Win11 drivers are borking my laptop

I come from an issue with Win 10 and Win 11 does the same problem.

Basically, as soon as internet is connected after fresh install, my laptop (MSI GL65 9SD) takes up to a minute to start and shutdown and over 30 seconds to detect any new USB peripherals (sticks, external hdd, phone).

This ONLY happens after Windows 11 connects to internet and starts downloading drivers.
- postponing windows updates STILL downloads drivers
-going into settings, system, about, and hardware (where device manager is) and selecting "do not automatically install drivers" STILL installs drivers and still creates the same issue.

Up until windows 11 connects to internet, my laptop starts and shutdown in seconds, and USB attachments are detected instantly as it should

PLEASE, how to stop windows 11 installing (and even downloading) ANY drivers? Certainly there is one that is not playing nice with the hardware in the MSI GL65 9SD

Hello @Me262 and welcome to ElevenForum.

This may be of some help...



I'm not sure, but there may be more to this problem than just driver downloads.



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Weird. I remember the Messerschmidt Me262 plane from Microsoft Combat Flight Simulator - WWII Series (1999 game).

Ghot said:

Hello @Me262 and welcome to ElevenForum.

This may be of some help...

Enable or Disable Include Drivers with Windows Updates in Windows 11 Tutorial

This tutorial will show you how to enable or disable including drivers with Windows Updates in Windows 10 and Windows 11. Windows Update will include drivers when available in Windows 11 by default. You can enable the Do not include drivers with Windows Updates policy to not include drivers...

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I'm not sure, but there may be more to this problem than just driver downloads.

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That's the problem. Unlike windows 7 where I could install reach driver one by one and figure out which one was the problem, in win 11(and 10) everything is batched together. My only option is to stop driver updates all together.

I can't find any other explanation why everything works fine until the laptop connects to the internet and that's when windows starts installing drivers. One of those drivers isn't playing with a hardware the laptop has, and it's causing very sluggish start and shutdown for windows and USB detection problem

Me262 said:

That's the problem. Unlike windows 7 where I could install reach driver one by one and figure out which one was the problem, in win 11(and 10) everything is batched together. My only option is to stop driver updates all together.

I can't find any other explanation why everything works fine until the laptop connects to the internet and that's when windows starts installing drivers. One of those drivers isn't playing with a hardware the laptop has, and it's causing very sluggish start and shutdown for windows and USB detection problem

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Well, that tutorial will stop MS installing drivers haphazardly.
But... after a Windows Update... MS may turn the driver installation, back on.

In Winaero Tweaker (free), you can also disable MS's driver inclusion, with just a check box, if that's easier for you...





But, as you mentioned... after Windows 7, Microsoft started playing silly buggers with drivers, too.






More stuff, that may be of interest to you...




But as we recommend over and over... If you're gonna start Tweaking... use 3rd party backup software.
For example...





On both Ten Forums and Eleven Forum (same people), there's tutorials for... everything.

Me262 said:

That's the problem. Unlike windows 7 where I could install reach driver one by one and figure out which one was the problem, in win 11(and 10) everything is batched together. My only option is to stop driver updates all together.

I can't find any other explanation why everything works fine until the laptop connects to the internet and that's when windows starts installing drivers. One of those drivers isn't playing with a hardware the laptop has, and it's causing very sluggish start and shutdown for windows and USB detection problem

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I can vouch that the registry fixes to disable or re-enable driver updates in @Ghot 's link work well. Download them and copy over to a flash drive. Try a fresh install and run the disable reg fix before connecting to the internet. It also survives a feature update.

To block individual updates you must use Windows Update Show/Hide Tool or a similar utility such as Windows Automatic Updates Manager (WAU). You search for updates using the tool (BEFORE they are installed of course, otherwise they won't be available) and you get a list with all the available updates. You check the boxes in all the driver updates and any other updates you want to hide (block). I would use another computer (if possible), and go at computer/motherboard's manufacturer support site. I would download all drivers for Windows 11 or Windows 10 64-bit. Some manufacturers don't supply drivers for some devices for Windows 10/11 because Windows Update will handle them. I prefer to just download the Windows 8 or 7 64-bit drivers and install these instead of trusting Windows Update, so have a look there for any devices that were not in the Windows 11/10 list. After you have all the drivers downloaded copy to a USB flash drive and transfer them to your computer. Stay disconnected from the internet to make sure Windows Update won't interfere and start installing the drivers. If there is a chipset (platform) driver install that first. This installs almost all motherboard components except graphics, sound and network. All other devices depend on that, so it has to be first. Then proceed with the rest of the drivers. If you have a separate graphics card it is recommended to download the latest respective driver directly from nVidia/AMD which will enable all the features maximize performance and fives you access to the graphics control panel. Windows Update usually installs an outdated graphics driver without the control panel so you are stuck with the default settings and cannot tweak appearance and performance.

NOTE: After installing all drivers and restarting your computer, make sure to load the Show/Hide Tool or WAU. When the tool is loaded you can connect back to the internet but make sure you search for updates and hide (block) them as quick as possible before Windows Update has any chance to download any drivers and mess with your computer.

Thank you very much for your replies. I didn't ended up using the tools because my Laptop drivers are old (2019) and most of them don't even install from the MSI website. I managed to find Intel graphics, bluetooth and Wifi + nvidia drivers separately. But unsure where to get the correct firmware and other drivers, so in a way, I kind of want Windows 11 to install drivers, such as realtek sound, etc.

I DID manage to find out the driver that was messing up the laptop. It's the Realtek USB 2.0 Card Reader. Was showing up as USB2.0-CRW when it wasn't installed under "other devices". I connected the laptop quickly, and only left it to download and install a few drivers, and out of the 3 that managed to install, it was the Realtek Semiconductor Corp. - USB - 10.0.19041.31262, and that's when I started having the problems. I connected the dots with the USB problem, and once I disabled the Realtek USB 2.0 Card Reader in Device Manager, the sluggish start/shutdown and big delay when connecting a USB are gone. Only disabling works, otherwise by uninstalling, they get reinstalled again.

I find it funny that under System Properties - Hardware - Device Installation Settings it makes no difference selecting No for automatically downloading manufacturer's app, because driver updates still happen. Once I have more time I will definitely delve into the windows update show/hide to be able to manually download drivers

I think you can download the card reader driver directly from Realtek, but I don't know where to look. The alternative is to use a driver tool such as Snappy Driver Installer to automatically find and install the driver for you. The full version is over 20GB and contains all the driver database, it is intended for Technicians. Download the Lite version which contains no drivers but can search and download only those relevant to your hardware. When the drivers are downloaded you will see a list of devices. The green text means there is no driver currently installed or the driver is not working. Update that without worries. The blue text means there is a newer driver. Avoid updating working devices, especially chipset drivers or you might get a BSOD or other issues. The red text (if any) means there is no driver in the database for that device (unknown device). I would select only the card reader from the list and update only that. Just in case you have issues again, enable System Restore (it is disabled by default) and make sure you create a restore point before using Snappy.