Windows Updates on 11 vs 10


Dch48

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Windows 11 is vastly better at doing the monthly updates than 10 is. I get the cumulative updates installed in 5 to 8 minutes. Every Win 10 machine is much slower at it. They all start installing the update and fairly quickly get to 100% but then sit there for about 3-5 minutes before reverting back to 17%, quickly hitting 20, sitting for a few minutes, jumping to 44, sitting again, jumping to 74, sitting again for a couple of minutes and then slowly climbing back to 100% where it sits again for a minute or 3 before finally saying a restart is needed. The cumulative updating process takes a good 25 minutes or more.
 

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I don’t think there’s a lot of content in the 11 CU updates at present
The Dev flights take way longer
 

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If the 25 Minutes is an issue

It's normal for updates to take longer over time, the simple fact is that Microsoft are often conservative so add new code without removing the old code that used to handle the tasks. This then means that subsequent updates also have to clean up the old code, (although I think that sometimes MS forgets about it until it starts to cause issues

What you probably need is a fresh install, I know It can be in business where a single tech has to manage multiple systems

What we used to do is create a new image every six Months or so and use this to update all the user systems to a build from a later date - It meant that all users had a common baseline so were easier to maintain, It also was a good way to clear the detritus of use, and speed things up generally
 

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Is there a facility to stop or schedule windows update while using ethernet in insider preview?
 

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Is there a facility to stop or schedule windows update while using ethernet in insider preview?
What is point of being on Insider if you do not accept updates - Insider builds have built in time-bombs if you do not update.
 

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LVGandhi

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What is point of being on Insider if you do not accept updates - Insider builds have built in time-bombs if you do not update.
Sorry. May be I was not clear. I said as in Windows 10 home, I would like to update at my convenient time. Hence my question.
 

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Not just Updates everything is better in 11, having used it for a few months now
 

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CornishRattler

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Not just Updates everything is better in 11, having used it for a few months now
Agreed. I don’t think I’ve gone to my W10 machine in a good while
 

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Agreed. I don’t think I’ve gone to my W10 machine in a good while
In the end I changed all 3 of mine to 11, still got the incompatible machine on 10 but that is so slow. BTW got much rain down there? It's bucketing down here in the New Forest
 

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    32GB
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    Geforce RTX 2080 Super
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    1920x1080
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    C: Samsung 2TB P981A
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Is there a facility to stop or schedule windows update while using ethernet in insider preview?

....as in Windows 10 home, I would like to update at my convenient time.

Even Insider builds should have a 'Pause updates' option in Windows Update in both Home and Pro. You don't have to wait the full 7 days, you can resume updates any time that's convenient.

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    AMD Athlon Silver 3050U
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    8GB
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    fully 'Windows 11 ready' laptop. Windows 10 C: partition migrated from my old unsupported 'main machine' then upgraded to 11. A test migration ran Insider builds for 2 months. When 11 was released on 5th October it was re-imaged back to 10 and was offered the upgrade in Windows Update on 20th October.


    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, Windows 11 Pro.
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    Dell Lattitude E4310
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    500GB HDD
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    unsupported machine: Legacy bios, MBR, TPM 1.2, upgraded from W10 to W11 using W10/W11 hybrid install media workaround.


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In the end I changed all 3 of mine to 11, still got the incompatible machine on 10 but that is so slow. BTW got much rain down there? It's bucketing down here in the New Forest
Oh yeah, it's absolutely pi$$ing down. Has been since about 9 last night. Took the dogs out earlier, they enjoyed more than me for sure
 

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    CPU
    AMD Ryzen™ 9 5900HX
    Memory
    32GB
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Haydon

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If the 25 Minutes is an issue

It's normal for updates to take longer over time, the simple fact is that Microsoft are often conservative so add new code without removing the old code that used to handle the tasks. This then means that subsequent updates also have to clean up the old code, (although I think that sometimes MS forgets about it until it starts to cause issues

What you probably need is a fresh install, I know It can be in business where a single tech has to manage multiple systems

What we used to do is create a new image every six Months or so and use this to update all the user systems to a build from a later date - It meant that all users had a common baseline so were easier to maintain, It also was a good way to clear the detritus of use, and speed things up generally

Wow, I better consider the 25 minutes a non-issue :(
 

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Dch48

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If the 25 Minutes is an issue

It's normal for updates to take longer over time, the simple fact is that Microsoft are often conservative so add new code without removing the old code that used to handle the tasks. This then means that subsequent updates also have to clean up the old code, (although I think that sometimes MS forgets about it until it starts to cause issues

What you probably need is a fresh install, I know It can be in business where a single tech has to manage multiple systems

What we used to do is create a new image every six Months or so and use this to update all the user systems to a build from a later date - It meant that all users had a common baseline so were easier to maintain, It also was a good way to clear the detritus of use, and speed things up generally
A fresh install on 5 different machines? No, I believe it is a Windows 10 issue that was fixed in 11.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Home
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom built
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 5 5600X
    Motherboard
    MSI B550-A Pro
    Memory
    16 GB DDR4-3200
    Graphics Card(s)
    PowerColor Red Devil Radeon RX 6600XT with 8GB GDDR6
    Sound Card
    Realtek integrated
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Acer Nitro 24" RG241Y 144hz refresh rate
    Screen Resolution
    1920 X 1080
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 860 QVO 1 TB SATA SSD
    Seagate Barracuda 1 TB HDD
    PSU
    LEPA B650 650 watt
    Case
    Enermax Coenus
    Cooling
    Cooler Master Hyper T4 air
    Keyboard
    CM Storm Devastator
    Mouse
    E-Blue Cobra Jr.
    Internet Speed
    100mbs
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge Chromium
    Antivirus
    Microsoft Defender
    Other Info
    Optical Drives: LG DVD-RW and Pioneer BluRay/ DVD burner
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Asus ROG Zephyrus G14
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 9 6900HS
    Motherboard
    Asus board (GA402RK)
    Memory
    16 GB DDR5-4800
    Graphics card(s)
    Integrated Radeon 680M and discrete Radeon RX 6800S with 8GB GDDR6
    Sound Card
    Integrated Realtek with Dolby Atmos
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Laptop screen 14" WQXGA, IPS, 120hz refresh rate
    Screen Resolution
    2560 X 1600
    Hard Drives
    1TB PCIe Gen 4 SSD (Micron)
    PSU
    Battery power and Asus power brick/adapter. Also has USB-C charging
    Case
    Laptop
    Cooling
    Laptop fans in vapor chamber
    Mouse
    Touchpad and Omoton bluetooth mouse
    Keyboard
    Built in backlit
    Internet Speed
    100mbps
    Browser
    Edge Chromium
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    Microsoft Defender

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Perhaps one way of looking at the issue is this: an office building gets cleaned professionally, my home gets cleaned only amateurishly by yours truly, but I prefer to live at home than in an office building (y)
 

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Hi,
I pretty much stopped checking for updates every month when MS started auto downloading and installing them
That was a long time ago and 11 has not changed.

I did just update
Last time was after I upgraded from win-10 on 11-14-2021
Only thing that ever takes 25 minutes even on win-10 is creation and verifying the system images.

I haven't installed any on 10 yet but I typically don't update until I feel like it in 11 case about three months lol
 

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    Trident-Z Royal 4000c16 2x16gb & Trident-Z 3600c16 4x8gb & 3200c14 4x8gb
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    D450 x2 & 1 Test bench in cherry Entertainment center
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