OS debloater or different program

Gridmstr75 · Feb 17, 2024

Hi again, getting acquainted win11 currently.
I have question about optimizing win 11 with my current hardware which mostly is new oldest part is my GPU ( Powercolor Amd radeon RX6700xt) latest drivers installed 24.1.1 software: Adrenalin edition. I have noticed sometimes my mouse and keyboard strokes will lag a lot this has occured on previous PC's i hope this is not because of my GPU which i think it is because when i install the new drivers and do a factory reset the issue seems fixed. I currently switched form RAZER kb and mouse to steel series that i had on another system with no issues - the razer synapse software 3 would cause issue with lag , input lag and system instalbilty so i gave up on razer products and switched to Steel series but again with SS kb and mouse the lag occured. i installed the latest video drivers and did a factory reset within the installer and its seems fine now.

However is there a way to test - benchmark app or other to test my GPU for hardware related issues (instability) i.e. IC or other component failure without having proper tools Oscope , microscope test equipment?

Also are there Debloater apps that help maximize (optimize) win11 without a lot of intervention into the registry or file system by manual changes?

Last point is i have DDR5 ram @ 64gb in the Bios for my MB - evga classifed what can i change in there to use max freq , currently CPU z shows DRAM freq as 2199.5 MHZ ?

thank you for further assistance - advice and insight.

FreeBooter · Feb 17, 2024

Use a debloater script to remove all unnecessary programs in Windows 10 and 11.

Below is the list of test and suggestions you might go through.

If new device drivers or system services have been added recently, try removing or updating them. Try to determine what changed in the system that caused the new bug check code to appear.
Look in Device Manager to see if any devices are marked with an exclamation point (!), which indicates a problem. Review the events log displayed in the properties for any faulting device driver. Try to update the related driver.
Check the System Log in Event Viewer for additional error messages that might help pinpoint the device or driver that is causing the error. Look for critical errors in the system log that occurred in the same time window as the blue screen.
If you recently added hardware to the system, try removing or replacing it. Or check with the manufacturer to see if any patches are available.
Install Windows updates.
If you are overclocking (pushing the components beyond their design) you should revert to default at least until the crashing is solved. If you don't know what it is you probably are not overclocking.
Use SpeedFan to monitor temperatures in computers, overheating can cause BSOD.
Use Memtest86+ disc to check system memory's (RAM's) for errors.
Use CrystalDiskInfo to check SMART health report of the hard disk drive (HDD).

Open the Command Prompt with administrative privileges and execute bellow commands one at a time.

Code:

Dism /online /cleanup-image /restorehealth



Sfc /scannow


Chkdsk C: /f

TairikuOkami · Feb 17, 2024

Gridmstr75 said:
Also are there Debloater apps that help maximize (optimize) win11 without a lot of intervention into the registry

Disabling AMD's bloatware could help

Code:

schtasks /DELETE /TN "AMDInstallLauncher" /f
schtasks /DELETE /TN "AMDInstallUEP" /f
schtasks /DELETE /TN "AMDLinkUpdate" /f
schtasks /DELETE /TN "AMDRyzenMasterSDKTask" /f

rem AMD Crash Defender Driver
sc config amdfendr start= disabled

rem AMD Crash Defender Driver
sc config amdfendrmgr start= disabled

rem AMD Crash Defender Service
sc config "AMD Crash Defender Service" start= disabled

rem AMD External Events Utility
sc config "AMD External Events Utility" start= disabled

rem AMD Link Controller Emulation
sc config AMDXE start= disabled

rem AMD PSP Driver
sc config amdpsp start= disabled

rem AMD User Experience Program Data Uploader
sc config "AUEPLauncher" start= disabled

Disabling Defender's services might do the trick, note that installing 3rd party AV does not disable Defender anymore!

Gridmstr75 · Feb 17, 2024

TairikuOkami said:

Disabling AMD's bloatware could help

Code:

schtasks /DELETE /TN "AMDInstallLauncher" /f
schtasks /DELETE /TN "AMDInstallUEP" /f
schtasks /DELETE /TN "AMDLinkUpdate" /f
schtasks /DELETE /TN "AMDRyzenMasterSDKTask" /f

rem AMD Crash Defender Driver
sc config amdfendr start= disabled

rem AMD Crash Defender Driver
sc config amdfendrmgr start= disabled

rem AMD Crash Defender Service
sc config "AMD Crash Defender Service" start= disabled

rem AMD External Events Utility
sc config "AMD External Events Utility" start= disabled

rem AMD Link Controller Emulation
sc config AMDXE start= disabled

rem AMD PSP Driver
sc config amdpsp start= disabled

rem AMD User Experience Program Data Uploader
sc config "AUEPLauncher" start= disabled

Disabling Defender's services might do the trick, note that installing 3rd party AV does not disable Defender anymore!

I have bitdefender installed total security so basically the AV engine for windows defender is not disabled?

Gridmstr75 · Feb 17, 2024

FreeBooter said:
Use a debloater script to remove all unnecessary programs in Windows 10 and 11.

Below is the list of test and suggestions you might go through.

If new device drivers or system services have been added recently, try removing or updating them. Try to determine what changed in the system that caused the new bug check code to appear.

Look in Device Manager to see if any devices are marked with an exclamation point (!), which indicates a problem. Review the events log displayed in the properties for any faulting device driver. Try to update the related driver.

Check the System Log in Event Viewer for additional error messages that might help pinpoint the device or driver that is causing the error. Look for critical errors in the system log that occurred in the same time window as the blue screen.

If you recently added hardware to the system, try removing or replacing it. Or check with the manufacturer to see if any patches are available.

Install Windows updates.

If you are overclocking (pushing the components beyond their design) you should revert to default at least until the crashing is solved. If you don't know what it is you probably are not overclocking.

Use SpeedFan to monitor temperatures in computers, overheating can cause BSOD.

Use Memtest86+ disc to check system memory's (RAM's) for errors.

Use CrystalDiskInfo to check SMART health report of the hard disk drive (HDD).

Open the Command Prompt with administrative privileges and execute bellow commands one at a time.

Code:

Dism /online /cleanup-image /restorehealth Sfc /scannow Chkdsk C: /f

If you are overclocking (pushing the components beyond their design) you should revert to default at least until the crashing is solved. If you don't know what it is you probably are not overclocking.

I am not currently OC the mb at all - i just want to know how or a guide to change the RAM speed freq to gain more speed from the DDR5 ram i know base freq is set but i want to pull more outta of it.

Gridmstr75 · Feb 17, 2024

Gridmstr75 said:
If you are overclocking (pushing the components beyond their design) you should revert to default at least until the crashing is solved. If you don't know what it is you probably are not overclocking.

I am not currently OC the mb at all - i just want to know how or a guide to change the RAM speed freq to gain more speed from the DDR5 ram i know base freq is set but i want to pull more outta of it.

can you recommend a good Debloater script tool ? i see there are many.. thanks for all the info

glasskuter · Feb 17, 2024

Gridmstr75 said:
are there Debloater apps that help maximize (optimize) win11

At your own risk.

Django · Feb 17, 2024

first thing after installing win10/11 i always do is uninstall all apps i dont want and download shutup10 and use default settings. Done. PC clean.

TairikuOkami · Feb 18, 2024

Gridmstr75 said:
I have bitdefender installed total security so basically the AV engine for windows defender is not disabled?

No. You can use Process Explorer - Sysinternals and search Defender to see running services.

antspants · Feb 18, 2024

Gridmstr75 said:
can you recommend a good Debloater script tool ? i see there are many.. thanks for all the info

Debloating is fine, but before you get carried away with complicated (or not so complicated) scripts, I’d start simple with Revo Uninstaller and get rid of all the apps you don’t want. It might just be enough for you.

Revo Uninstaller Free

Download Revo Uninstaller Free helps you to uninstall software and remove unwanted programs easily. Remove all uninstall leftovers and traces

www.revouninstaller.com

jimbo45 · Feb 18, 2024

This seems to be a "Risk to reward" ratio -- if you want Maximum Windows performance try using the free / trial of Windows 2025 server and it's fun turning it into a very fast work station. Servers are lean and mean by design.

I'm not really sure how much better windows 11 performance you could get -- so long as not too many unnecessary services are started the amount of installed stuff doesn't really alter performance hugely even if at all.

In over 25 years of using Windows the biggest impediments to performance I've found was usually poor Disks (I/O subsystem) and poor graphics-- Disks are infinitely better with SSD's and NVME's these days as well as improvements in graphics,

Of course whatever system you have there should be enough RAM and not too many running concurrent applications. Almost any modern CPU will be more than sufficient for around 90% of domestic users -- for extreme gamers there's loads of specialized GPU's now.

As for the OS itself -- Linux is usually loads more efficient - but then you need to install it yourself - usually via the command line and avoid typical "automated" installs as those also install a load of bloat.

Actually the latest version of Windows 11 seems to run pretty decently on modern hardware --OK if you use the latest insider builds expect a few glitches now and then or find some program doesn't work. I'm by no means a Windows expert but I've usually found tinkering around often hoses it up -- Linux -you get the source code and a lot of packages you get the source from github and can compile it for your own machine. Windows is a closed system so I wouldn't even be able to even know how to start that process.

cheers
jimbo

neves · Feb 18, 2024

Gridmstr75 said:
However is there a way to test - benchmark app or other to test my GPU for hardware related issues (instability) i.e. IC or other component failure without having proper tools Oscope , microscope test equipment?

Most common recommendations for GPU stress (testing stability) - are usually: UNIGINE Benchmarks and 3DMark - The Gamer's Benchmark (you can get the basic version on Steam). Mainly because this GPU stress tests (or benchmarking tools - if you will) - are closer to actual GPU use in demanding tasks (as it's the case with some Games). On the other hand, there's also a tool more extreme like FurMark Downloads - which is actually more capable as a GPU stress toll - BUT - compared to the previous 2 (and others alike) - you can't/shouldn't Furmark running without paying attention to its progress - since in can burn your GPU (the thermal throttle safety features - don't always triggered fast enough as it's the case with a CPU). That beings said - also run GPU-Z: TechPowerUp - and keep an eye on the temperatures while it's running - if it gets close to 100*C or higher - Stop Furkmark.

Windows BSOD (black/blue screen of death) - is also a safety feature which gets triggered by software or hardware instability/issues. You don't need hardware tools to test a GPU - if you don't have actual hardware issues (voltages issues are hard to miss - since you also have Hardware and BIOS level safety feature - which prevent it from power-up and cause further destruction while detecting unstable voltage values - be it lower or higher than expected). If the issue is more subtle - as it can be the case with a bulging/swollen capacitor it's just a matter of time - but can still trigger a BSOD. Less common this days. The system can also run with some VRAM issues - if within functional range - but again, the screen artifacts would be hard to miss.

Input lag related issues - can be diagnosed with a troubleshooting app like XPerf which is part of Windows Performance Analyzer Windows Performance Analyzer - Official app in the Microsoft Store but it's not basic user friendly (or even advanced windows user friendly). Thus, many prefer a 3rd party tool like: Resplendence Software - LatencyMon: suitability checker for real-time audio and other tasks - which is more user friendly for measuring input lag - tho, it can be confusing at determining the actual cause. Like pointing to wdf01000.sys - but that's the Windows Driver Framework, so... sure - a driver is causing input lag - but which in particular? Same can be said about ACPI.sys - where driver updates are a rare thing - not that they could help with input lag - caused by Power Saving Features (unless you disable this features by switch to a High Performance Power plan - input is lag is a common side affect of lowering and increasing power - depending on usage).

As for mouse and keyboard - there's dozens of tests for that (just google for mouse/keyboard tests) - where the main cause for input lag is usually CPU affinity. Tho, since you have a mouse and keyboard - intended for gaming - their specific/dedicated drivers usually solve this (set a higher priority for Mouse/Keyboard to reduce input lag). Then again, could also be as simple - as having the mouse/keyboard plugged in a less capable USB port. The next tool: USB Device Tree Viewer - shows which USB ports have the highest speed.

Input lag (latency issue) - can be a rabbit whole. Even if the answer to a specific issue - can be quite simple.... it's not always that easy to find (the main culprit and the right solution for that). Maybe the following video can help in that regard:

...since it covers multiple possible causes and solutions to that.

Gridmstr75 said:
Also are there Debloater apps that help maximize (optimize) win11 without a lot of intervention into the registry or file system by manual changes?

Every Windows Debloater is just a GUI (graphical user interface) or an automated script - which changes Windows settings - be it by disabling or removing Windows apps and features - and all that is tied to Windows Registry. Even a portable app - registers some registry values to be able to function - let alone integrated Windows features. If you're looking for something on the safer side (even does a backup of Windows previous stated - before applying the settings in question) - the next app can be good enough for that: O&O ShutUp10++ – Free antispy tool for Windows 10 and 11

cereberus · Feb 18, 2024

Its funny how all the debloater scripts fail to do the one thing they all purport to to do i.e. increase performance.

All one has to do is stop apps running in the backround.

I have tested various debloating tools and none of them make more than than an infinitesimal performance improvement.

In other words spend a few minutes optimising a standard installation and ditch all these bs debloaters.

The more you prat around with these tools, the more you can end up with unexpected side effects e.g. update failures.

Gridmstr75 · Feb 18, 2024

antspants said:
Debloating is fine, but before you get carried away with complicated (or not so complicated) scripts, I’d start simple with Revo Uninstaller and get rid of all the apps you don’t want. It might just be enough for you.

Revo Uninstaller Free

Download Revo Uninstaller Free helps you to uninstall software and remove unwanted programs easily. Remove all uninstall leftovers and traces

www.revouninstaller.com

thanks i do have Revo uninstaller already - do not use apps like Advanced system care or Iobit products

Gridmstr75 · Feb 18, 2024

cereberus said:
Its funny how all the debloater scripts fail to do the one thing they all purport to to do i.e. increase performance.

All one has to do is stop apps running in the backround.

I have tested various debloating tools and none of them make more than than an infinitesimal performance improvement.

In other words spend a few minutes optimising a standard installation and ditch all these bs debloaters.

The more you prat around with these tools, the more you can end up with unexpected side effects e.g. update failures.

I agree .. i have always just harden my system since windows 10 and before with just manually intervention.

glasskuter · Feb 18, 2024

cereberus said:
The more you prat around with these tools, the more you can end up with unexpected side effects e.g. update failures.

Amen to that. Dependency is a real thing and Windows has gotten so complex I think we'll see even more of it. I 'm not saying I don't uninstall anything. I do but try to be very cautious about it and never would mass debloat all at once.

antspants · Feb 18, 2024

Gridmstr75 said:
thanks i do have Revo uninstaller already - do not use apps like Advanced system care or Iobit products

I wouldn’t use Advanced System Care or IOBit either.
The beauty of having at least two system image backups before you start attempting to do what you want to do is that after that, you can go hells bells. Just take it slow though is advisable. But I certainly aren’t going to sit here waving a bible at you shouting about devil apps.
However, @jimbo45 & @neves have offered some good stuff to consider.

Gridmstr75 · Feb 20, 2024

TairikuOkami said:

Disabling AMD's bloatware could help

Code:

schtasks /DELETE /TN "AMDInstallLauncher" /f
schtasks /DELETE /TN "AMDInstallUEP" /f
schtasks /DELETE /TN "AMDLinkUpdate" /f
schtasks /DELETE /TN "AMDRyzenMasterSDKTask" /f

rem AMD Crash Defender Driver
sc config amdfendr start= disabled

rem AMD Crash Defender Driver
sc config amdfendrmgr start= disabled

rem AMD Crash Defender Service
sc config "AMD Crash Defender Service" start= disabled

rem AMD External Events Utility
sc config "AMD External Events Utility" start= disabled

rem AMD Link Controller Emulation
sc config AMDXE start= disabled

rem AMD PSP Driver
sc config amdpsp start= disabled

rem AMD User Experience Program Data Uploader
sc config "AUEPLauncher" start= disabled

Disabling Defender's services might do the trick, note that installing 3rd party AV does not disable Defender anymore!

can you recommend good way to disable windows defender? Again i have Bitdefender total sec installed. ty