NVME drive what happens to temperature when double speed vs capacity?

hdmi · Nov 11, 2023

Flashorn said:
What is it your looking for exactly? Gaming , Transfers , Daily use , Video editing....?

How about the temperature of all that extra money getting burned on a product that belongs in previous gen?

iko22 · Nov 11, 2023

Flashorn said:
What is it your looking for exactly? Gaming , Transfers , Daily use , Video editing....?

It doesn't matter from my perspective. Whatever stresses the temperature. Could be game level loading or watching a 4K video or some synthetic benchmark doing random and sequential read/writes. I particularly wanted to see the same test run on both 1TB and 2TB cards, and then the same test run on 3500 MB/s and 7000 MB/s cards - to show if there is any difference in measured temperature between the cards.

What I have gleamed so far is that it is only the onboard controller chip (and not the storage chips) that get the hottest. If that is true, then does that mean that a 2TB version is a similar temp to a 1TB version of the same product model? I would be intrigued to find out.

Dru2 · Nov 11, 2023

iko22 said:
It doesn't matter from my perspective. Whatever stresses the temperature. Could be game level loading or watching a 4K video or some synthetic benchmark doing random and sequential read/writes. I particularly wanted to see the same test run on both 1TB and 2TB cards, and then the same test run on 3500 MB/s and 7000 MB/s cards - to show if there is any difference in measured temperature between the cards.

What I have gleamed so far is that it is only the onboard controller chip (and not the storage chips) that get the hottest. If that is true, then does that mean that a 2TB version is a similar temp to a 1TB version of the same product model? I would be intrigued to find out.

I personally think you're way overthinking things here, and especially if your normal day to day use will never mimic those tests.

I don't deep dive into "what ifs". That just gets you into a paralysis through analysis stage where you don't trust anything.

At the end of the day, NVMe drives work, and have a proven track record otherwise they'd have crap reviews wouldn't be in the market; also, why I stick to "proven brands"

And for the record, Western Digital is a proven brand I trust as I've only been using their HDD drives since I got into computers in 1998. When I got into SSDs - OCZ, now Samsung, Western Digital hadn't entered that market yet, otherwise I might be using their NVMe/SATA SSDs today.

Good luck

hdmi · Nov 11, 2023

Dru2 said:
OCZ, now Samsung,

OCZ was not acquired by Samsung. It was acquired by Toshiba, and it later became the Kioxia brand. OCZ - Wikipedia

Flashorn · Nov 11, 2023

iko22 said:
I would be intrigued to find out.

OK so, I have made a few tests.

First off, the 990 Pro was not my first choice but, when the time came to upgrade, SK Hynix price was and still is about $100.00 plus more than what I paid for the 990 Pro.

To start off , this was taken from my MSI GT73 vr 7RE Titan (2017) with a 970 EVO 1TB. Gen 3
Keep in mind that this is a notebook that is at it's height 1 1/2 " in the back and 1 1/4 in the front
so, not allot of space for air circulation \.
At Idle:

Crystal Disk bench

Transferring 39GIGs from a Patriot USB drive to the 970 EVO

And, converting a 1.13 Gig MKV HEVC file to a MP4. This is more CPU intensive than writing.

Next is the 990 Pro from my MSI GE76 Raider. This one is even smaller in dimensions than the GT73.

Transferring the same 39 Gig file from the Patriot USB drive to the 990 Pro.

Crystal Disk Bench 990 Pro

When it's done bench marking

While playing Sniper Elite 4 for about 2 hrs

I use Synergy Toolkit because it is Real Time analysis.

These are all real time tests.

Dru2 · Nov 11, 2023

hdmi said:
OCZ was not acquired by Samsung. It was acquired by Toshiba, and it later became the Kioxia brand. OCZ - Wikipedia

True. And I never said they did...

Dru2 said:
When I got into SSDs - OCZ, now Samsung,

That means I moved "from" OCZ "to" Samsung

BTW, it was because of rumors (at that time) OCZ was filing for bankruptcy - OCZ Filing for Bankruptcy. I'd commented in that thread that I was moving (did move) to Samsung - OCZ Filing for Bankruptcy

By that time, I was on my second OCZ SSD drive (256Gig OCZ Vertex 4). That was in 2013. BTW my decision to get my First SSD - Show us your SSD performance - Windows 7 Help Forums

hdmi · Nov 12, 2023

Dru2 said:
True. And I never said they did...

That means I moved "from" OCZ "to" Samsung

My bad, I misunderstood that part of your sentence.

Dru2 said:
BTW, it was because of rumors (at that time) OCZ was filing for bankruptcy - OCZ Filing for Bankruptcy. I'd commented in that thread that I was moving (did move) to Samsung - OCZ Filing for Bankruptcy

By that time, I was on my second OCZ SSD drive (256Gig OCZ Vertex 4). That was in 2013. BTW my decision to get my First SSD - Show us your SSD performance - Windows 7 Help Forums

I don't know about the Vertex 4, but I still remember that the vast majority of SSDs that were popular choices during those first few years after Windows 7 came out (also including the Vertex and the Vertex 2) were having firmware stability issues. People had been reporting that their SSD suddenly bricked for no apparent reason. It later turned out that SSD firmware issues were pretty much the norm back then, and that they were the actual culprit.

Personally, I, didn't get into SSDs until the beginning of 2018 when I bought my previous laptop with Intel Core i5-7200U, 8GB DDR4, GeForce 940MX 2GB GDDR5, 256GB SK Hynix M.2 SATA SSD and 1TB HDD. This was when I moved from Windows 8.1 to 10, it replaced my Asus R510L with Core i7-4510U, 8GB DDR3, GeForce 820M and 1TB HDD. The old Asus had InstantOn and only needed to reboot 2 or 3 times per month so was able to just leave programs open and let Diskeeper take care of the HDD, as an SSD would've been mostly overkill for how I used it, whereas the 1TB internal storage capacity was most definitely not overkill. Thing is, decently spec'd (non gaming) laptops that had both SSD and HDD were still fairly expensive about half a year before Windows 10 finally came out. What a lot of people don't know is that Windows 8.1 ran smoother than Windows 7 on most hardware that supported Windows 8/8.1, and smoother than Windows 10 for waa-aaaa-aaaaaaay over a year after Windows 10 came out. So much so, in a lot of situations buying into SSD was still contrary to getting the best bang for the buck during that same era (and contrary to popular belief, but anyway... that's just the nature of the internet...).

Dru2 · Nov 12, 2023

hdmi said:
My bad, I misunderstood that part of your sentence.

I don't know about the Vertex 4, but I still remember that the vast majority of SSDs that were popular choices during those first few years after Windows 7 came out (also including the Vertex and the Vertex 2) were having firmware stability issues. ...

My Vertex 2 crapped out, but I was using my Vertex 4 in my backup system until I replaced it 3 years go with a Samsung drive.

When I finally got an SSD, I used it as my OS drive, and ran my 1TB WD Blacks as data drives. Today, there are no HDDS drives in my system, just NVMe/SATA SSD drives. I dumped them 4 years ago. Only my NAS has HDD drives (4 x 6TB WD Red Pro drives in RAID 10).

iko22 · Nov 27, 2023

Thanks everyone for your contributions. Just an update, I finally decided to buy an MSI Spatium M461 4TB Gen4 card. Next week hopefully I shall migrate the OS to the drive. In the meantime I ran the CrystalDisk synthetic benchmark, and here are the results to share:

Spatium M461 in Motherboard's Gen3 slot (no Heatsink):

Here, I see temperature peaked at 59C.

Spatium M461 in Motherboard's Gen4 slot (with Motherboard's Heatsink installed):

Here, I see temperature peak at around 47-49C, ten degrees cooler than in the previous test, although the device was operating at around 2,000 MB/s reads/writes faster than the previous test. So, what's the conclusion? That the Heatsink makes a difference? Or, that doubling Storage Capacity makes no difference?

Incidentally, I also took a pic of the Idle temperature. Idle means no reads and no writes in this case:

This was temperature recorded when computer was first turned on. It can climb to 33C after the mobo warms up. This test was recorded for the Gen4 installation. The Gen3 results were very similar, only I forgot to take a picture before reinstalling the card in the Gen4 slot!

I knew before I purchased that the Spatium M461 is not going to be the fastest Gen4 card out there, just faster than any Gen3.