE5105T018G1-1070F (nVidia GeForce GTX 1050Ti 4GB GDDR5)
    Sound Card
    Realtek HD audio (ALC887)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia KDL-19L4000 19" LCD TV via VGA
    Screen Resolution
    1440x900 32-bit 60Hz
    Hard Drives
    Patriot Burst Elite 480GB SSD as system disk, Western Digital Caviar Purple 4TB SATA III (WD40PURZ) as second
    PSU
    Thermaltake Litepower RGB 550W Full Wired
    Case
    SUPERCASE MIDI-TOWER
    Cooling
    Stock Intel CPU Fan, 1x 8cm fan at the back
    Mouse
    Sunnyline OptiEye PS/2
    Keyboard
    Mitsumi 101-key PS/2
    Internet Speed
    100Mbps
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge, Mozilla Firefox
    Antivirus
    Microsoft Windows Defender
    Other Info
    Legacy BIOS (MBR) installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, WDDM 3.0 graphics drivers, WEI score 7.4
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