Update on Windows 11 minimum system requirements

jimbo45 · Jul 28, 2021

SIW2 said:
Not zippy here.

@SIW2

Was this Zippy (or was it Zippo) from Dinotopia series !!

Mine working fine both as VM and on an old laptop

Cheers
jimbo

ray01 · Jul 28, 2021

Boot to start the installation of windows 11 'wait for a message "this PC cannot run windows 11" then press shift + F10
At the command prompt type regedit and press enter.
Go to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE \ SYSTEM \ SETUP and create a new key called LabConfig
Right click on this key to create a new DWORD 32 value called BypassTPMCheck and give it the value 1
Create a DWORD 32 value called BypassRAMCheck value 1
Create a DWORD 32 value called BypassSecureBootCheck and value 1
close the registry and type exit and hit enter.
When you return to the windows installation screen, click on the back arrow; then restart the installation process
You should find that you can install windows 11

BunnyJ · Jul 28, 2021

All of this has to do with the final version of 11 and not the Dev/Insider build. There seems to be a hole in the requirements where some of the cautionary items still allow you to use 11. For example, processor gen type.

In any case... my heart goes out to all PC support staff members and PC repair staff. They'll have their hands full fixing all of the issues when people want to upgrade to 11. People here shouldn't have as hard a time making needed BIOS adjustments as others.

God help us.

BunnyJ · Jul 28, 2021

unifex said:
Why would you want to circumvent Microsoft's requirement? I get it, you might have older hardware and not willing to upgrade. But in that case, what are you trying to accomplish? If it's a kind of sport, showing off your ability to "beat Microsoft", then yeah, sure. But other than that, I see no benefit whatsoever. I have an older laptop myself. It runs Windows 7 and it will keep running it until it gets recycled. Could I install Windows 10 there? Probably. Windows 11? I don't know, I forgot what kind of hardware it has. For me the question is, will I gain anything productivity-wise if I upgrade the OS. And I strongly believe that the answer to that is NO, I will just waste time upgrading and installing.

Gee.. why are you concerned about what others do?

Winuser · Jul 28, 2021

KYHI said:
Why bring Harley Davidson into this - I have enough problems with my Harley..

Back in 2009 I was going to buy a Harley as my retirement toy. Even the used Harleys were out of my price range. I finally decided to go with a 2009 Kawasaki and the only work It has needed were normal maintenances. Oil changes, valves adjusted and just recently two new tires. The tires were the originals and had just over 13,000 miles on them.

Haydon · Jul 28, 2021

One thing that's a hard sell, like car safety, is computer security. TPM 2.0 or seatbelts, people say "I don't need it, I use the computer or car in the same way"

jimbo45 · Jul 28, 2021

BunnyJ said:
All of this has to do with the final version of 11 and not the Dev/Insider build. There seems to be a hole in the requirements where some of the cautionary items still allow you to use 11. For example, processor gen type.

In any case... my heart goes out to all PC support staff members and PC repair staff. They'll have their hands full fixing all of the issues when people want to upgrade to 11. People here shouldn't have as hard a time making needed BIOS adjustments as others.

God help us.

Hi there
It's called "Job Creation" -- why have 1 person who can fix things when you can use 464 !!! - Ever tried visiting a local council's offices - I'm sure that's the same planet wide !!!! or consultancies who love hosing up enterprise SAP software and then use 40 people to make it even worse at huge expense !!!

Cheers
jimbo

Winuser · Jul 28, 2021

BunnyJ said:
All of this has to do with the final version of 11 and not the Dev/Insider build. There seems to be a hole in the requirements where some of the cautionary items still allow you to use 11. For example, processor gen type.

In any case... my heart goes out to all PC support staff members and PC repair staff. They'll have their hands full fixing all of the issues when people want to upgrade to 11. People here shouldn't have as hard a time making needed BIOS adjustments as others.

God help us.

I really don't see a mass exodus from Windows 10. There will be some who want to upgrade and some who think they have to but for the majority of average users they just want a computer that works when they hit the power button. As for the support staff and the repair staff they're just going to say "Sorry you computer is two old. You can stay with Windows 10 until the end of support or if you like we can sell you a new computer."

BunnyJ · Jul 28, 2021

Winuser said:
I really don't see a mass exodus from Windows 10. There will be some who want to upgrade and some who think they have to but for the majority of average users they just want a computer that works when they hit the power button. As for the support staff and the repair staff they're just going to say "Sorry you computer is two old. You can stay with Windows 10 until the end of support or if you like we can sell you a new computer."

Neither do I.. as long as you can use 10 for at least four more years there's no need to And the scenario you describe is likely from big chain stores.... Best Buy etc. I don't know how many small mom/pop shops will do that.. they might just fix the PC so it's complaint

Anibor_11 · Jul 28, 2021

unifex said:
Why would you want to circumvent Microsoft's requirement? I get it, you might have older hardware and not willing to upgrade. But in that case, what are you trying to accomplish? If it's a kind of sport, showing off your ability to "beat Microsoft", then yeah, sure. But other than that, I see no benefit whatsoever. I have an older laptop myself. It runs Windows 7 and it will keep running it until it gets recycled. Could I install Windows 10 there? Probably. Windows 11? I don't know, I forgot what kind of hardware it has. For me the question is, will I gain anything productivity-wise if I upgrade the OS. And I strongly believe that the answer to that is NO, I will just waste time upgrading and installing.

Exactly, I agree completely.

BunnyJ · Jul 28, 2021

Anibor_11 said:
Exactly, I agree completely.

Why are you concerned about what others want to do?

jen1 · Jul 28, 2021

there is already a thread discussing the hardware requirements Update on Windows 11 minimum system requirements hope @Brink can merge them.

I believe that Microsoft will not block updates for unsupported hardware , it will only show a warning .

time will tell . but the security center shows my hardware is supported now after it was not supported and that what counts for me ....

larc919 · Jul 28, 2021

jen1 said:
I believe that Microsoft will not block updates for unsupported hardware , it will only show a warning .

Whatever Microsoft eventually does, I'm sure there will be workarounds. But I have to ask myself if 11 is really worth the bother. Without some substantial improvement, my current feeling is that it's not.

Winuser · Jul 28, 2021

BunnyJ said:
Neither do I.. as long as you can use 10 for at least four more years there's no need to And the scenario you describe is likely from big chain stores.... Best Buy etc. I don't know how many small mom/pop shops will do that.. they might just fix the PC so it's complaint

If it's to old there isn't anything to fix. If it's meets the requirements than yes the shop will or at least a honest shop will make the changes.

Winuser · Jul 28, 2021

jen1 said:
there is already a thread discussing the hardware requirements Update on Windows 11 minimum system requirements hope @Brink can merge them.

I believe that Microsoft will not block updates for unsupported hardware , it will only show a warning .

time will tell . but the security center shows my hardware is supported now after it was not supported and that what counts for me ....

Only Microsoft knows what their plans are. Then again maybe they don't. At least for now there is enough time that no one needs to hit the panic button.

badrobot · Jul 28, 2021

SIW2 said:
Not zippy here.

Not zippy how? Boot up? Opening apps?

unifex · Jul 29, 2021

BunnyJ said:
Gee.. why are you concerned about what others do?

I am not. However, once a question is asked, I am allowed to express an opinion or ask another question.

jen1 · Jul 29, 2021

Winuser said:
Only Microsoft knows what their plans are. Then again maybe they don't. At least for now there is enough time that no one needs to hit the panic button.

I believe that Microsoft doesn't know what they are doing, they thought they can fool the people to buy new hardware with the security excuse, it turned out it is all fake.

Microsoft will not ever succeed to convince anyone that Intel Celeron N4000 it more compatible than the I7 7700K UserBenchmark: Intel Celeron N4000 vs Core i7-7700K

Again, it is just about money.

BTW, I have been running the DEV version of Windows 11 on my I7 7820HK for a while now, and not only it is much faster, it is more stable so far. I am not getting high CPU usage on idle like in Windows 10.

I will not recommend anyone with old hardware to update just for Windows 11 ....

jimbo45 · Jul 29, 2021

Hi folks

@jen1

If you aren't scared of using VM's : You can emulate TPM, "poodlefake" the CPU topology , create UEFI and SECURE boot for the VM even on old MBR only BIOS's often with good results if OS is on an SSD as well as the VM so even "Old Machines" can pass the W11 compatibilty test !!!!

Here's my post from W10 Forum (The VM runs quite happily on old HP envy laptop with only 8GB of RAM !! and Intel older i5 CPU. Does have SSD (Nvme) device (250GB) instead of old slow spinner though).

Introducing Windows 11

So, no Windows 11 for me. I know Windows is greedy, but 64GB for OS, really? I am currently at 12GB.I guess clean install will refuse to install just as 10 did at 20GB. Resizing the partition is not possible.

www.tenforums.com

I'm now having a go on an old SONY VAIO with an Intel PENTIUM IV processor just for fun - It does have Virtualisation and HDMI output so I might be able to get it to work as well --I've replaced the laptop old HDD with an SSD -- mind you the heat those older PENTIUM IV things produce - modern equipment consumes infintely less power (unless you are an extreme gamer on really modern awesome GPU's - that's another issue - if your hardware is old you won't be running modern games a lot so VM's should be fine.

Cheers
jimbo

jen1 · Jul 29, 2021

@jimbo45 My laptop already has everything, it has TMP 2.0, it is only my CPU. so no issues with the TMP.

As Intel discontinued all of desktop 7th gen CPUs, it didn't discontinue the mobile and embedded as my CPU I7 7820HK and it is still lunched, it even discontinued the Intel i7 7820X but so far not mine (I7 7820HK)

Even my motherboard is with Intel CM238 is still lunched and not discontinued. So far only the Intel 100 series are discontinued, but the Intel 200 and C200 are still launched.

Let's wait and see, it is strange that Intel discontinued the desktop 7th gen like Intel 7700K but not the 7820HK or the 7700HQ, I believe it is cause of the companies that bought those CPU with longer support time.

You can read the status on each link, either launched or discontinued.