Win11 drivers are borking my laptop


Me262

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I come from an issue with Win 10 and Win 11 does the same problem.

Basically, as soon as internet is connected after fresh install, my laptop (MSI GL65 9SD) takes up to a minute to start and shutdown and over 30 seconds to detect any new USB peripherals (sticks, external hdd, phone).

This ONLY happens after Windows 11 connects to internet and starts downloading drivers.
- postponing windows updates STILL downloads drivers
-going into settings, system, about, and hardware (where device manager is) and selecting "do not automatically install drivers" STILL installs drivers and still creates the same issue.

Up until windows 11 connects to internet, my laptop starts and shutdown in seconds, and USB attachments are detected instantly as it should

PLEASE, how to stop windows 11 installing (and even downloading) ANY drivers? Certainly there is one that is not playing nice with the hardware in the MSI GL65 9SD
 

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  • OS
    Win11
Hello @Me262 and welcome to ElevenForum. :-)

This may be of some help...



I'm not sure, but there may be more to this problem than just driver downloads.



/edit

Weird. I remember the Messerschmidt Me262 plane from Microsoft Combat Flight Simulator - WWII Series (1999 game). :-)
 
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    Win 11 Home ♦♦♦22631.3447 ♦♦♦♦♦♦♦23H2
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    PC/Desktop
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    Built by Ghot® [May 2020]
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 7 3700X
    Motherboard
    Asus Pro WS X570-ACE (BIOS 4702)
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    G.Skill (F4-3200C14D-16GTZKW)
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    EVGA RTX 2070 (08G-P4-2171-KR)
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    Realtek ALC1220P / ALC S1220A
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    Dell U3011 30"
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    2560 x 1600
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    2x Samsung 860 EVO 500GB,
    WD 4TB Black FZBX - SATA III,
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    DRW-24B1ST CD/DVD Burner
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    PC Power & Cooling 750W Quad EPS12V
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    Windows XP Pro 32bit w/SP3
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    PC/Desktop
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    Built by Ghot® (not in use)
    CPU
    AMD Athlon 64 X2 5000+ (OC'd @ 3.2Ghz)
    Motherboard
    ASUS M2N32-SLI Deluxe Wireless Edition
    Memory
    TWIN2X2048-6400C4DHX (2 x 1GB, DDR2 800)
    Graphics card(s)
    EVGA 256-P2-N758-TR GeForce 8600GT SSC
    Sound Card
    Onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    ViewSonic G90FB Black 19" Professional (CRT)
    Screen Resolution
    up to 2048 x 1536
    Hard Drives
    WD 36GB 10,000rpm Raptor SATA
    Seagate 80GB 7200rpm SATA
    Lite-On LTR-52246S CD/RW
    Lite-On LH-18A1P CD/DVD Burner
    PSU
    PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750 Quad EPS12V
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    Generic Beige case, 80mm fans
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    ZALMAN 9500A 92mm CPU Cooler
    Mouse
    Logitech Optical M-BT96a
    Keyboard
    Logitech Classic Keybooard 200
    Internet Speed
    300/300
    Browser
    Firefox 3.x ??
    Antivirus
    Symantec (Norton)
    Other Info
    Still assembled, still runs. Haven't turned it on for 13 years?
Hello @Me262 and welcome to ElevenForum. :-)

This may be of some help...



I'm not sure, but there may be more to this problem than just driver downloads.
That's the problem. Unlike windows 7 where I could install reach driver one by one and figure out which one was the problem, in win 11(and 10) everything is batched together. My only option is to stop driver updates all together.

I can't find any other explanation why everything works fine until the laptop connects to the internet and that's when windows starts installing drivers. One of those drivers isn't playing with a hardware the laptop has, and it's causing very sluggish start and shutdown for windows and USB detection problem
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Win11
That's the problem. Unlike windows 7 where I could install reach driver one by one and figure out which one was the problem, in win 11(and 10) everything is batched together. My only option is to stop driver updates all together.

I can't find any other explanation why everything works fine until the laptop connects to the internet and that's when windows starts installing drivers. One of those drivers isn't playing with a hardware the laptop has, and it's causing very sluggish start and shutdown for windows and USB detection problem


Well, that tutorial will stop MS installing drivers haphazardly.
But... after a Windows Update... MS may turn the driver installation, back on.

In Winaero Tweaker (free), you can also disable MS's driver inclusion, with just a check box, if that's easier for you...


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But, as you mentioned... after Windows 7, Microsoft started playing silly buggers with drivers, too.



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More stuff, that may be of interest to you...




But as we recommend over and over... If you're gonna start Tweaking... use 3rd party backup software.
For example...





On both Ten Forums and Eleven Forum (same people), there's tutorials for... everything. :-)

 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Win 11 Home ♦♦♦22631.3447 ♦♦♦♦♦♦♦23H2
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Built by Ghot® [May 2020]
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 7 3700X
    Motherboard
    Asus Pro WS X570-ACE (BIOS 4702)
    Memory
    G.Skill (F4-3200C14D-16GTZKW)
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA RTX 2070 (08G-P4-2171-KR)
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC1220P / ALC S1220A
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Dell U3011 30"
    Screen Resolution
    2560 x 1600
    Hard Drives
    2x Samsung 860 EVO 500GB,
    WD 4TB Black FZBX - SATA III,
    WD 8TB Black FZBX - SATA III,
    DRW-24B1ST CD/DVD Burner
    PSU
    PC Power & Cooling 750W Quad EPS12V
    Case
    Cooler Master ATCS 840 Tower
    Cooling
    CM Hyper 212 EVO (push/pull)
    Keyboard
    Ducky DK9008 Shine II Blue LED
    Mouse
    Logitech Optical M-100
    Internet Speed
    300/300
    Browser
    Firefox (latest)
    Antivirus
    Bitdefender Internet Security
    Other Info
    Speakers: Klipsch Pro Media 2.1
  • Operating System
    Windows XP Pro 32bit w/SP3
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Built by Ghot® (not in use)
    CPU
    AMD Athlon 64 X2 5000+ (OC'd @ 3.2Ghz)
    Motherboard
    ASUS M2N32-SLI Deluxe Wireless Edition
    Memory
    TWIN2X2048-6400C4DHX (2 x 1GB, DDR2 800)
    Graphics card(s)
    EVGA 256-P2-N758-TR GeForce 8600GT SSC
    Sound Card
    Onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    ViewSonic G90FB Black 19" Professional (CRT)
    Screen Resolution
    up to 2048 x 1536
    Hard Drives
    WD 36GB 10,000rpm Raptor SATA
    Seagate 80GB 7200rpm SATA
    Lite-On LTR-52246S CD/RW
    Lite-On LH-18A1P CD/DVD Burner
    PSU
    PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750 Quad EPS12V
    Case
    Generic Beige case, 80mm fans
    Cooling
    ZALMAN 9500A 92mm CPU Cooler
    Mouse
    Logitech Optical M-BT96a
    Keyboard
    Logitech Classic Keybooard 200
    Internet Speed
    300/300
    Browser
    Firefox 3.x ??
    Antivirus
    Symantec (Norton)
    Other Info
    Still assembled, still runs. Haven't turned it on for 13 years?
That's the problem. Unlike windows 7 where I could install reach driver one by one and figure out which one was the problem, in win 11(and 10) everything is batched together. My only option is to stop driver updates all together.

I can't find any other explanation why everything works fine until the laptop connects to the internet and that's when windows starts installing drivers. One of those drivers isn't playing with a hardware the laptop has, and it's causing very sluggish start and shutdown for windows and USB detection problem
I can vouch that the registry fixes to disable or re-enable driver updates in @Ghot 's link work well. Download them and copy over to a flash drive. Try a fresh install and run the disable reg fix before connecting to the internet. It also survives a feature update.
 

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    Win 11 Pro & 🐥.
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    ASUS VivoBook
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    AMD Ryzen 7 3700U with Radeon Vega Mobile Gfx
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    ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. X509DA (FP5)
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    12GB
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    RX Vega 10 Graphics
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    Generic PnP Monitor (1920x1080@60Hz)
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    1920x1080@60Hz
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    Samsung SSD 970 EVO Plus 2TB NVMe 1.3
    Internet Speed
    25 Mbps
    Browser
    Edge
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    Defender
  • Operating System
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    Laptop
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    ACER NITRO
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 7 5800H / 3.2 GHz
    Motherboard
    CZ Scala_CAS (FP6)
    Memory
    32 GB DDR4 SDRAM 3200 MHz
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    NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 6 GB GDDR6 SDRAM
    Sound Card
    Realtek Audio. NVIDIA High Definition Audio
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    15.6" LED backlight 1920 x 1080 (Full HD) 144 Hz
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080 (Full HD)
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 970 Evo Plus 2TB NVMe M.2
    PSU
    180 Watt, 19.5 V
    Mouse
    Lenovo Bluetooth
    Internet Speed
    25 Mbps
    Browser
    Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
To block individual updates you must use Windows Update Show/Hide Tool or a similar utility such as Windows Automatic Updates Manager (WAU). You search for updates using the tool (BEFORE they are installed of course, otherwise they won't be available) and you get a list with all the available updates. You check the boxes in all the driver updates and any other updates you want to hide (block). I would use another computer (if possible), and go at computer/motherboard's manufacturer support site. I would download all drivers for Windows 11 or Windows 10 64-bit. Some manufacturers don't supply drivers for some devices for Windows 10/11 because Windows Update will handle them. I prefer to just download the Windows 8 or 7 64-bit drivers and install these instead of trusting Windows Update, so have a look there for any devices that were not in the Windows 11/10 list. After you have all the drivers downloaded copy to a USB flash drive and transfer them to your computer. Stay disconnected from the internet to make sure Windows Update won't interfere and start installing the drivers. If there is a chipset (platform) driver install that first. This installs almost all motherboard components except graphics, sound and network. All other devices depend on that, so it has to be first. Then proceed with the rest of the drivers. If you have a separate graphics card it is recommended to download the latest respective driver directly from nVidia/AMD which will enable all the features maximize performance and fives you access to the graphics control panel. Windows Update usually installs an outdated graphics driver without the control panel so you are stuck with the default settings and cannot tweak appearance and performance.

NOTE: After installing all drivers and restarting your computer, make sure to load the Show/Hide Tool or WAU. When the tool is loaded you can connect back to the internet but make sure you search for updates and hide (block) them as quick as possible before Windows Update has any chance to download any drivers and mess with your computer.
 

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System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 64-bit (build 22631.3374)
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Extensa 5630EZ
    CPU
    Mobile DualCore Intel Core 2 Duo T7250, 2000 MHz
    Motherboard
    Acer Extensa 5630
    Memory
    4GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Mobile Intel(R) GMA 4500M (Mobile 4 series)
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC268 @ Intel 82801IB ICH9 - High Definition Audio Controller
    Monitor(s) Displays
    1
    Screen Resolution
    1280x800
    Hard Drives
    Samsung SSD 850 EVO 250GB SATA Device (250 GB, SATA-III)
    Internet Speed
    VDSL 50 Mbps
    Browser
    MICROSOFT EDGE
    Antivirus
    WINDOWS DEFENDER
    Other Info
    Legacy MBR installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, no WDDM 2.0 graphics drivers, cannot get more unsupported ;) This is only my test laptop. I had installed Windows 11 here before upgrading my main PC. For my main PC I use everyday see my 2nd system specs.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro v23H2 (build 22631.3374)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom-built PC
    CPU
    Intel Core-i7 3770 3.40GHz s1155 (3rd generation)
    Motherboard
    Asus P8H61 s1155 ATX
    Memory
    2x Kingston Hyper-X Blu 8GB DDR3-1600
    Graphics card(s)
    Gainward NE5105T018G1-1070F (nVidia GeForce GTX 1050Ti 4GB GDDR5)
    Sound Card
    Realtek HD audio (ALC887)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia KDL-19L4000 19" LCD TV via VGA
    Screen Resolution
    1440x900 32-bit 60Hz
    Hard Drives
    Patriot Burst Elite 480GB SSD as system disk, Western Digital Caviar Purple 4TB SATA III (WD40PURZ) as second
    PSU
    Thermaltake Litepower RGB 550W Full Wired
    Case
    SUPERCASE MIDI-TOWER
    Cooling
    Stock Intel CPU Fan, 1x 8cm fan at the back
    Mouse
    Sunnyline OptiEye PS/2
    Keyboard
    Mitsumi 101-key PS/2
    Internet Speed
    100Mbps
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge, Mozilla Firefox
    Antivirus
    Microsoft Windows Defender
    Other Info
    Legacy BIOS (MBR) installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, WDDM 3.0 graphics drivers, WEI score 7.4
Thank you very much for your replies. I didn't ended up using the tools because my Laptop drivers are old (2019) and most of them don't even install from the MSI website. I managed to find Intel graphics, bluetooth and Wifi + nvidia drivers separately. But unsure where to get the correct firmware and other drivers, so in a way, I kind of want Windows 11 to install drivers, such as realtek sound, etc.

I DID manage to find out the driver that was messing up the laptop. It's the Realtek USB 2.0 Card Reader. Was showing up as USB2.0-CRW when it wasn't installed under "other devices". I connected the laptop quickly, and only left it to download and install a few drivers, and out of the 3 that managed to install, it was the Realtek Semiconductor Corp. - USB - 10.0.19041.31262, and that's when I started having the problems. I connected the dots with the USB problem, and once I disabled the Realtek USB 2.0 Card Reader in Device Manager, the sluggish start/shutdown and big delay when connecting a USB are gone. Only disabling works, otherwise by uninstalling, they get reinstalled again.

I find it funny that under System Properties - Hardware - Device Installation Settings it makes no difference selecting No for automatically downloading manufacturer's app, because driver updates still happen. Once I have more time I will definitely delve into the windows update show/hide to be able to manually download drivers
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Win11
I think you can download the card reader driver directly from Realtek, but I don't know where to look. The alternative is to use a driver tool such as Snappy Driver Installer to automatically find and install the driver for you. The full version is over 20GB and contains all the driver database, it is intended for Technicians. Download the Lite version which contains no drivers but can search and download only those relevant to your hardware. When the drivers are downloaded you will see a list of devices. The green text means there is no driver currently installed or the driver is not working. Update that without worries. The blue text means there is a newer driver. Avoid updating working devices, especially chipset drivers or you might get a BSOD or other issues. The red text (if any) means there is no driver in the database for that device (unknown device). I would select only the card reader from the list and update only that. Just in case you have issues again, enable System Restore (it is disabled by default) and make sure you create a restore point before using Snappy.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 64-bit (build 22631.3374)
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Extensa 5630EZ
    CPU
    Mobile DualCore Intel Core 2 Duo T7250, 2000 MHz
    Motherboard
    Acer Extensa 5630
    Memory
    4GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Mobile Intel(R) GMA 4500M (Mobile 4 series)
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC268 @ Intel 82801IB ICH9 - High Definition Audio Controller
    Monitor(s) Displays
    1
    Screen Resolution
    1280x800
    Hard Drives
    Samsung SSD 850 EVO 250GB SATA Device (250 GB, SATA-III)
    Internet Speed
    VDSL 50 Mbps
    Browser
    MICROSOFT EDGE
    Antivirus
    WINDOWS DEFENDER
    Other Info
    Legacy MBR installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, no WDDM 2.0 graphics drivers, cannot get more unsupported ;) This is only my test laptop. I had installed Windows 11 here before upgrading my main PC. For my main PC I use everyday see my 2nd system specs.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro v23H2 (build 22631.3374)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom-built PC
    CPU
    Intel Core-i7 3770 3.40GHz s1155 (3rd generation)
    Motherboard
    Asus P8H61 s1155 ATX
    Memory
    2x Kingston Hyper-X Blu 8GB DDR3-1600
    Graphics card(s)
    Gainward NE5105T018G1-1070F (nVidia GeForce GTX 1050Ti 4GB GDDR5)
    Sound Card
    Realtek HD audio (ALC887)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia KDL-19L4000 19" LCD TV via VGA
    Screen Resolution
    1440x900 32-bit 60Hz
    Hard Drives
    Patriot Burst Elite 480GB SSD as system disk, Western Digital Caviar Purple 4TB SATA III (WD40PURZ) as second
    PSU
    Thermaltake Litepower RGB 550W Full Wired
    Case
    SUPERCASE MIDI-TOWER
    Cooling
    Stock Intel CPU Fan, 1x 8cm fan at the back
    Mouse
    Sunnyline OptiEye PS/2
    Keyboard
    Mitsumi 101-key PS/2
    Internet Speed
    100Mbps
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge, Mozilla Firefox
    Antivirus
    Microsoft Windows Defender
    Other Info
    Legacy BIOS (MBR) installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, WDDM 3.0 graphics drivers, WEI score 7.4
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