Uncertainties about the future of Windows 11 on my old PC


VladdyProsa

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Hi there!! My name is Vladimir, and back in the day, I was a member of EightForums and TenForums. I had been running Windows 10 on my old rig for over a decade, but a week ago I decided to upgrade to Windows 11 on unsupported hardware using AveYo's TPM Bypass script, which worked like a charm!!! However, I noticed that I ended up stuck on build 22621 and unable to enroll in the Insider Program through Windows Update, so I resorted to the Offline Insider Enroll method and updated to build 22635 yesterday!!! Although everything has gone well so far, I wonder how long I will continue to receive updates through the beta channel and if a future update could eventually make Windows 11 unbootable on my old rig. My PC is an Intel Q9550 2.83 GHz | 8GB DDR 1333MHz | VGA R7 450 4GB GDDR5 | 1TB SSD. Any thoughts?
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    DELL Optiplex 380
    CPU
    Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550 @ 2.83 GHZ
    Motherboard
    DELL G41 0HN7XN
    Memory
    8 GB DDR3 1333 MHz
    Graphics Card(s)
    AMD RX 550 LEXA 4GB DX12 128-BIT
    Sound Card
    Onboard HD Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    AOC 32" 60 Hz
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    1x SSD Hynix 1 TB (Windows 11)
    1x SSD Hynix 1 TB (Swap File / Recovery / System Backup)
    1x HDD Seagate Barracuda Green 4 TB (Main Storage)
    PSU
    DELL 345W
    Case
    DELL SFF
    Cooling
    DELL STOCK AIR COOLER
    Keyboard
    MULTILASER GAMER
    Mouse
    MULTILASER GAMER
    Internet Speed
    600 MBPS
    Browser
    EDGE/CHROME
    Antivirus
    AVAST PREMIUM
    Other Info
    OLD DELL RIGS ARE BRAVE
  • Operating System
    Windows 10
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Samsung
    CPU
    Core i3 4005 1.7 GHZ
    Motherboard
    Unknown
    Memory
    8 GB DDR4 2133 MHZ
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel HD Graphics 4400
    Sound Card
    Onboard HD Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    14"
    Screen Resolution
    1366 x 768
    Hard Drives
    1x SSD 240 GB
    1x HDD 500 GB
    PSU
    STOCK
    Cooling
    STOCK
    Mouse
    MULTILASER
    Keyboard
    MULTILASER
    Internet Speed
    600 MBPS
    Browser
    CHROME
    Antivirus
    AVAST PREMIUM
    Other Info
    DUAL-CORE SUCKS

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 7 SP 16 (or Windows 11 SP 2 or Sun Valley 2)
    Computer type
    Laptop
    CPU
    Intel & AMD
    Memory
    SO-DIMM SK Hynix 15.8 GB Dual-Channel DDR4-2666 (2 x 8 GB) 1329MHz (19-19-19-43)
    Graphics Card(s)
    nVidia RTX 2060 6GB Mobile GPU (TU106M)
    Sound Card
    Onbord Realtek ALC1220
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    1x Samsung PM981 NVMe PCIe M.2 512GB / 1x Seagate Expansion ST1000LM035 1TB

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP Pavilion
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 7 5700G
    Motherboard
    Erica6
    Memory
    Micron Technology DDR4-3200 16GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC671
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung SyncMaster U28E590
    Screen Resolution
    3840 x 2160
    Hard Drives
    SAMSUNG MZVLQ1T0HALB-000H1
This can't be bypassed - if the Windows Kernel requires CPUs with SSE4.2 / SSE4A instructions set.

Such as: Sse 4.2 CPU List
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 7 SP 16 (or Windows 11 SP 2 or Sun Valley 2)
    Computer type
    Laptop
    CPU
    Intel & AMD
    Memory
    SO-DIMM SK Hynix 15.8 GB Dual-Channel DDR4-2666 (2 x 8 GB) 1329MHz (19-19-19-43)
    Graphics Card(s)
    nVidia RTX 2060 6GB Mobile GPU (TU106M)
    Sound Card
    Onbord Realtek ALC1220
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    1x Samsung PM981 NVMe PCIe M.2 512GB / 1x Seagate Expansion ST1000LM035 1TB
Welcome to the forum, Vladimir. I run supported hardware myself so all I can do is give my opinion on what I would do if I did based on what I've observed from recent moves and announcements by MS. We have to consider that MS is MS. No one knows what they will ultimately do and there's always uncertainty, but as others said, the writing seems to be on the wall.

If I depended on only one incompatible system to be my daily driver,I certainly would not be running an insider build. Running an insider build is a risk but doing so on incompatible hardware has a more than uncertain future. If one machine was all I had and it would no longer update, I would get it to the latest stable release build that it would run and use it as long as I could. 22h2 will be supported until 10/25 and run beyond that, albeit without security updates. There are ways to prevent MS from attempting to automatically updating it to a later build.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 22631.3447
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Optiplex 7080
    CPU
    i9-10900 10 core 20 threads
    Motherboard
    DELL 0J37VM
    Memory
    32 gb
    Graphics Card(s)
    none-Intel UHD Graphics 630
    Sound Card
    Integrated Realtek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Benq 27
    Screen Resolution
    2560x1440
    Hard Drives
    1tb Solidigm m.2 +256gb ssd+512 gb usb m.2 sata
    PSU
    500w
    Case
    MT
    Cooling
    Dell Premium
    Keyboard
    Logitech wired
    Mouse
    Logitech wireless
    Internet Speed
    so slow I'm too embarrassed to tell
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Defender+MWB Premium
  • Operating System
    Windows 10 Pro 22H2 19045.3930
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Optiplex 9020
    CPU
    i7-4770
    Memory
    24 gb
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Benq 27
    Screen Resolution
    2560x1440
    Hard Drives
    256 gb Toshiba BG4 M.2 NVE SSB and 1 tb hdd
    PSU
    500w
    Case
    MT
    Cooling
    Dell factory
    Mouse
    Logitech wireless
    Keyboard
    Logitech wired
    Internet Speed
    still not telling
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Defender+MWB Premium
The one thing I took to heart when I got in the Win10 Insider Program was not to use it on a Production or the only machine available as there would be changes and things may break. After Win11 came out and I got new computers, Notebook and Desktop, I relegated the IP machine to Linux Mint, working fine.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Win11 Pro RTM
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Vostro 3400
    CPU
    Intel Core i5 11th Gen. 2.40GHz
    Memory
    12GB
    Hard Drives
    256GB SSD NVMe
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro RTM x64
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Vostro 5890
    CPU
    Intel Core i5 10th Gen. 2.90GHz
    Memory
    16GB
    Graphics card(s)
    Onboard, no VGA, using a DisplayPort-to-VGA adapter
    Monitor(s) Displays
    24" Dell
    Hard Drives
    512GB SSD NVMe, 2TB WDC HDD
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender/Microsoft Security
Hi @VladdyProsa and Welcome to the Windows 11 Forums. I hope this isn't your main computer. Unless your CPU supports SSE4.2 it won't be able to run any 24h2 builds. If your computer dose upgrade to a 24H2 build it won't be able to boot unless it does support SSE4.2. I would take some time to consider if you really want to use Windows 11 let alone an insider build on this computer.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Canary Channel
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    PowerSpec B746
    CPU
    Intel Core i7-10700K
    Motherboard
    ASRock Z490 Phantom Gaming 4/ax
    Memory
    16GB (8GB PC4-19200 DDR4 SDRAM x2)
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 TI
    Sound Card
    Realtek Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung SAM0A87 Samsung SAM0D32
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    NVMe WDC WDS100T2B0C-00PXH0 1TB
    Samsung SSD 860 EVO 1TB
    PSU
    750 Watts (62.5A)
    Case
    PowerSpec/Lian Li ATX 205
    Keyboard
    Logitech K270
    Mouse
    Logitech M185
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge and Firefox
    Antivirus
    ESET Internet Security
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Canary Channel
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    PowerSpec G156
    CPU
    Intel Core i5-8400 CPU @ 2.80GHz
    Motherboard
    AsusTeK Prime B360M-S
    Memory
    16 MB DDR 4-2666
    Monitor(s) Displays
    23" Speptre HDMI 75Hz
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 970 EVO 500GB NVMe
    Mouse
    Logitek M185
    Keyboard
    Logitek K270
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge and Edge Canary
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
If you don't have POPCNT, 24H2 won't run, period.

In general, if your unsupported processor ran Windows 10, it will run Windows 11.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 24H2
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP ZBook G2
    CPU
    Intel® Core i7 5500u
    Motherboard
    HP
    Memory
    8 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel HD Family Graphics AMD Firepro 4150M
    Sound Card
    Realtek High Audio
    Hard Drives
    1 TB SSD
    Mouse
    HP USB Mouse
    Antivirus
    Zone Alarm Free Antivirus/Zone Alarm Free Firewall NEXT GEN
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro 24H2
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP Zbook G4
    CPU
    Xeon 1535m v6
    Motherboard
    HP
    Memory
    32 GB
    Graphics card(s)
    AMD Quadro Pro 4100
    Sound Card
    Bang and Olufson Audio
    Hard Drives
    1TB SSD
    Mouse
    HP USB Mouse
    Antivirus
    Zone Alarm Free Antivirus/Zone Alarm Free Firewall NEXT GEN
Hi @Winuser ✌️I also have an old Core i3 laptop where I'll keep Windows 10 and the vast majority of my data is safe in backup!!! Also, my second SSD has a healthy Windows 10 install, so in the worst case scenario I'll just have to rearrange the disks and reinstall a bunch of stuff!!! It may sound weird but I have a sentimental attachment to my old Dell Optiplex that has served me well for the past 10 years!!! However, it's time to face the truth!!! I'll probably use Windows 11 23H2 as long as I can on it and start thinking about building a decent machine as soon as possible!!!
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    DELL Optiplex 380
    CPU
    Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550 @ 2.83 GHZ
    Motherboard
    DELL G41 0HN7XN
    Memory
    8 GB DDR3 1333 MHz
    Graphics Card(s)
    AMD RX 550 LEXA 4GB DX12 128-BIT
    Sound Card
    Onboard HD Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    AOC 32" 60 Hz
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    1x SSD Hynix 1 TB (Windows 11)
    1x SSD Hynix 1 TB (Swap File / Recovery / System Backup)
    1x HDD Seagate Barracuda Green 4 TB (Main Storage)
    PSU
    DELL 345W
    Case
    DELL SFF
    Cooling
    DELL STOCK AIR COOLER
    Keyboard
    MULTILASER GAMER
    Mouse
    MULTILASER GAMER
    Internet Speed
    600 MBPS
    Browser
    EDGE/CHROME
    Antivirus
    AVAST PREMIUM
    Other Info
    OLD DELL RIGS ARE BRAVE
  • Operating System
    Windows 10
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Samsung
    CPU
    Core i3 4005 1.7 GHZ
    Motherboard
    Unknown
    Memory
    8 GB DDR4 2133 MHZ
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel HD Graphics 4400
    Sound Card
    Onboard HD Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    14"
    Screen Resolution
    1366 x 768
    Hard Drives
    1x SSD 240 GB
    1x HDD 500 GB
    PSU
    STOCK
    Cooling
    STOCK
    Mouse
    MULTILASER
    Keyboard
    MULTILASER
    Internet Speed
    600 MBPS
    Browser
    CHROME
    Antivirus
    AVAST PREMIUM
    Other Info
    DUAL-CORE SUCKS
You can make a System Image file using Macrium Reflect or your favorite Image/Clone app. So, if Windows updates and disables your system automatically, you can restore to the previous version easily.
Other than that, Windows 10 is Supported until October 2025.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 64 bit 22H2
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Gigabyte Z390 UD
    CPU
    Intel Core i7 77000 3.60
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte Z390 UD
    Memory
    16 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    nVidia GEForce RTX 2060 Super
    Sound Card
    onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Two 27" Dell 4K monitors
    Screen Resolution
    3840 x 2160
    Hard Drives
    M.2 NVME SSD, 500 GB; Two 2TB Mechanical HDD's
    PSU
    850w PSU
    Case
    Cyberpower PC
    Cooling
    Water cooled
    Keyboard
    Backlit Cyberpower gamiong keyboard
    Mouse
    Backlit Cyberpower gaming mouse
    Internet Speed
    1 GB mbps
    Browser
    Brave
    Antivirus
    Windows Security
I have a sentimental attachment to my old Dell Optiplex that has served me well for the past 10 years!!! However, it's time to face the truth!!! I'll probably use Windows 11 23H2 as long as I can on it and start thinking about building a decent machine as soon as possible!!!
As far as I can make out your Core 2 Quad Q9550 does not have the SSE4.2 instruction set which introduced the PopCnt instruction. It cannot run 24H2, and if you install it then it won't even be able to boot.
I also have an old Core i3 laptop...
Which generation? My System Two in My Computers below has a 'previous generation' (ie, the one before 2nd gen) Core i5-520M and that one does have PopCnt - in fact I've successfully tested installing 24H2 on it.

You can use CPU-Z to see if your CPU meets 24H2's requirement for SSE4.2 (or SSE4A if it's an AMD).

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My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Aspire 3 A315-23
    CPU
    AMD Athlon Silver 3050U
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Radeon Graphics
    Monitor(s) Displays
    laptop screen
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768 native resolution, up to 2560x1440 with Radeon Virtual Super Resolution
    Hard Drives
    1TB Samsung EVO 870 SSD
    Internet Speed
    50 Mbps
    Browser
    Edge, Firefox
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    fully 'Windows 11 ready' laptop. Windows 10 C: partition migrated from my old unsupported 'main machine' then upgraded to 11. A test migration ran Insider builds for 2 months. When 11 was released on 5th October it was re-imaged back to 10 and was offered the upgrade in Windows Update on 20th October. Windows Update offered the 22H2 Feature Update on 20th September 2022. It got the 23H2 Feature Update on 4th November 2023 through Windows Update.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro (and all my Hyper-V VMs).

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 8GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Beta as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 4GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus the Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds as a native boot .vhdx.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Lattitude E4310
    CPU
    Intel® Core™ i5-520M
    Motherboard
    0T6M8G
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics card(s)
    (integrated graphics) Intel HD Graphics
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768
    Hard Drives
    500GB Crucial MX500 SSD
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    unsupported machine: Legacy bios, MBR, TPM 1.2, upgraded from W10 to W11 using W10/W11 hybrid install media workaround. In-place upgrade to 22H2 using ISO and a workaround. Feature Update to 23H2 by manually installing the Enablement Package. Also running Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds as a native boot .vhdx.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro (and all my Hyper-V VMs).

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 8GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Beta as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 4GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus the Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds as a native boot .vhdx.
Hi @Winuser ✌️I also have an old Core i3 laptop where I'll keep Windows 10 and the vast majority of my data is safe in backup!!! Also, my second SSD has a healthy Windows 10 install, so in the worst case scenario I'll just have to rearrange the disks and reinstall a bunch of stuff!!! It may sound weird but I have a sentimental attachment to my old Dell Optiplex that has served me well for the past 10 years!!! However, it's time to face the truth!!! I'll probably use Windows 11 23H2 as long as I can on it and start thinking about building a decent machine as soon as possible!!!
It good to hear that you are prepared for the worst. There are a number computer users that wait until it's to late and we can't help them. After owning and using the computer for 10 years I can understand your sentiment. Seeing how your running a Dev build there is an expiration date. Type winver in the search box and click on the shortcut. Winver will show you the date. I never tried it so I don't know what happens if your build goes past that date.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Canary Channel
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    PowerSpec B746
    CPU
    Intel Core i7-10700K
    Motherboard
    ASRock Z490 Phantom Gaming 4/ax
    Memory
    16GB (8GB PC4-19200 DDR4 SDRAM x2)
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 TI
    Sound Card
    Realtek Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung SAM0A87 Samsung SAM0D32
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    NVMe WDC WDS100T2B0C-00PXH0 1TB
    Samsung SSD 860 EVO 1TB
    PSU
    750 Watts (62.5A)
    Case
    PowerSpec/Lian Li ATX 205
    Keyboard
    Logitech K270
    Mouse
    Logitech M185
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge and Firefox
    Antivirus
    ESET Internet Security
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Canary Channel
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    PowerSpec G156
    CPU
    Intel Core i5-8400 CPU @ 2.80GHz
    Motherboard
    AsusTeK Prime B360M-S
    Memory
    16 MB DDR 4-2666
    Monitor(s) Displays
    23" Speptre HDMI 75Hz
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 970 EVO 500GB NVMe
    Mouse
    Logitek M185
    Keyboard
    Logitek K270
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge and Edge Canary
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
Which generation? My System Two in My Computers below has a 'previous generation' (ie, the one before 2nd gen) Core i5-520M and that one does have PopCnt - in fact I've successfully tested installing 24H2 on it.
I just checked it, and my Core i3 40005u has the SSE4.2 instruction set, so I'll test installing 24H2 on it this weekend!!! Anyway, it's past time for me to build a modern machine to serve me for another ten years!!! Thanks for the reply!!! :))
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    DELL Optiplex 380
    CPU
    Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550 @ 2.83 GHZ
    Motherboard
    DELL G41 0HN7XN
    Memory
    8 GB DDR3 1333 MHz
    Graphics Card(s)
    AMD RX 550 LEXA 4GB DX12 128-BIT
    Sound Card
    Onboard HD Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    AOC 32" 60 Hz
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    1x SSD Hynix 1 TB (Windows 11)
    1x SSD Hynix 1 TB (Swap File / Recovery / System Backup)
    1x HDD Seagate Barracuda Green 4 TB (Main Storage)
    PSU
    DELL 345W
    Case
    DELL SFF
    Cooling
    DELL STOCK AIR COOLER
    Keyboard
    MULTILASER GAMER
    Mouse
    MULTILASER GAMER
    Internet Speed
    600 MBPS
    Browser
    EDGE/CHROME
    Antivirus
    AVAST PREMIUM
    Other Info
    OLD DELL RIGS ARE BRAVE
  • Operating System
    Windows 10
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Samsung
    CPU
    Core i3 4005 1.7 GHZ
    Motherboard
    Unknown
    Memory
    8 GB DDR4 2133 MHZ
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel HD Graphics 4400
    Sound Card
    Onboard HD Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    14"
    Screen Resolution
    1366 x 768
    Hard Drives
    1x SSD 240 GB
    1x HDD 500 GB
    PSU
    STOCK
    Cooling
    STOCK
    Mouse
    MULTILASER
    Keyboard
    MULTILASER
    Internet Speed
    600 MBPS
    Browser
    CHROME
    Antivirus
    AVAST PREMIUM
    Other Info
    DUAL-CORE SUCKS
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