How to disable Modern Standby? I want regular Sleep again!

wrgwh · Feb 8, 2022

I recently upgraded from a trusty Thinkpad T430 to a Lenovo Yoga Slim 7 Pro (Ryzen 5800H) with Windows 11. I am appalled every morning to find my laptop hot and even spinning its fans if plugged in, or during the day to pull it out of my backpack and feel some warmth with 5-10% less battery life. I have no idea who thought that a professional machine with a hungry x86 processor should behave as a smartphone and be constantly on.

Sadly, my researching online has led to no way to disable completely Modern Standby and bring S3 Sleep back. Even the system reports it doesn't support it:

Is it really possible that a laptop cannot sleep or is it just somehow disabled in the registry? What can I do to enable S3 sleep?

Many thanks

jvickers · Feb 8, 2022

You might not be able to enable S3 sleep. Is there any way to disable SO Low Power Idle? That might be worth looking into.

The-Hive · Feb 8, 2022

Its on this forum as one of the excellent tutorials by @Brink

Disable Modern Standby in Windows 10 and Windows 11 Tutorial

In Windows 10 and Windows 11, there are two power models for PCs: S3 and Modern Standby (S0 Low Power Idle). The S3 power model is an older standard and is not capable of the instant on that consumers expect from modern devices. Modern Standby is capable of leveraging all the capabilities of a...

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jvickers · Feb 8, 2022

Of course, aren't there benefits from modern standby such as recovering work if a power outage occurs?

The-Hive · Feb 8, 2022

I haven't looked into it as mine is not compatible with it

wrgwh · Feb 8, 2022

The-Hive said:
Its on this forum as one of the excellent tutorials by @Brink

Disable Modern Standby in Windows 10 and Windows 11 Tutorial

In Windows 10 and Windows 11, there are two power models for PCs: S3 and Modern Standby (S0 Low Power Idle). The S3 power model is an older standard and is not capable of the instant on that consumers expect from modern devices. Modern Standby is capable of leveraging all the capabilities of a...

www.elevenforum.com

I am afraid none of these options made any difference on my machine. As I said, I have tried everything I could find on Google. There doesn't seem to be a way to enable S3 Sleep or even to disable the network-connected side of Modern Standby...

cereberus · Feb 8, 2022

wrgwh said:
I am afraid none of these options made any difference on my machine. As I said, I have tried everything I could find on Google. There doesn't seem to be a way to enable S3 Sleep or even to disable the network-connected side of Modern Standby...

Yep - my ASUS laptop is basically the same. I suspect all new laptops will go this way.

wrgwh · Feb 8, 2022

cereberus said:
Yep - my ASUS laptop is basically the same. I suspect all new laptops will go this way.

This is truly awful. I will probably disable indexing (I use Everything anyway), Windows Defender and will dig into push notifications. I only really need Outlook for that and I always close Outlook before putting the laptop to sleep because I don't trust it.

An interesting note is whether the same laptop would have normal sleep under Linux or it is disabled in the UEFI.

Bree · Feb 8, 2022

cereberus said:
I suspect all new laptops will go this way.

wrgwh said:
This is truly awful.

I have two 'almost new' laptops, both less than a year old. One supports Modern Standby, the other (cheaper) one doesn't.
While I cannot remove Modern Standby, I could tame it. To save on battery power I like all my laptops to sleep on closing the lid, then hibernate after 20 minutes if I don't return to them.

My first step was to reduce power drain in modern Standby by disabling network connectivity in Modern Standby.

wrgwh said:
There doesn't seem to be a way to ... disable the network-connected side of Modern Standby...

Yes there is.

Enable or Disable Modern Standby Network Connectivity in Windows 11 Tutorial

In Windows 10 and Windows 11, there are two power models for PCs: S3 and Modern Standby (S0 Low Power Idle). The S3 power model is an older standard and is not capable of the instant on that consumers expect from modern devices. Modern Standby is capable of leveraging all the capabilities of a...

www.elevenforum.com

Next I set Hibernate after in Power Options. This setting is missing by default on a Modern Standby install of W11, so first add it back.

Add or Remove Hibernate after from Power Options in Windows

How to Add or Remove 'Hibernate after' from Power Options in Windows

www.tenforums.com

Then I could make my Modern Standby laptop behave like all my other machines.

wrgwh · Feb 8, 2022

Bree said:
I have two 'almost new' laptops, both less than a year old. One supports Modern Standby, the other (cheaper) one doesn't.
While I cannot remove Modern Standby, I could tame it. To save on battery power I like all my laptops to sleep on closing the lid, then hibernate after 20 minutes if I don't return to them.

My first step was to reduce power drain in modern Standby by disabling network connectivity in Modern Standby.

Yes there is.

Enable or Disable Modern Standby Network Connectivity in Windows 11 Tutorial

In Windows 10 and Windows 11, there are two power models for PCs: S3 and Modern Standby (S0 Low Power Idle). The S3 power model is an older standard and is not capable of the instant on that consumers expect from modern devices. Modern Standby is capable of leveraging all the capabilities of a...

www.elevenforum.com

Next I set Hibernate after in Power Options. This setting is missing by default on a Modern Standby install of W11, so first add it back.

Add or Remove Hibernate after from Power Options in Windows

How to Add or Remove 'Hibernate after' from Power Options in Windows

www.tenforums.com

Then I could make my Modern Standby laptop behave like all my other machines.

Thanks for your input! I had indeed disabled network activity through Group Policy but it turned out I only did it for "on battery", and probably that was why the laptop was running warm when plugged in and sleeping. Sleep on battery was definitely better but still some processes did their thing. I presume these are system-wide (indexer, defender, etc.), so they are going away for me.

As for hibernation, my machine auto hibernates when on battery and sleeping over a few hours but I certainly don't like that.
1. SSD wear
2. It's slower to wake up

What the hell was wrong with traditional sleep...? I love how the official Microsoft documentation says "Modern Standby is designed to provide what consumers expect - instant on". But it doesn't! It eats the battery and hibernates, which takes longer to wake up.

Bree · Feb 8, 2022

wrgwh said:
As for hibernation, my machine auto hibernates when on battery and sleeping over a few hours but I certainly don't like that.
1. SSD wear

I gave up worrying about SSD wear a long time ago. I calculate that at my typical rate of use I'll not live to see any of my SSDs reach their specified TBW endurance :wink:

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AddRAM · Feb 8, 2022

No on/off switch ?
No shutdown capability ?

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jvickers · Feb 8, 2022

wrgwh said:
2. It's slower to wake up

What the hell was wrong with traditional sleep...? I love how the official Microsoft documentation says "Modern Standby is designed to provide what consumers expect - instant on". But it doesn't! It eats the battery and hibernates, which takes longer to wake up.

Are you certain this is the case for everyone? Maybe it's something with your particular system that's resulting in slower wakeup. I'm not using a laptop, but I've not noticed that it was slower to wake from Modern Standby.

snerd · Feb 13, 2022

Well, on my new clean install, I close the lid for sleep, but it's always shut down when I open it back up! What's up with that?!

CornishRattler · Feb 13, 2022

snerd said:
Well, on my new clean install, I close the lid for sleep, but it's always shut down when I open it back up! What's up with that?!

snerd · Feb 14, 2022

CornishRattler said:
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lol first thing I checked. Sleep is selected for all.

CornishRattler · Feb 14, 2022

snerd said:
lol first thing I checked. Sleep is selected for all.

Ah right, it wasn't mentioned in the OP so it was the obvious thing to suggest

thomaseg1 · Feb 14, 2022

Well you seem to have ruled out Windows being the culprit so you just might have to check your bios settings.
go to settings / update & security / recovery / advance start up follow the directions to get to your bios settings or ufei settings.
search for sleep modes there and turn them off if active.

Try3 · Feb 14, 2022

snerd said:
Well, on my new clean install, I close the lid for sleep, but it's always shut down when I open it back up! What's up with that?!

What are the results of
PowerCfg -a
on your computer?

See Sleep States Available on Windows 11 PC Tutorial

System power states describe the power consumption of the system as a whole. The operating system supports six system power states, referred to as S0 (fully on and operational) through S5 (power off). Each state is characterized by the following: Power consumption: how much power does the...

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- If it's an S0 computer then its does not "Sleep" in the way we normally use the term [i.e. S3 Sleep].
- S0 Modern standby [aka S0 Low Power Idle] computers start their increasingly severe idle state as soon as the display does off.
- I have an S0 Modern standby that shuts down with the lid closed whatever the Power options setting is. The maker confirmed that this was set by the Bios and that there was no solution.

All the best,
Denis

Try3 · Feb 14, 2022

wrgwh said:
Is it really possible that a laptop cannot sleep ...? What can I do to enable S3 sleep?

Yes.
~~Nothing, probably.~~ No, sorry.

The curse of S0 Modern standby [aka S0 Low power idle] might be curable but not in all cases. The relevant MS article is Disabling modern standby - MSDocs but I had severe side-effects from that. That procedure suppressed S0 without, in my case, enabling S3 and it stopped my network adapters working correctly.
The tutorial adds some background info you might be interested in - Disable Modern Standby in Windows 10 and 11 - ElevenForumTutorials
Sorry, I've just seen that you've already tried that.

This has all been discussed many times. I think S0 modern standby is at least a decade too early. When hardware can use so little power that the computer can last on battery until the middle of next week then perhaps we will regard S0 as useful. But, even then, I don't understand why the extremely useful S3 Sleep we've all grown to know should be denied to us.

One of the many relevant discussions is at another S0 spiel [my #4] - TenForums

Best wishes from a fellow sufferer,
Denis

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