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Yes , my machine has the same problem !
Any idea HOW (?) to fix this upgrade to 22H2.............?
VHDX files and Dism.exe /ApplyImage followed by updating bootloader via bcdboot.exe.

If you fail on CPU simply create a VM with "Virtual CPU" that passes the tests, do your updates , save and then restore to real machine via Macrium or whatever, Update bootloader as well via bcdboot.exe

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" VHDX files and Dism.exe /ApplyImage "....................??
Can you , please, explain HOW (?) this works ?
 

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Yes , my machine has the same problem !
Any idea HOW (?) to fix this upgrade to 22H2.............?
My approach right now is to just sit tight until 22H2 actually comes out in the fall. I'm sure there will be plenty of suggestions, just like before...... some easier than others.
 

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plenty of suggestions,
Hanging tight is the best approach. As always, smart folks will come up with ways to circumvent Microsoft's restrictions. But IMO, one of these days it can't be done any more. Maybe with 22H2, maybe not. The only reason the workarounds work is because MS is allowing them to work. MS can lock this OS down tighter than a jug any time they want to.
 

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Hanging tight is the best approach. As always, smart folks will come up with ways to circumvent Microsoft's restrictions. But IMO, one of these days it can't be done any more. Maybe with 22H2, maybe not. The only reason the workarounds work is because MS is allowing them to work. MS can lock this OS down tighter than a jug any time they want to.
If so , my Win11-adventure is over , have to stay at the last working version............... :cool:
 

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Wife's PC was not compatible for CPU so it shows RedReason as CpuFms. All other conditions met including TPM 2.0 etc. As the processor was quite old (G3450) decided to do a hardware upgrade with new MB, processor and memory. All working fine now but the registry entry still has the RedReason set. Did not do a re-install of Windows 11.

Anyone know how to correct this without doing a clean install?
 

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@RFS If I were you I would begin a new thread about this issue in the Hardware section of the forum to get attention. IMO the reason is because you did not do a clean install using a standard iso with no altercations. The install process can see that all requirements are met for 11. This is just another reason to clean install when major components in a system are changed (and you changed a lot) The hardware guys may have a suggestion whether or not the registry value can be arbitrarily changed or if something else needs to be done.
 
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@RFS If I were you I would begin a new thread about this issue in the Hardware section of the forum to get attention. IMO the reason is because you did not do a clean install using a standard iso with no altercations. The install process can see that all requirements are met for 11. This is just another reason to clean install when major components in a system are changed (and you changed a lot) The hardware guys may have a suggestion whether or not the registry value can be arbitrarily changed or if something else needs to be done.

Yeah - looks like a clean install is needed. Thought I might get away with a repair install, but when I try to mount the ISO image on the second drive, the mount itself fails with BSOD of APC_INDEX_MISMATCH.

Wonder how folks who make smaller changes to become compliant will fare. For example, increasing disk space, activating
TPM etc.
 

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I mentioned in another thread that I updated my old Dell laptop using a 22621.x ISO and after the update, no Windows Updates would work anymore. So, there is more to it than just forcing the 22H2 install on an old PC.
 

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I mentioned in another thread that I updated my old Dell laptop using a 22621.x ISO and after the update, no Windows Updates would work anymore. So, there is more to it than just forcing the 22H2 install on an old PC.
Thanks for posting that.. very informative. I'm not on an insider track, but if what you experienced on your laptop holds true across the board for other unsupported pc's trying to run 22H2, then indeed..... it doesn't bode well.
 

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Thanks for posting that.. very informative. I'm not on an insider track, but if what you experienced on your laptop holds true across the board for other unsupported pc's trying to run 22H2, then indeed..... it doesn't bode well.
Updates work fine on my Thinkpad T61 - no compatibilities in the hardware.

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My approach right now is to just sit tight until 22H2 actually comes out in the fall. I'm sure there will be plenty of suggestions, just like before...... some easier than others.
I suspect 22H2 may be released sooner than you expect. My System One has already run the compatibility checks for 22H2 and populated the NI22H2 key with the results - fully compatible (same as it was for CO21H2, the initial release of Win11)

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I suspect 2
 

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    fully 'Windows 11 ready' laptop. Windows 10 C: partition migrated from my old unsupported 'main machine' then upgraded to 11. A test migration ran Insider builds for 2 months. When 11 was released on 5th October it was re-imaged back to 10 and was offered the upgrade in Windows Update on 20th October. Windows Update offered the 22H2 Feature Update on 20th September 2022.

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    unsupported machine: Legacy bios, MBR, TPM 1.2, upgraded from W10 to W11 using W10/W11 hybrid install media workaround. In-place upgrade to 22H2 using ISO and a workaround.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, Windows 11 Pro.

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 4GB RAM, 128GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro 22H2 Insider Release Preview as a native boot vhdx.

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Anyone know how to correct this without doing a clean install?
The NI22H2 key was not pushed to you by Microsoft, it is the results from your Windows running its own compatibility checks. If you delete the whole NI22H2 key then the checks will run again shortly, and this time it should say you are good to go.
 

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    fully 'Windows 11 ready' laptop. Windows 10 C: partition migrated from my old unsupported 'main machine' then upgraded to 11. A test migration ran Insider builds for 2 months. When 11 was released on 5th October it was re-imaged back to 10 and was offered the upgrade in Windows Update on 20th October. Windows Update offered the 22H2 Feature Update on 20th September 2022.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, Windows 11 Pro.

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 4GB RAM, 128GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro 22H2 Insider Release Preview as a native boot vhdx.
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    unsupported machine: Legacy bios, MBR, TPM 1.2, upgraded from W10 to W11 using W10/W11 hybrid install media workaround. In-place upgrade to 22H2 using ISO and a workaround.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, Windows 11 Pro.

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 4GB RAM, 128GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro 22H2 Insider Release Preview as a native boot vhdx.

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I was pretty sure I am eligible for the upgrade, but I had to check just in case. Good to go. :)
 

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I updated my old Dell laptop using a 22621.x ISO and after the update, no Windows Updates would work anymore. So, there is more to it than just forcing the 22H2 install on an old PC.
Are you an Insider? If not that may be why you don't get updates. Once 22H2 gets a public release it should get the public updates, just as 21H2 does now on any unsupported device.
hanks for posting that.. very informative. I'm not on an insider track, but if what you experienced on your laptop holds true across the board for other unsupported pc's trying to run 22H2, then indeed..... it doesn't bode well.
Updates work fine on my Thinkpad T61 - no compatibilities in the hardware.
I concur with Superfly. I have 22H2 running on a Lenovo Yoga 11e that fails compatibility on three counts, an old CPU, no TPM at all, and a Legacy BIOS/MBR install. You can't get more incompatible than that.....

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Despite that it gets every new update through Windows Update.

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I have however taken the precaution of enroling it in the Insider Beta channel.
 

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    fully 'Windows 11 ready' laptop. Windows 10 C: partition migrated from my old unsupported 'main machine' then upgraded to 11. A test migration ran Insider builds for 2 months. When 11 was released on 5th October it was re-imaged back to 10 and was offered the upgrade in Windows Update on 20th October. Windows Update offered the 22H2 Feature Update on 20th September 2022.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, Windows 11 Pro.

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 4GB RAM, 128GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro 22H2 Insider Release Preview as a native boot vhdx.
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    unsupported machine: Legacy bios, MBR, TPM 1.2, upgraded from W10 to W11 using W10/W11 hybrid install media workaround. In-place upgrade to 22H2 using ISO and a workaround.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, Windows 11 Pro.

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 4GB RAM, 128GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro 22H2 Insider Release Preview as a native boot vhdx.

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Updates work fine on my Thinkpad T61 - no compatibilities in the hardware.
Cumulative updates should work fine.

If you have a RedReason set in the NI22H2 key what you almost certainly won't see being offered in Windows Update on an unsupported device currently running Win11 21H2 is the Feature Update to 22H2 once it gets its public launch. If you want to upgrade then you'd have to do an in-place upgrade yourself with a workaround to get past the compatibility checks. After thast it should get all the updates as normal.
 

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System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Aspire 3 A315-23
    CPU
    AMD Athlon Silver 3050U
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Radeon Graphics
    Monitor(s) Displays
    laptop screen
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768 native resolution, up to 2560x1440 with Radeon Virtual Super Resolution
    Hard Drives
    1TB Samsung EVO 870 SSD
    Browser
    Edge, Firefox
    Antivirus
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    fully 'Windows 11 ready' laptop. Windows 10 C: partition migrated from my old unsupported 'main machine' then upgraded to 11. A test migration ran Insider builds for 2 months. When 11 was released on 5th October it was re-imaged back to 10 and was offered the upgrade in Windows Update on 20th October. Windows Update offered the 22H2 Feature Update on 20th September 2022.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, Windows 11 Pro.

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 4GB RAM, 128GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro 22H2 Insider Release Preview as a native boot vhdx.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Lattitude E4310
    CPU
    i5 M 520
    Motherboard
    0T6M8G
    Memory
    4GB
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768
    Hard Drives
    500GB HDD
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    unsupported machine: Legacy bios, MBR, TPM 1.2, upgraded from W10 to W11 using W10/W11 hybrid install media workaround. In-place upgrade to 22H2 using ISO and a workaround.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, Windows 11 Pro.

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 4GB RAM, 128GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro 22H2 Insider Release Preview as a native boot vhdx.

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Thanks for clarifying things Bree. As far as performance on your Lenovo Yoga, are you seeing any difference between 22H2 and 21H2?
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11/Linux Mint
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Optiplex 960
    CPU
    Intel Core 2 Duo CPU E8400 @ 3.00 GHz x 2
    Memory
    8 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller
    Monitor(s) Displays
    HP x22LED
    Hard Drives
    Crucial 250 GB SSD

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